Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
01-18-2012 | 07:11 AM
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RE: Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
ORIGINAL: cmoulder
Matt,
Don't you have a secret electric project going on down there somewhere in the Jersey Skunkworks?
Matt,
Don't you have a secret electric project going on down there somewhere in the Jersey Skunkworks?
I could enter electric any time. I have Dave L and Dean P very close and these guys have all the answers I would ever need.
An electric twin for Pattern with counter rotators is one ticket around the contra's expense. Someone is working on such a project for certain. The concept affords all the benefits and also offers asymmetric thrust capability not possible with a contra...
I mean, how cool would it be to slave the motors to rudder? Knife edge loops would be done with the bottom motor driving and the top in reverse.... The M's bottom in last years P schedule would be NP
BUT that's really getting off the subject of YS and Petrol
01-18-2012 | 09:04 AM
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RE: Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
ORIGINAL: cmoulder
Dag,
I hadn't even seen that one yet! They're coming out with new stuff at a furious pace these days.
In Norway, what is the IC:Electric ratio in Pattern?
Dag,
I hadn't even seen that one yet! They're coming out with new stuff at a furious pace these days.
In Norway, what is the IC:Electric ratio in Pattern?
we had 5 competitions last year average 15 combatants and i think there was 1 or 2 in average that flew YS.
I have a brand new YS 170 CDI laying on the shelves only started it to verify the re-build to CDI.
Some reserchers at IBM has also come up with some new battery tech. Iam sorry i have no link.
Regards
01-18-2012 | 09:41 AM
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RE: Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
Anybody knows the percent of pilots in Japan flying electric in a typical contest?
Yes, IBM and US government labs are working on lithium air battery and and the energy density theorized is 1000 times more of what we have. If it plays out, e-powered plane can be in air for much longer, and we may not need multiple packs!
Little bit off the topic but I would assume YS is also watching the development in e-power segment?
Yes, IBM and US government labs are working on lithium air battery and and the energy density theorized is 1000 times more of what we have. If it plays out, e-powered plane can be in air for much longer, and we may not need multiple packs!
Little bit off the topic but I would assume YS is also watching the development in e-power segment?
01-18-2012 | 10:47 AM
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Anybody knows the percent of pilots in Japan flying electric in a typical contest?
Yes, IBM and US government labs are working on lithium air battery and and the energy density theorized is 1000 times more of what we have. If it plays out, e-powered plane can be in air for much longer, and we may not need multiple packs!
Little bit off the topic but I would assume YS is also watching the development in e-power segment?
Anybody knows the percent of pilots in Japan flying electric in a typical contest?
Yes, IBM and US government labs are working on lithium air battery and and the energy density theorized is 1000 times more of what we have. If it plays out, e-powered plane can be in air for much longer, and we may not need multiple packs!
Little bit off the topic but I would assume YS is also watching the development in e-power segment?
Arch
01-18-2012 | 10:54 AM
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RE: Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
ORIGINAL: MTK
I did but helped out a flying bud and sold it to him. He needed a test bed and this one fit the bill perfectly
I could enter electric any time. I have Dave L and Dean P very close and these guys have all the answers I would ever need.
An electric twin for Pattern with counter rotators is one ticket around the contra's expense. Someone is working on such a project for certain. The concept affords all the benefits and also offers asymmetric thrust capability not possible with a contra...
I mean, how cool would it be to slave the motors to rudder? Knife edge loops would be done with the bottom motor driving and the top in reverse.... The M's bottom in last years P schedule would be NP
BUT that's really getting off the subject of YS and Petrol
ORIGINAL: cmoulder
Matt,
Don't you have a secret electric project going on down there somewhere in the Jersey Skunkworks?
Matt,
Don't you have a secret electric project going on down there somewhere in the Jersey Skunkworks?
I could enter electric any time. I have Dave L and Dean P very close and these guys have all the answers I would ever need.
