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Enrique-F3A 09-02-2013 09:33 PM

P-15
 
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rm 09-03-2013 12:51 AM

I like that sequence.

Enrique-F3A 09-03-2013 03:12 PM

+ 1

burtona 09-03-2013 05:14 PM

Strange, no integrated rolling stuff this cycle?

Dsnow 09-03-2013 05:29 PM

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They left that for F15.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=1916460

andre12 09-04-2013 08:10 AM

is it possible to have the F15 with the left wind ?

apereira 09-04-2013 02:51 PM

Nop,

unless someone do it, the aresti is for reference, you should be able to do it with a caller in both directions, is really not difficult.

It could also be inverted with software wich can be done easily.

Ricardo M. 09-04-2013 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by apereira (Post 11608220)
Enrique edited his first post with the schedule in the oposite direction.

Enrique posted P-15 with both wind direction, Andre12 is asking for the F.

Dsnow 09-04-2013 03:20 PM

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Try this, just mirrored so wording is backwards.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=1916724

Doug Cronkhite 09-04-2013 05:58 PM

The 6-point roll stuff is strange. 60 degrees is an unusual angle to visualize both for flying and judging. Everything else looks great!

Enrique-F3A 09-04-2013 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by apereira (Post 11608220)

It could also be inverted with software wich can be done easily.

Alejandro. Would you, please, do it ? no reversed letters (for F-15)

Thanks in advance

Flying Kiwi 09-04-2013 08:51 PM

Some video of P 15 being flown by Jason Shulman and Onda-san can be found here http://fai-f3aworld.blogspot.com.au/

apereira 09-04-2013 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by Doug Cronkhite (Post 11608341)
The 6-point roll stuff is strange. 60 degrees is an unusual angle to visualize both for flying and judging. Everything else looks great!

That is the most difficult maneuver in my opinnion as the points are not ussual

apereira 09-04-2013 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by Enrique-F3A (Post 11608409)
Alejandro. Would you, please, do it ? no reversed letters (for F-15)

Thanks in advance

Dsnow just did it, and the text is not really neccessary, but you can write them by hand if needed, I for example, printed and wrote the K factor on each maneuver on both P and F.

n233w 09-05-2013 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by apereira (Post 11608444)
That is the most difficult maneuver in my opinnion as the points are not ussual

I saw it flown a few days ago and must say it looked surprising. But just think equilateral triangle and it works, imho.

Bill

Doug Cronkhite 09-05-2013 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by n233w (Post 11608687)
I saw it flown a few days ago and must say it looked surprising. But just think equilateral triangle and it works, imho.

Bill

90 degree points are easily identified, but I think a 60 degree bank is going to be incredibly hard to judge accurately.

apereira 09-05-2013 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by Doug Cronkhite (Post 11608773)
90 degree points are easily identified, but I think a 60 degree bank is going to be incredibly hard to judge accurately.

Exactly, it is very easy to do as you can actually keep the same rudder input, is how it will have to be done to get the points, and the obvious " it has to be done right" does not always apply as most judges who do not fly will not "see" the points clearly as well as the keyboard pilots, in my opinion.

Malydilnar 09-05-2013 02:06 PM

The six point rolls looks amazing with a biplane, as you can really see the points and the wings hold 60 and 120 degrees

bjr_93tz 09-05-2013 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Doug Cronkhite (Post 11608773)
90 degree points are easily identified, but I think a 60 degree bank is going to be incredibly hard to judge accurately.

I agree, 60deg points adds no technical challenge to the pilot but increases the chances that if flown smoothly and gracefully that it "has to be right" which would encourage impression judging.

Enrique-F3A 09-05-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12 (Post 11607920)
is it possible to have the F15 with the left wind ?

Andre, here it is

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=1917121 http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=1917122

andre12 09-08-2013 01:57 AM

thanks a lot Enrique.....wish you very good flights
Andre

Jeff Worsham 09-08-2013 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Doug Cronkhite (Post 11608773)
90 degree points are easily identified, but I think a 60 degree bank is going to be incredibly hard to judge accurately.

Been watching a fair amount of P-15 the last few weeks and found it helpful to look for the 60deg pt as 15deg past 45, and then using that same 30deg angular displacement from wings vertical as the reference for locating the 120deg point. Wow, it's easier to think about than describe it!

Freddy 09-12-2013 07:38 PM

60 degrees just does not make sense hard to see and hard to judge. Ever heard of 60 degrees knife edge flight? Of course not it would be a 2 point downgrade to start.


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