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Just Curious if anybody knows how much the Fiesta sells for...or how i can convert Euros to American dollars?Any help would be appreciated,Thanks

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Call patternproz at 918-258-0061 and ask. From what I know, nobody really stocks these kits. A bulk order to PL is placed once several people have placed their order. The shipping from France is amortized among many kits and is less expensive than placing an order for a single kit. The kits to your door are expensive. Ballpark would be $1600 - $1800. Even at this price, the demand for the kits are high, and extra kits are sold immediately.

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Hi there,
For the moment 1 US dollar is about 0.75 € .
Hope this helps.
Bruno.

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Or stated another way. Multiply the Euros by 1.33 and that is the price in US Dollars.

Sam
Oxai.us

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I read in an article the plane is 6000 Euros...so if the above is correct..the kit would cost $780.00?Has anybody ever dealt with PL Products aircraft,and what did you think about the kit?

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PL kits are really, really good. Dads built four of them (two Smaragd, one Lazulite and one Partner) and they've all been of the highest quality.

Angus

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Well, I'm guessing the kit is 600EUR not 6000, so at 1.33 it's actually $798 but you'll have a fair bit of shipping to pay on top of that too!

Mark

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I think the 6000 E price would be for a covered and painted version, not the kit. So that would be $8000.00 U.S (yes, you still have to put equipment in it).

In my opinion, the kits are unmatched anywhere in terms of lightness, impeccable quality, engineering, and most importantly, outstanding flying characteristics. The kits are expensive because of the strength of the Euro against the dollar, and also because of shipping costs. Personally, I could not justify spending $8000.00 on the completed plane, but $1600 for a PL kit is still worth it to me. The BN Impulse could change my thinking however. That appears to be a great deal if the quality rivals PL.

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Extra 330,

I read this post last night and I am in the process of turning in another order to PL for more kits, I included in an e-mail an inquiry on the price of the Fiesta and as soon as they respond to me I will be happy to give you a call with a price. You can e-mail me offline at russ@ultimate*********.com or you can give me a call at 918-258-0061 and we can talk more.

I have been very happy with the quality of these planes and PL Products as a company has been very favorable to deal with. I have never seen kits in person that are any nicer than theirs.

Russell Honea
PatternProz.com

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dflynt,

If you are looking for a high end model that is already completely painted with urethane and comes in at 10.25 to 10.50 lbs ready to fly look at the Oxai Pinnacle. Dave Snow, who came in first in Masters at the Nats this year just got his today and he said, "The plane is a work of art and I will have to see if I have guts to fly the plane." That's a heck of a compliment from a guy who flys as good as Dave.

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Sam,

I agree. I am thoroughly impressed with the Pinnacle. Word is getting out on these planes, and I have a feeling they will become more and more common at contests.

David

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"In my opinion, the kits are unmatched anywhere in terms of lightness, impeccable quality, engineering, and most importantly, outstanding flying characteristics. The kits are expensive because of the strength of the Euro against the dollar, and also because of shipping costs. Personally, I could not justify spending $8000.00 on the completed plane"

$8000 dollars????? My abbra is painted in mold, very high quality, and only $1500. you just need to install radio then fly, you can specify which engine you want to use and they will install firewall/nosering for just a few dollars more. you can order a 3d version with big throws, an electric version (extra light). please buy two for $3000 and send me the extra $5000 I can use it as down payment for a new home.

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Well, I stand by what I said. $1600 for a PL kit is a lot, but still worth it to me. They are good, however I liked it better when they were $1000.00.

BTW -- I drink Budweiser. I like the taste, and well ... it's the king of beers.

David

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Ummm....ya know, I hate to sound negative here, but there's no way in hades I'd pay $8000 for a pattern plane, I don't care if it's solid gold. (and that would be heavy anyway).

I know PL makes a really good product in comparison to most others, but even at $1600 it's overpriced in my opinion. It all comes down to what an individual is willing to spend. It's apparent that there are some people out there who will very quickly spend that kind of money, but I think it's obscene.

And $8000 and then you still have to install some stuff is just plain assenine, I could care less what the quality is.

Could you or someone explain to me how $8000+ is worth it? For ONE PLANE?We're not talking $3000, or even $4000...but $8000 freakin dollars!!!!