An electric twin for Pattern with counter rotators is one ticket around the contra's expense. Someone is working on such a project for certain. The concept affords all the benefits and also offers asymmetric thrust capability not possible with a contra...
I mean, how cool would it be to slave the motors to rudder? Knife edge loops would be done with the bottom motor driving and the top in reverse.... The M's bottom in last years P schedule would be NP
BUT that's really getting off the subject of YS and Petrol
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01-18-2012 | 04:04 PM
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There are some things on the gas engines which have not been considered in our discussions, for example, the supercharging system in the YS engines is a great improvement on the regular supercharging found on any two stroke engine(this also depends if the engine has a front intake or rear intake), the two stroke does not create a considerable vacuum when the piston goes down as on the 4 strokes, just because the exhaust port opens before the intake, and that is why the fuel is helped to be pushed in the cylinder by the downward effect created by the piston, so, if a gas two stroke was going to benefit from that, it should have to be a rear intake, with the rotary valve and rings on the crankshaft to hold maximum available pressure, if it is front intake, then the turbo crankshaft will do the trick, but I have only seen this in racing engines like in car or pylon racing engines(all RC I mean), it is not easy at all.
YS are engines created for serious competition, so the big 4 strokes have been created for F3A, not to for lower classes or to make it affordable, so, YS knows they are fighting electrics(they know!), so if they go to a gas version, this gas version will not be as powerful as most top class electrics, and inmediatly will be degraded to a low power motor in comparison, and that is very unwise, as they take a lot of pride in the YS career, and how many lower power engines does anyone think they could sell? and after all the research done, will they get the investment back?, or will they keep producing the most powerful engine on RC instead?(comparable by size, displacement, etc).
YS opened the option to use no Nitro, actually 5% or 10% is the minimum you can get in most stores, and if some one can not cover the cost of fuel, I doubt it can cover the cost of an airframe and equipment for such engine.
I think if it even do not looks like it, there are too many variables in this game that start and end probably with the cost of this hobby, but dreaming of having the best equipment but cheap, is everybody's right.
Pattern is a specialty ( I think is more a specialty than a hobby or sport) and has its followers counted, not that many, and after a long time I came to realize everyone do the best it can to get the best equipment possible within their individual budget, but we are so few compared to the rest of the classes in the hobby, that's why we have to pay so much for everything, we are talking $5000 airplanes half the size and close to double the price of a 40% which looks scale, such dedicated equipment will always be expensive, and a multiple world champion manufacturer will not come out with a cheap version anytime soon in my opinion, of course economics will dictate decisions, always have ,always will.
Remember that not everybody has a power outlet in the field or wants to carry a generator around as it is common in the USA, when I was in Portugal, there were cars with the engine running all day long while recharging batteries during practice, and at $5 a gallon of gasoline................
Some people do, like in the attached picture(extreme to say the least)
I hope everyone can get what they need to be happy in this specialty, now or in the future.
Best regards and happy flights
Alejandro P.
YS are engines created for serious competition, so the big 4 strokes have been created for F3A, not to for lower classes or to make it affordable, so, YS knows they are fighting electrics(they know!), so if they go to a gas version, this gas version will not be as powerful as most top class electrics, and inmediatly will be degraded to a low power motor in comparison, and that is very unwise, as they take a lot of pride in the YS career, and how many lower power engines does anyone think they could sell? and after all the research done, will they get the investment back?, or will they keep producing the most powerful engine on RC instead?(comparable by size, displacement, etc).
YS opened the option to use no Nitro, actually 5% or 10% is the minimum you can get in most stores, and if some one can not cover the cost of fuel, I doubt it can cover the cost of an airframe and equipment for such engine.
I think if it even do not looks like it, there are too many variables in this game that start and end probably with the cost of this hobby, but dreaming of having the best equipment but cheap, is everybody's right.
