I don't like the size of the sullivan / torquemaster type starter motors. Adding a battery DOES make them cordless, but it adds weight. My ultra torque Sullivan already weighs a ton. I have rediculous tendonitis, so shaking hands with anything other than a dead fish, grabbing fat starters, or holding anything heavy doesn't work for me. I'd like to replace the Sullivan I have with something smaller. I don't want to modify it...I want something smaller / easier to hold, like what I used at the field when an ex member loaned me his. The motor was almost as small as a roll of quarters and it had power. It was awesome! If anyone has used one of these, he'll know what I am talking about. Pattern guys are smart so I figured I had the best chance in your forum. Thanks for your efforts on my behalf!

I love my Kavan starter. It's small and has plenty of torque when powered with 14.4 V (two 7.2V RC car batteries in series).

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/kavan.htm

http://store.alshobbyshop.com/browse...N-STARTER.HTML

http://www.sigmfg.com/cgi-bin/dpsmar...011.html?E+Sig

Steve

B&P are very popular with the pattern crowd:

http://bpassociates.homestead.com/STARTERpacks.html

Pick a starter with a gearbox.

I don't know if they are available in the States but here in Europe the Kavan starter with planetary gear is the most widely used among pattern flyers.

That is, pattern flyers that still use YS engines.

Most have converted to electric power by now.

I use the B&P starters - have used them for many, many years.

I agree B&P Starters, the best hands down,
Bryan

I've been using the KAVAN starter since the early 70's and it's the best of the starters.
When B&P started mounting the KAVAN on the 10 cell battery....well, like Chris and Bryan say.......it's the BEST!!
Get a Miller soft silicone cup for it and ditch the eraser rubber cup that comes with the starter....mebby they replaced that by now.
One thing though.....dont hold it to the palm of your hand and pull the trigger....you'll be sorry!

Oh.....the diameter of the KAVAN is pretty small so your hand can easily reach around...it.

I use a magnum geared started with a Makita 18V lithium pack and it turns the dz170 over with ease IF you wind it back off compression first. I've never tried spinning the starter up first then applying to the spinner like I see others do with the dz's.

I had the drive pinion come loose on the shaft in the first few starts but since I disassembled it and took to it with some locktite a centre punch and a large hammer it hasn't moved since.

It'll turn over the dz170 at WOT with an 18.1x10W at about 1900 rpm (ignition off of course)...

Magnum from Hobby People.Big cone from Tower and 23504C Rhino LIPO from Hobby City. Compact, powerful, reliable and inexpensive.
RC

B&P is the only starter I use now!

Greg Grigsby

I use Kavan starter.

B&P All the way. Great service and an even better product.

Aling Starter is very light use a lipo 3 cell come with a case and is gearbox you can start up to 50cc

i use this on my heli and it can be used on planes http://www.heliproz.com/prodinfo.asp?number=804577
uses 2 of 7.2V batteries, so it's self contained and the handle makes it easy to hold. it even has 2 buttons, for heli and for plane mode. it never fails me.

I use an old JP starter. Seems they have renewed it a bit since I bought it, but you get the idea;
http://www.jperkinsdistribution.co.u...tname=Starters
(Actually, the local RC shop had one in as a faulty order... Luckily I snatched it before it got sent back!)

Very cheap, reliable, STRONG, small and light. I have attached a 10cell NiCd pack. Guess it works great on Hobbycity LiPo as well...

That starter is only rated to .91 4-strokes... enough for YS 1.4 and up engines?

I've used it for approx.3years now without any problems. I too was a bit worried, but loved the size, so I gave it a go. Easily starts my YS170's and 160's... It did have some issues with an old Os BGX-1, but it turned that engine as well.. Mind you, I'm using 12cells NiCd (sorry for the mistake in the last post..).

I should by one. My old sullivan starter is getting weak (I've had it 15 years old and I bought it used) and I was thinking about the dynatron, and it's about $100.