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I hear ya, Don. But after all this model has a rudder, elevators and ailerons - I don't think I'm gonna miss an under cambered airfoil.

I promise on my next Eindecker build I will use wing warping, full flying tail surfaces and functioning scale gear[8D].......I just don't quite know when that will be.

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That's a thought:eek:.

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Turtle report:

Got the second aileron end rib glued in - tomorrow, after the glues dries I will put the cap strips on.

The wing looks much nicer at the tip with a one piece wing tip and recessed aileron.

That's all folks! (for tonight anyway)

Signed
The Turtle

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It isn't just the undercambered airfoil. This new wing changes the whole look of the model. Also while it's simple to replace the kit's rudder and stab with full-flying version, there would have been no way to modify the Mark I wing.

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I really can't disagree with what you are saying, but my main goal for this airplane is to fly, fly, fly! And I can do that with either wing.

RE: Eindecker EIII
 

I like the looks of the undercambered wing much better![8D] I was thinking...If you hinged the ailerons at the top and covered over the gap with the covering, the ailerons wouldn't be so noticable and it might look more realistic. Anyway, all my 1/3 scale planes have thin airfoils and functional flying wires and it has never been a problem.

Jim

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The small 1/6 scale EIII from AerodromeRC uses a thin full-span barn-door type aileron hinged with fabric at the top. So the effect looks very much like wing warping. BTW, a clubmate came up with a very inventive solution on this own-designed sport-scale EIII. He had servos in the fuselage that actually rotated the two wing panels in opposite directions! I'm not recommending this, especially not for a 1/3 scale model, but it just goes to show there are many ways to skin a cat.

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BTW, some modelers might make the mistake of thinking of the EIII as a "small" aircraft because it only had one wing. But the fact of the matter is that it had a wingspan of 10m, compared with only 8m for a Sopwith Pup. In fact, the EIII's wingspan was a large as the 2-seat Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter!

So at 1/3 scale, this is no teeny model (as we can see from the photo of Paul lifting it out of his truck)!!! Can you imagine trying to make a 1/3 scale Strutter without functional rigging! [X(]

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:):):):)Soon.................very soon..........................:):D[8D];)


HPA

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Here is the new wing all laid out. I have made jigs for the rib placement and end pieces to keep things aligned.
At this point everything is locked into place with no glue.

I plan on using the small bottle pictured with wood glue to glue things together. I get these bottles at my local wood worker supply store.

I am doing it this way since all of the ribs slide onto the 1/4"x3/4" spars and it would be impossible to glue pieces in place as you build and keep things straight.

Larry

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Larry

Nicely done! This is making me want the new version wing........do you think you might be putting out an ARC version of the new modification?

(or in case that wasn't a strong enough hint - when will you get mine built?) :D hahahahaahhah

Are you telling me that the little squirt bottle is what you will use to apply all the glue? Does it work very well?

Later
Art

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Art,

The little bottle didn't work. The glue was just too thick.
I ended up using little sticks and q-tips to spread the glue around.

Remember this is my third set of wings, Paul's wings, a just built completed set with the flat bottom wing and these.

No more Eindecker wing building for me.
I need to get my plane finished for Mint Julep!

I got most of the left wing glued together tonight and I should finish it off tomorrow evening.
I would like to have the right panel and a new stab finished by Sunday evening.

I also have made some revisions to the stab with a 3/8"x3/8" stock leading edge.
For production kits I am going to use the strut like Paul added to his stab and have that tied back into the struts for the tail skid.

Larry

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Larry,
Barry and I use that little bottle all the time!
The trick is to thin the glue alittle with some H2O and it will work like a champ!;););)

HPA

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That is the design for wing tips I use on most of my projects . I cut the inside of the sheeting back to lighten the tips of the win , it is still strong , plus you can contour the top of the wing rib to match airfoil all the way to the wing tip .. Very Nice on the improvement !

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Turtle Report

I haven't got a lot accomplished this past week as I have been under the weather and going to work was about all I could get done......gotta keep the paycheck coming.

Starting to work on the elevators......... I traced the outline of the original elevators onto 1/8 balsa sheet.......found some 3/8" balsa sticks......the outline will be double pieces and the ribs will be single pieces.......then the top sheet will go on.

I will cut the control horns from 1/8" a/c ply and add them after the elevators are covered.