Pattern is a specialty ( I think is more a specialty than a hobby or sport) and has its followers counted, not that many, and after a long time I came to realize everyone do the best it can to get the best equipment possible within their individual budget, but we are so few compared to the rest of the classes in the hobby, that's why we have to pay so much for everything, we are talking $5000 airplanes half the size and close to double the price of a 40% which looks scale, such dedicated equipment will always be expensive, and a multiple world champion manufacturer will not come out with a cheap version anytime soon in my opinion, of course economics will dictate decisions, always have ,always will.
Remember that not everybody has a power outlet in the field or wants to carry a generator around as it is common in the USA, when I was in Portugal, there were cars with the engine running all day long while recharging batteries during practice, and at $5 a gallon of gasoline................
Some people do, like in the attached picture(extreme to say the least)
I hope everyone can get what they need to be happy in this specialty, now or in the future.
Best regards and happy flights
Alejandro P.
01-18-2012 | 07:40 PM
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RE: Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
Bob
we had 5 competitions last year average 15 combatants and i think there was 1 or 2 in average that flew YS.
I have a brand new YS 170 CDI laying on the shelves only started it to verify the re-build to CDI.
Some reserchers at IBM has also come up with some new battery tech. Iam sorry i have no link.
Regards
we had 5 competitions last year average 15 combatants and i think there was 1 or 2 in average that flew YS.
I have a brand new YS 170 CDI laying on the shelves only started it to verify the re-build to CDI.
Some reserchers at IBM has also come up with some new battery tech. Iam sorry i have no link.
Regards
IBM says lithium-air into mass production by 2020, but who knows what else is in the works? A lot of very bright minds are focused on this.
01-18-2012 | 07:59 PM
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I hope everyone can get what they need to be happy in this specialty, now or in the future.
Who would have thought in 1994 - the year I first started to explore digital photography - that digital would eventually drive Kodak into bankruptcy? That 99.99% of all new Nikons and Canons would be digital by 2000?
BTW, one can recharge batteries for 2 fliers all day long with the 1000-watt Honda generator that consumes about 2.5 liters of gasoline. And the generator weighs less than half what one of those car (or marine?) batteries weighs. With a 24-volt power supply, recharge a F3A pack in about 35 minutes.
01-18-2012 | 10:05 PM
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YS is a leader in heli's right now and they sell a LOT more motors to the heli guys than the pattern guys.
Arch
YS is a leader in heli's right now and they sell a LOT more motors to the heli guys than the pattern guys.
Arch
01-18-2012 | 10:55 PM
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Alejandro,
I couldn't imagine anyone carting 4 big batteries like that to the flying field... That is just crazy! [&:]
Here in Australia, the Honda generator is a common choice for charging at the field. At a comp, the maximum per day you would fly is four flights. I have four packs for this reason and they are all charged the night before the comp. Too easy..
Cheers,
Jason.
I couldn't imagine anyone carting 4 big batteries like that to the flying field... That is just crazy! [&:]
Here in Australia, the Honda generator is a common choice for charging at the field. At a comp, the maximum per day you would fly is four flights. I have four packs for this reason and they are all charged the night before the comp. Too easy..
Cheers,
Jason.
01-19-2012 | 05:49 AM
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RE: Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
ORIGINAL: apereira
There are some things on the gas engines which have not been considered in our discussions, for example, the supercharging system in the YS engines is a great improvement on the regular supercharging found on any two stroke engine(this also depends if the engine has a front intake or rear intake), the two stroke does not create a considerable vacuum when the piston goes down as on the 4 strokes, just because the exhaust port opens before the intake, and that is why the fuel is helped to be pushed in the cylinder by the downward effect created by the piston, so, if a gas two stroke was going to benefit from that, it should have to be a rear intake, with the rotary valve and rings on the crankshaft to hold maximum available pressure, if it is front intake, then the turbo crankshaft will do the trick, but I have only seen this in racing engines like in car or pylon racing engines(all RC I mean), it is not easy at all.