Or am I reading that wrong? Someone enlighten me, I must be losing my marbles or hallucinating.

-Mike

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Sigh. Mike, I agree with you. $8000.00 for a pattern plane is too much money for me. If you review what I have posted, I said this twice now.

I don't mean to suggest how you spend your money, or how much you should or should not spend on a pattern plane. It's a free country.


David

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Relax Dave, and I didn't mean it to sound like I was getting on you. I get pretty animated when I see something like that $8000 price tag.

It seems harmless enough, but if people pay it, believe me, you'll see a lot more moving in that direction. A few years back who would have considered paying close to $2000 for a KIT? But, people did, praised the quality, and now look, more and more planes upward of $2000. And it has become more of a standard than a fringe. Maybe I'm saying it's a slippery slope thing, I dunno.

The truth is I can make my own planes from scratch, and they are up there in quality with the best. I couldn't do it 3-4 years ago, I decided to learn how. It was much easier than I first thought. So the only way it affects me is I would like people to compete against. I'd rather compete against 10 with a $700 plane than one with an $8000 plane.

People really have more money than patience and/or time, and that's where this is all going. Modellers are a rare thing nowadays. It just makes me sad.

-Mike

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I'm sure they are great kits... however I really have a problem with PL Products - PERIOD. I received a kit from them that was shipped to me in the middle of June last year - the fuselage arrived damaged an unrepairable. They blamed me for it!!!! I've sent them pictures and they agreed to replace the fuselage back in Sept. last year. I'm still waiting for it... I've emailed, cajoled, and finally threatened them but have not heard anything since 11/3/04 when the message from them was:

Hello,

Normally we shall be able to send the fuselage by a ten days.

It is also possible to put SMARAGD's driving bonnet Z if you want him.

It will be necessary to give us a number of credit card to confirm him.

Greetings

PL PROD



I had also ordered a replacement chin cowl for a Smaragd for a friend. Still no fuse and no replies to my email. I will be writing an article for the K-Factor about their business practices....

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Derek I've been attempting to get replacemant parts for my Smaragd for over 3 months. They have my credit card info and have now stopped responding to emails. I'm pretty upset by the treatment. I hope you let everyone know. Mike

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So I'm not the only one, huh? [>:]

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I will buy a pl prod smaragd when it come ready to fly - wing/stab installed and preset, tank/batt/rudder servo trays installed, firewall/nosering installed for engine of my choice, bellypan/chin cowel/landing gear installed, must have a beautiful 4 color paint job with colors I choose - will pay $1500 shipped. Immediate conflict resolution in customers favor and short leed times for replacement parts must be standard business practice.

I have been building pattern planes for years, the most critical part is overall alingment - if this is off just a little, the plane will not be competitive - there is no better place for a pattern plane to be setup than at the original manufacturing facility, they have jigs and replacement parts onhand to make sure that kit is perfect and setup properly before it is shipped to consumer. I have received many planes with warpped wings/stab, out of round wing tube, bent tailfin, etc this is what happens when parts are dumpped into a box and shipped. when the manufacture sets up the plane for flight they are forced to select perfect parts and make sure they lineup with other parts. This is what I am paying for not a box full of mismatched parts and an instruction booklet.

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Hey Pizza who has all that available now? Nobody I know of. Mike

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I wasn't going to touch the wonderful service of PL, but I'm glad you did ;)

They aren't alone either.

-Mike

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I'm having a bad customer service week. Seems everywhere I go something is going wrong. Maybe I'm bad luck. Mike

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It's not just you Mike, customer service sucks everywhere. Heck I just got back from standing in line at the cable company, almost 2 hours, one stupid desk open. And then they crossed up my phone and cable bill, and I had to try and straighten out that mess.

But at least they're local, I can look them in the eye and tell them they suck [8D]

-Mike

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Hey Mike,
better than telling them they suck - take your business elsewhere (if you can). That's what's great about seeing more pattern kits/arfs available. The good ones (hopefully) will survive. Still, not many choices here in the USA - Piedmont, PAC, Aeroslave (one or two others whose names escape me), but all have good reputations.
-Will