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ORIGINAL: sandslx

To all the Cali crew and anyone else I may have offended, I apologize for my comments. For those of you who do not know me, the passion for the sport got the best of me. I want to bring together a safer jet community, one that appreciates how fragile our position is in the modeling community. All it takes is one devastating event to impact all of us. One look at me and you will know I am not exactly the posterchild for safety. Accidents happen, I have to live with mine every day of my life. Are you willing to do the same?

Again, my apologizes to everyone.

Justin Sands
BVM rep
Team JR/Horizon

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ORIGINAL: uncljoe


Justin
SAFETY was not an ISSUE at at this jet rally ,We had a manned 4 wheel crash cart standing by with enough water/fire chemicals to put out almost any fire .Also informed the local Phoenix fire station that we might need their help (about 1.5 miles from the field) . The events only safey issue where the crash cart was used ,was to put out a fire was when a ELECTRIC jet went in.
Sun Valley Flyers Safety officer.
Joe Balabon

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ORIGINAL: sandslx

I want to bring together a safer jet community, one that appreciates how fragile our position is in the modeling community. All it takes is one devastating event to impact all of us. One look at me and you will know I am not exactly the posterchild for safety. Accidents happen, I have to live with mine every day of my life. Are you willing to do the same?

Again, my apologizes to everyone.

Justin Sands
BVM rep
Team JR/Horizon

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ORIGINAL: sandslx

Bla bla bla quack quack quack....You guys are a bunch of blow hard johny come latelys' in the jet community. Make no mistake If you cant build or maintain your own jet....you shouldnt have a waiver...period. I cant wait to see some of you South western Cali Valley Girls in action at Vegas. Ill bring an extra extinguisher for you non BVM clowns...or some wrenches whatever comes first.

Nice thread...talking like a bunch of wiggers on BET.

Justin Sands
BVM rep
Team JR/Horizon

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ORIGINAL: Mark Taylor

Joe,
It is not a reference to any event, anything, or anyone. It is a general apology to EVERYONE.

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ORIGINAL: quist
Sounds like spin.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Taylor

Joe,
It is not a reference to any event, anything, or anyone. It is a general apology to EVERYONE.

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ORIGINAL: David Searles


I, for one, tend to be quite forgiving of the occasional verbal faux pax, having committed a transgression or two in my time. However, had Justin ended his apology after the first sentence, no problem. My problem is his seeming attempt to somehow cloak his more objectionable comments under a mantle of his ''passion for the sport'' and ''a desire to bring together a safer jet community, one that appreciates how fragile our position is in the modeling community''.

Kindly make the connection between challenging another pilot to ''show up at Vegas so I can tell you face to face what I think of you'' to safety. What exactly does ''talking like a bunch of wiggers on BET'' have to do with how fragile our position is in the modeling community? I could go on but I'll stop there.

The point being this apology now looks more like the politician apologizing for cheating on his wife. Is he actually sorry he cheated on his wife, or just sorry he got caught cheating on his wife!

My 2 cents



David S

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ORIGINAL: David Searles

somehow cloak

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ORIGINAL: quist


So your Unprovoked rant on the SVJ thread was out of your concern for safety? Call me crazy, but I don't see it. Sounds like spin.

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ORIGINAL: arizonasun25

I say someone is making Justin apologize and this is his pathedic attempt.

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ORIGINAL: Nightwalker

Maaaan I tell ya, can't leave you guys for a second!

Short story time.

I've been a REP a couple times. Once way back when I was like 17 flying helicopters and then again about 10 years or so ago, once again flying helicopters. Both times, although there was a direct benefit to me by doing so, the first time because I couldn't afford the equipment and the second, so I could get expensive stuff cheaper. I chose to leave because I didn't like someone telling what to do, when and where to fly and in more modern times, what websites/forums to go on and what to say. I just felt it wasn't worth it, so from that point on I refused to be a Rep for anybody anymore because I like the freedom of being just me.

Now that being said, here is how I have seen a lot of what goes on here in the jet world from day 2 or 3. Let's just say that just maybe, all these guys that have said all kinds of different things were TOLD to do so by somebody, I dunno who, just someone, anyone in the line of hiearchy to the top guy(s) For whatever companies they are representing. (Everyone still with me here?) Ok; now suppose the top guy(s) have received a bit of misinformation about what really went down on whatever situation or no information at all. And in an effort to protect their hard earned reputation/market share/business prospects, whatever, react in self-defense. (a natural reaction in the fierce world of competition).