YS are engines created for serious competition, so the big 4 strokes have been created for F3A, not to for lower classes or to make it affordable, so, YS knows they are fighting electrics(they know!), so if they go to a gas version, this gas version will not be as powerful as most top class electrics, and inmediatly will be degraded to a low power motor in comparison, and that is very unwise, as they take a lot of pride in the YS career, and how many lower power engines does anyone think they could sell? and after all the research done, will they get the investment back?, or will they keep producing the most powerful engine on RC instead?(comparable by size, displacement, etc).
YS opened the option to use no Nitro, actually 5% or 10% is the minimum you can get in most stores, and if some one can not cover the cost of fuel, I doubt it can cover the cost of an airframe and equipment for such engine.
I think if it even do not looks like it, there are too many variables in this game that start and end probably with the cost of this hobby, but dreaming of having the best equipment but cheap, is everybody's right.
Pattern is a specialty ( I think is more a specialty than a hobby or sport) and has its followers counted, not that many, and after a long time I came to realize everyone do the best it can to get the best equipment possible within their individual budget, but we are so few compared to the rest of the classes in the hobby, that's why we have to pay so much for everything, we are talking $5000 airplanes half the size and close to double the price of a 40% which looks scale, such dedicated equipment will always be expensive, and a multiple world champion manufacturer will not come out with a cheap version anytime soon in my opinion, of course economics will dictate decisions, always have ,always will.
Remember that not everybody has a power outlet in the field or wants to carry a generator around as it is common in the USA, when I was in Portugal, there were cars with the engine running all day long while recharging batteries during practice, and at $5 a gallon of gasoline................
Some people do, like in the attached picture(extreme to say the least)
I hope everyone can get what they need to be happy in this specialty, now or in the future.
Best regards and happy flights
Alejandro P.
There are some things on the gas engines which have not been considered in our discussions, for example, the supercharging system in the YS engines is a great improvement on the regular supercharging found on any two stroke engine(this also depends if the engine has a front intake or rear intake), the two stroke does not create a considerable vacuum when the piston goes down as on the 4 strokes, just because the exhaust port opens before the intake, and that is why the fuel is helped to be pushed in the cylinder by the downward effect created by the piston, so, if a gas two stroke was going to benefit from that, it should have to be a rear intake, with the rotary valve and rings on the crankshaft to hold maximum available pressure, if it is front intake, then the turbo crankshaft will do the trick, but I have only seen this in racing engines like in car or pylon racing engines(all RC I mean), it is not easy at all.
YS are engines created for serious competition, so the big 4 strokes have been created for F3A, not to for lower classes or to make it affordable, so, YS knows they are fighting electrics(they know!), so if they go to a gas version, this gas version will not be as powerful as most top class electrics, and inmediatly will be degraded to a low power motor in comparison, and that is very unwise, as they take a lot of pride in the YS career, and how many lower power engines does anyone think they could sell? and after all the research done, will they get the investment back?, or will they keep producing the most powerful engine on RC instead?(comparable by size, displacement, etc).
YS opened the option to use no Nitro, actually 5% or 10% is the minimum you can get in most stores, and if some one can not cover the cost of fuel, I doubt it can cover the cost of an airframe and equipment for such engine.
I think if it even do not looks like it, there are too many variables in this game that start and end probably with the cost of this hobby, but dreaming of having the best equipment but cheap, is everybody's right.
Pattern is a specialty ( I think is more a specialty than a hobby or sport) and has its followers counted, not that many, and after a long time I came to realize everyone do the best it can to get the best equipment possible within their individual budget, but we are so few compared to the rest of the classes in the hobby, that's why we have to pay so much for everything, we are talking $5000 airplanes half the size and close to double the price of a 40% which looks scale, such dedicated equipment will always be expensive, and a multiple world champion manufacturer will not come out with a cheap version anytime soon in my opinion, of course economics will dictate decisions, always have ,always will.
