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Old 09-02-2013, 09:33 PM
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I like that sequence.
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Strange, no integrated rolling stuff this cycle?
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They left that for F15.

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is it possible to have the F15 with the left wind ?
Old 09-04-2013, 02:51 PM
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Nop,

unless someone do it, the aresti is for reference, you should be able to do it with a caller in both directions, is really not difficult.

It could also be inverted with software wich can be done easily.

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Old 09-04-2013, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by apereira
Enrique edited his first post with the schedule in the oposite direction.
Enrique posted P-15 with both wind direction, Andre12 is asking for the F.
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Try this, just mirrored so wording is backwards.

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Old 09-04-2013, 05:58 PM
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The 6-point roll stuff is strange. 60 degrees is an unusual angle to visualize both for flying and judging. Everything else looks great!
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Originally Posted by apereira

It could also be inverted with software wich can be done easily.
Alejandro. Would you, please, do it ? no reversed letters (for F-15)

Thanks in advance

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Some video of P 15 being flown by Jason Shulman and Onda-san can be found here http://fai-f3aworld.blogspot.com.au/
Old 09-04-2013, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Cronkhite
The 6-point roll stuff is strange. 60 degrees is an unusual angle to visualize both for flying and judging. Everything else looks great!
That is the most difficult maneuver in my opinnion as the points are not ussual
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Originally Posted by Enrique-F3A
Alejandro. Would you, please, do it ? no reversed letters (for F-15)

Thanks in advance
Dsnow just did it, and the text is not really neccessary, but you can write them by hand if needed, I for example, printed and wrote the K factor on each maneuver on both P and F.
Old 09-05-2013, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by apereira
That is the most difficult maneuver in my opinnion as the points are not ussual
I saw it flown a few days ago and must say it looked surprising. But just think equilateral triangle and it works, imho.

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Originally Posted by n233w
I saw it flown a few days ago and must say it looked surprising. But just think equilateral triangle and it works, imho.

Bill
90 degree points are easily identified, but I think a 60 degree bank is going to be incredibly hard to judge accurately.
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Originally Posted by Doug Cronkhite
90 degree points are easily identified, but I think a 60 degree bank is going to be incredibly hard to judge accurately.
Exactly, it is very easy to do as you can actually keep the same rudder input, is how it will have to be done to get the points, and the obvious " it has to be done right" does not always apply as most judges who do not fly will not "see" the points clearly as well as the keyboard pilots, in my opinion.
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The six point rolls looks amazing with a biplane, as you can really see the points and the wings hold 60 and 120 degrees
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Originally Posted by Doug Cronkhite
90 degree points are easily identified, but I think a 60 degree bank is going to be incredibly hard to judge accurately.
I agree, 60deg points adds no technical challenge to the pilot but increases the chances that if flown smoothly and gracefully that it "has to be right" which would encourage impression judging.
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Originally Posted by andre12
is it possible to have the F15 with the left wind ?
Andre, here it is

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Old 09-08-2013, 01:57 AM
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thanks a lot Enrique.....wish you very good flights
Andre
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Originally Posted by Doug Cronkhite
90 degree points are easily identified, but I think a 60 degree bank is going to be incredibly hard to judge accurately.
Been watching a fair amount of P-15 the last few weeks and found it helpful to look for the 60deg pt as 15deg past 45, and then using that same 30deg angular displacement from wings vertical as the reference for locating the 120deg point. Wow, it's easier to think about than describe it!

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Old 09-12-2013, 07:38 PM
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60 degrees just does not make sense hard to see and hard to judge. Ever heard of 60 degrees knife edge flight? Of course not it would be a 2 point downgrade to start.

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