THEN

As the dust settles and more and more of the storie(s) make their way up to the top...........the top guy(s) begin to make their own interpretation as to what really is going on based off of everything the now know from everywhere. And now issue (back down through the chain of influence) a more benign response. What would that look like? I mean I dunno, I'm just saying. If you look at every major conflict that has occurred between major forces that involved human intervention mistakes have always been made on both sides, but at some point, there is always an opportunity to allow both sides to save face in some sort of way. Point of the story, look at the big picture and consider the fact that anything a Rep says, may not entirely be their view, or it may sometimes its really hard to tell so its only fair to give them a bit of leeway on the personal front, afterall, they know they are a Rep and who they are representing. And the natural reaction of just about all pilots who have experience model or full-size is to cover your wingman regardless of what he may have gotten into. Self defense of the buddy kind. Now I'm not saying that was the case here, that's just my story.

AND WE ALL KNOW

That's not the way it is in baseball, and YALL GOT KO'd Outta the whole series this year! :D

I really am painting right now on my little holiday drop cloth mat, and speaking of which, it's real close to the holidays and I know ya'll might want a few things being that we took your series entertainment away. So to make it up to ya's and kind of allow you all to save face for the Angels there, I'll offer you a one time freebie.................WHAT YOU GUYS WANT FOR CHRISTMAS! :D Go head, lemme know it's on me, I'm on a first name basis with Santa. ;)

B

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ORIGINAL: arizonasun25

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ORIGINAL: Hugh Heffner

Bryce, smoking pot and posting on RCU at the same time is really a bad idea.

Baseball, pumpkins, elves, Santa. *** does that have to do with anything.

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ORIGINAL: Nightwalker

Maaaan I tell ya, can't leave you guys for a second!

Short story time.

I've been a REP a couple times. Once way back when I was like 17 flying helicopters and then again about 10 years or so ago, once again flying helicopters. Both times, although there was a direct benefit to me by doing so, the first time because I couldn't afford the equipment and the second, so I could get expensive stuff cheaper. I chose to leave because I didn't like someone telling what to do, when and where to fly and in more modern times, what websites/forums to go on and what to say. I just felt it wasn't worth it, so from that point on I refused to be a Rep for anybody anymore because I like the freedom of being just me.

Now that being said, here is how I have seen a lot of what goes on here in the jet world from day 2 or 3. Let's just say that just maybe, all these guys that have said all kinds of different things were TOLD to do so by somebody, I dunno who, just someone, anyone in the line of hiearchy to the top guy(s) For whatever companies they are representing. (Everyone still with me here?) Ok; now suppose the top guy(s) have received a bit of misinformation about what really went down on whatever situation or no information at all. And in an effort to protect their hard earned reputation/market share/business prospects, whatever, react in self-defense. (a natural reaction in the fierce world of competition).

THEN

As the dust settles and more and more of the storie(s) make their way up to the top...........the top guy(s) begin to make their own interpretation as to what really is going on based off of everything the now know from everywhere. And now issue (back down through the chain of influence) a more benign response. What would that look like? I mean I dunno, I'm just saying. If you look at every major conflict that has occurred between major forces that involved human intervention mistakes have always been made on both sides, but at some point, there is always an opportunity to allow both sides to save face in some sort of way. Point of the story, look at the big picture and consider the fact that anything a Rep says, may not entirely be their view, or it may sometimes its really hard to tell so its only fair to give them a bit of leeway on the personal front, afterall, they know they are a Rep and who they are representing. And the natural reaction of just about all pilots who have experience model or full-size is to cover your wingman regardless of what he may have gotten into. Self defense of the buddy kind. Now I'm not saying that was the case here, that's just my story.

AND WE ALL KNOW

That's not the way it is in baseball, and YALL GOT KO'd Outta the whole series this year! :D

I really am painting right now on my little holiday drop cloth mat, and speaking of which, it's real close to the holidays and I know ya'll might want a few things being that we took your series entertainment away. So to make it up to ya's and kind of allow you all to save face for the Angels there, I'll offer you a one time freebie.................WHAT YOU GUYS WANT FOR CHRISTMAS! :D Go head, lemme know it's on me, I'm on a first name basis with Santa. ;)

B

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ORIGINAL: Nightwalker



Paint fumes Ron, I wasn't there,
:)

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