Remember that not everybody has a power outlet in the field or wants to carry a generator around as it is common in the USA, when I was in Portugal, there were cars with the engine running all day long while recharging batteries during practice, and at $5 a gallon of gasoline................
Some people do, like in the attached picture(extreme to say the least)
I hope everyone can get what they need to be happy in this specialty, now or in the future.
Best regards and happy flights
Alejandro P.
Attached you may find schetches of different induction systems. To create power it is necessay to get as much air/mix into the cylinder, and some may be difficult to utilise due to its lenghts in addition to engine lenght.
Best regards
01-19-2012 | 06:14 AM
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RE: Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
I dont think there is a way to make F3A more affordable, the entry classes sure are as cheap as you like, (nobody needs a full 2 meter ship to start in pattern)
so I think YS developes engines for F3A and that means state of the art and only the best possible.
I beleive there is no reason for a cost efective YS 175 running on petrol, the same reason there is no need for a F1 car to be more economic to run
so I think YS developes engines for F3A and that means state of the art and only the best possible.
I beleive there is no reason for a cost efective YS 175 running on petrol, the same reason there is no need for a F1 car to be more economic to run
01-19-2012 | 06:31 AM
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ORIGINAL: tuny
I dont think there is a way to make F3A more affordable, the entry classes sure are as cheap as you like, (nobody needs a full 2 meter ship to start in pattern)
so I think YS developes engines for F3A and that means state of the art and only the best possible.
I beleive there is no reason for a cost efective YS 175 running on petrol, the same reason there is no need for a F1 car to be more economic to run
I dont think there is a way to make F3A more affordable, the entry classes sure are as cheap as you like, (nobody needs a full 2 meter ship to start in pattern)
so I think YS developes engines for F3A and that means state of the art and only the best possible.
I beleive there is no reason for a cost efective YS 175 running on petrol, the same reason there is no need for a F1 car to be more economic to run
Consider the numbers for a moment, world wide....There are maybe around 2500 F3A competitors.
01-19-2012 | 08:29 AM
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It is difficult to beat a setup of $400 for a reasonable f3a motor ($250) and esc ($150$).
Battery pack is $100. Assume three packs, you total cost is $700. Or $900 including charger and ac-dc converter.
It is difficult to beat a setup of $400 for a reasonable f3a motor ($250) and esc ($150$).
Battery pack is $100. Assume three packs, you total cost is $700. Or $900 including charger and ac-dc converter.
01-19-2012 | 08:55 AM
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RE: Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
For the ones that w
For those that would like to get closer to the YS feeling the inrunners is the option. I have been running the Hacker C50 for more than 5 years with zero problems. I never had a single dead stick. Only grease the gear box every 50 flights. It takes me 15 minutes to do this. Also, I can do "Flying Lunches" during the week. Just take 3 batteries charged and going to the field that is 10 minutes from my office. Probably the single reason that explaing my improvement in the last few years. I go back to work and nobody can notice that I have been flying. I hope my boss is not reading this e-mail.....
Hey Tuny. Gasoline in Venezuela is practically free.....
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Gotta love the outrunners. $0/0hours maintenance after more than 500 flights between 2 Himax 6330-210's. The expensive ones, at $279.
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It is difficult to beat a setup of $400 for a reasonable f3a motor ($250) and esc ($150$).
Battery pack is $100. Assume three packs, you total cost is $700. Or $900 including charger and ac-dc converter.
It is difficult to beat a setup of $400 for a reasonable f3a motor ($250) and esc ($150$).
Battery pack is $100. Assume three packs, you total cost is $700. Or $900 including charger and ac-dc converter.
Hey Tuny. Gasoline in Venezuela is practically free.....
01-19-2012 | 09:06 AM
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RE: Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
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[link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Sooc9RVxo&feature=related]THIS[/link] is interesting. Gasser with no ignition.