Ohio State is about to tip off and IU is coming up at 2:45 - so I won't get much done today either [8D]

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Sports, the other opiate of the masses. ;)

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Both teams won - back to the shop.

elevator halves ready for the top sheeting

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elevators are now sheeted and rough cut as is the stab......

and the snow is just beginning, 3 inches and counting.......supposed to have 6 to 10 inches (and I drive a rural mail route[&:])

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Ah, springtime in Indiana! Vs. springtime in Japan. :D Still, neither rain, nor shine...

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Some photos of the new right wing panel framed up.

With this design I did not use any balsa cap strips. Instead I cut thin strips of the airfoil shape from the ply and glued
them to the sides of the ribs to give me 1/4" of material for the covering to adhere to.
These strips are 1/8" wide and about 3/16" tall.

I found this to be much easier than bending 1/8"x1/4" balsa to follow the curve, and it is one less material needed in the kit.


Larry

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Larry,
That is 2 great changes on the wings...........leading edge dowel and no rib caps!
We are ready to go for this weekend. I will use a digital camera (on the ground) to make sure I can post some of the flight videos.

The new wing looks really good!

Art ....hope you are feeling better.........DRINK a Mountain Dew 24 ounce! And get back to it!
You are almost there ......(right Geez!?...chime in anytime with false illusions of grandeurs! LOL!)



HPA

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Huh!
Doc

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Do I have to draw you a picture?
Tell Art something that will get him across the finish line!..........anything!........hurry up before he gets home from work.....

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Paul, just what makes you think he's gonna listen to me, I'm way too far away to threaten him bodily. I could offer him a bribe but you're gonna have to chip in now!

Cmon ART Go Man Go!!
|How am I doin???
Is he doing anything yet?
Doc

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:)

Nothing...........................................[&o][&o]

Speaking of "nothing"..........Nothing says "I Love you" like BACON!:):)

HPA

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http://baconbaconbacon.tumblr.com/

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You are the coooolest dude I know!;):)

I got 3 new recipes off that site!

HPA



Art hows come you are the only one working today?..............There is a lot of off topic chit-chat waiting on YOU!!!!

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I especially was interested in the bacon toothpaste. When you brush your teeth after breakfast you don't lose that good flavor!:D


BTW, Are all these Eindeckers going to be at the Ohio Dawn Patrol? There should be an Eindecker gaggle![8D]


Jim

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Paul, that's a good one! [8D]

Just count me as walking dead - and everyone knows how fast a dead turtle can walk [X(]

Doc - send money (I need glue) :D by the time your donation arrives I will be recovered enough to start gluing again.

And now I have come to realize [:-] that not enough bacon in my diet has been the slow down - thanks Jim for letting me know that:eek:

I feel motivated enough to go out to the shop and sand something[>:] or cut something[X(] oh my, I'm tired just thinking about it:eek:[&o]

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Art...I for one appreciate you progressing at a speed that we ARF bashers can keep up with!!!

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Have I really fallen that far?! [&:]

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"and lions and tigers and bears, Oh my!"

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Pssssst ...............Psssssssssst................. ART!............

(what the hell is Geez talking about?)




HPA

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Like, scary things man, like, Art as an ARF builder, scary. Don't ya think?

Doc

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I thought you were talking about how lions, tigers, and bears pick off the weak ones who have fallen behind. :D

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Have you considered 2 layers of 1/16"? It just seems to me that cutting an piece of ply for each rib and then making sure they all line up is more work than double capping. Personally, I like being able to gang sand all the caps on a finished wing to ensure an even wing, and balsa's easy to sand. Just a different way I guess.

I do agree about the dowel leading edge though, (poplar from Hope Depot- nice and light). I'm building my second biplane with it, and I'm a believer.

Martin

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That would be my 2 cents as well.

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Caps strips present a problem when you go to mate them to the dowel leading edge. You have to make a sharp, curved bevel on each one and it's difficult and time consuming to to get them neat ( I couldn't do it.) I used a dowel LE and 1/16" balsa cap strips on my DH-2 and had to go back and use filler in the gap at every cap strip at the leading edge.[:'(]
From now on I'm using hard balsa, square-section stock in a V-cut for leading edges on a WW1 plane with thin wings. Rounding off the corner on the front of the LE is no big problem.[8D]

Jim

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Art build an ARF? I think I just felt a disturbance in the Force....
:D

Greg

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Thats what I'm talking about man. Scary
Doc