[link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Sooc9RVxo&feature=related]THIS[/link] is interesting. Gasser with no ignition.
Simple implementation except there is significant percent glow fuel in the gas and the maintenance issues return. The guy claims no carb changes necessary with the fuel concoction he uses, other than fattening needle settings.
I intend to use one of the SAP 180's to do some testing on pipe at some point. It boasts more output than gasoline alone but we'll see. Uses a glow plug and would be simpler all around but at what downsides?
01-19-2012 | 10:02 AM
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RE: Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
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I don't agree! Pressure from E-Power is intense....YS and anyone else wishing to play in the arena, needs to differentiate themselves. Reduced operational cost is one good way, a business model that works great in business too, believe it or not. That's the main reason YS even looked at petrol as an alternative fuel source for their engines. Reduction in cost may not affect some F3A competitors but one can't say that it will not affect everyone wanting to pursue the descipline.
Consider the numbers for a moment, world wide....There are maybe around 2500 F3A competitors.
ORIGINAL: tuny
I dont think there is a way to make F3A more affordable, the entry classes sure are as cheap as you like, (nobody needs a full 2 meter ship to start in pattern)
so I think YS developes engines for F3A and that means state of the art and only the best possible.
I beleive there is no reason for a cost efective YS 175 running on petrol, the same reason there is no need for a F1 car to be more economic to run
I dont think there is a way to make F3A more affordable, the entry classes sure are as cheap as you like, (nobody needs a full 2 meter ship to start in pattern)
so I think YS developes engines for F3A and that means state of the art and only the best possible.
I beleive there is no reason for a cost efective YS 175 running on petrol, the same reason there is no need for a F1 car to be more economic to run
Consider the numbers for a moment, world wide....There are maybe around 2500 F3A competitors.
YS need to differentiate themselves????... so been the most powerfull 4 cycle, direct injection and supercharged engine is not beeing different, please tell me how.....
Again, trying to lower the cost of operating a YS is like a Ferrari with hybrid power, or plastic golf clubs, or a private jet with extra seats to carry more persons.....
the difference in price per flight using glow or petrol (suming same engine price) is about 1 dollar per fligth using petrol and 3,50 using glow (asuming also same duration of flights)
so the difference is 2,50... so we want to fly state of the art engines (around 1.000 usd) the most economical plane is about 2.000 an a radio plus equipments etc etc etc.... and you think 2,50 per fligth will make any difference????
01-19-2012 | 10:08 AM
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RE: Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
Hey Jason!
I know what is in the picture is overkill, just tried to show how far some people could go to fly electrics in certain countries, not to say it is the standard, I know the Honda, but it is a $2000 generator in the USA still, I know there was a sale a while ago but did not get there in time at the Home Depot, I have a Honeywell 2000 but it is so heavy I just fly my 6 TP packs and go home, which at the end is about 42 to 45 minutes of flying against 84 minutes on 6 flights in the YS. You have a very valid point, the Honda generator is an amazing unit, very small and very very quiet, it is just not easy to get and expensive, and it varies from country to country, that one does not even exist in Venezuela.
Dag, exactly what I mean, not easy, a two stroke gasser to be as powerfull will waste power in carrying it's own weight, it is an option, but probably new ideas are needed and a good solid company who wants to spend in R&D, look at OS with the 200 CDI, a waste of resources, but they can afford that after all, only one was used at the WC and we all thought it was going to die on the take off on the third P round(I think). I wonder if DA had ever looked into it? Dave Von Linsowe used to fly F3A......
As to the comments of the Himax motor etc, my electric set up is $850 for the motor and ESC, 6 TP batteries at $300= $1800, plus the charger Cellpro XP $200 and the power supply $100 total $2950, a Himax can not be compared to a Hacker and never to a YS. My YS setup is $800 engine, regulator $30, battery $26 switch $15, header and muffler $200, the tank etc comes with the airplane, total it is about $1000, I can still by a sh....t load of glow fuel with the $1950 difference, and I do not put Chinese cheap options in a $6000 plane, that will not make sense at all.
My best regards to all,
Alejandro
I know what is in the picture is overkill, just tried to show how far some people could go to fly electrics in certain countries, not to say it is the standard, I know the Honda, but it is a $2000 generator in the USA still, I know there was a sale a while ago but did not get there in time at the Home Depot, I have a Honeywell 2000 but it is so heavy I just fly my 6 TP packs and go home, which at the end is about 42 to 45 minutes of flying against 84 minutes on 6 flights in the YS. You have a very valid point, the Honda generator is an amazing unit, very small and very very quiet, it is just not easy to get and expensive, and it varies from country to country, that one does not even exist in Venezuela.
Dag, exactly what I mean, not easy, a two stroke gasser to be as powerfull will waste power in carrying it's own weight, it is an option, but probably new ideas are needed and a good solid company who wants to spend in R&D, look at OS with the 200 CDI, a waste of resources, but they can afford that after all, only one was used at the WC and we all thought it was going to die on the take off on the third P round(I think). I wonder if DA had ever looked into it? Dave Von Linsowe used to fly F3A......
As to the comments of the Himax motor etc, my electric set up is $850 for the motor and ESC, 6 TP batteries at $300= $1800, plus the charger Cellpro XP $200 and the power supply $100 total $2950, a Himax can not be compared to a Hacker and never to a YS. My YS setup is $800 engine, regulator $30, battery $26 switch $15, header and muffler $200, the tank etc comes with the airplane, total it is about $1000, I can still by a sh....t load of glow fuel with the $1950 difference, and I do not put Chinese cheap options in a $6000 plane, that will not make sense at all.
My best regards to all,
Alejandro
01-19-2012 | 11:03 AM
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RE: Will YS ever go gas/petrol?
ORIGINAL: tuny
YS need to differentiate themselves????... so been the most powerfull 4 cycle, direct injection and supercharged engine is not beeing different, please tell me how.....
Again, trying to lower the cost of operating a YS is like a Ferrari with hybrid power, or plastic golf clubs, or a private jet with extra seats to carry more persons.....
the difference in price per flight using glow or petrol (suming same engine price) is about 1 dollar per fligth using petrol and 3,50 using glow (asuming also same duration of flights)
so the difference is 2,50... so we want to fly state of the art engines (around 1.000 usd) the most economical plane is about 2.000 an a radio plus equipments etc etc etc.... and you think 2,50 per fligth will make any difference????
YS need to differentiate themselves????... so been the most powerfull 4 cycle, direct injection and supercharged engine is not beeing different, please tell me how.....
Again, trying to lower the cost of operating a YS is like a Ferrari with hybrid power, or plastic golf clubs, or a private jet with extra seats to carry more persons.....
the difference in price per flight using glow or petrol (suming same engine price) is about 1 dollar per fligth using petrol and 3,50 using glow (asuming also same duration of flights)
so the difference is 2,50... so we want to fly state of the art engines (around 1.000 usd) the most economical plane is about 2.000 an a radio plus equipments etc etc etc.... and you think 2,50 per fligth will make any difference????
Plastic golf clubs...Hmmm that's what my driver is made of epoxy/carbon. Last time I checked epoxy was a plastic. I can outdrive most of you and I am a old fart with my plastic driver LOL
Cost of flying between a YS and my gas 2 stroke....I did this analysis last year. I flew 350 flights approximately and saved about 1000 $ US plus whatever rebuild costs the YS normally incurs after 350 flights. Can I afford 1000$US? Yes I can...so what?
This coming year I will be flying a DLE55 powered plane, and my gas cost will increase about 25%. I'd like to see the YS175 swing a 20x12 3 blader on any% nitro and not break
Chinese cheapo?? Youbetcha!! If you want to spend through the nose because you can, fine with me
