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I cant believe my superhero photo wont post![:@][:@]



HPA

TA DA! You might be a turtle but you still are a Super Hero!

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Turtle Report:

The stab is finish sanded and covered as is the fin and rudder.

The rudder has the national markings applied........they are cut from black Solartex and ironed in place. I thought it would be a little easier to cover the tail surfaces and put the markings on before they were glued to the rear of the fuselage.

I think the next step is to permanently glue the fin to the stab and then fit the tail skid assembly.........or bring the wings to a completed state and cover them, too. I have the national markings cut from black Solartex ready and waiting to be applied to the wings.

I had only enough black Solartex to do the upper wing surface markings........and then I had to piece it together. When ironed on the seam will be nearly invisible. The glossy markings are cut from pre-painted Coverite.......I will put these on the bottom surface of the wing because of the high gloss. Maybe a little rub down with some steel wool will dull it down.

Oh, by the way........these markings cut from Coverite & Solartex can be easily ironed on top of most iron on fabrics with no problem. Just use enough heat to activate the adhesive and not enough to cause shrinkage. They can also be ironed onto painted surfaces, too. I use a sock for my iron and place the iron on the covering - DO NOT drag the iron......it will mess with the paint. I am talking about latex house paint. It also works on other types of paint, but always do a test piece before you apply markings to your model.

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THAT'S IT ! You nailed it! I need to make a poster of that and hang it in my shop..............

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Turtle Report:

......been working on the tail skid supports and this is what I come up with - - - - -

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This is what it will look like..........one side done - the other side half done........

It's not scale, but does somewhat resemble the outline - and for a fun scale model, it certainly meets the goal.

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Turtle Report:

I finished the tail skid cage and knocked off the edges on the skid - it still needs considerable shaping.

Added the wing tube sockets, final fitted the aileron hinges and the ailerons and gave the wing a final sanding.

Then I added two extra layers of ply to the inside of the root ribs just behind the wing tubes - then drilled the fuse and threaded the wing to accept nylon 4-40 wing bolts. This will provide an added level of security to keep the wings on the tubes even though the flying and landing wires alone will actually hold on the wings. As soon as I test fit the wire attach points on the wing and fare in some balsa for the covering to stick to, the wings will be ready for covering - yippee!

The hatch is nearing completion - I have added the brass pieces where the landing wires will attach as well as the hard points to hold the drag wires for the king post and I will also add wires on the backside of the king post. These are not scale but will keep the king post from breaking in the event of a nose over. It needs the balsa sheeting and final sanding.

It's about time to decide which engine I will mount to the firewall and get it drilled and then glued to the front of the fuselage.
I am waffling between a Zenoah 445 twin or a G62 w/prop drive..........:eek:

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Turtle Report (or should I say "Snail Report")

It seems like I am getting slower and slower ......... I am making progress even though I haven't posted anything for almost 2 weeks.

I added extra balsa pieces where each of the landing and flying wires will attach - this allows the covering to be secured around these areas.

I have started the covering process on the wings.

This is one large model airplane! Each wing panel will take a 2 meter roll of Solartex on the bottom and the top......that is 2 rolls per wing panel.
I ripped a 2 inch wide strip from the roll and cut off about 12 inches from the end of each roll - the rest was used to cover the wing! Most of the 12 inch cut offs will be used on the ailerons........so really all that is left is the 2 inch by 2 meters long strip!

For reference I have shown what was left over after I covered the stab, fin, elevators and rudder.......about 25 inches of a 2 meter roll of Solartex.

Because of the length or the fuselage, it looks like it will take most of two mores rolls.......that's 7 rolls for the entire plane.

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread - this is a BIG model!

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Had a great time Saturday afternoon catching up with Paul and the gang, and got a chance to see the big monoplane up close.

Here's a couple pictures from Saturday

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...ps996d27a9.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...psb42b2fc4.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...ps5fd3f74f.jpg

As well as a short video of a couple flypasts:

http://youtu.be/XlDQNOH9-UA

For a big plane, sure was light on it's feet!!

Best regards,

Lee McD

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Lee it was good to see you again.........

Our "camp and fly" was a lot of fun.:):)

We surely did not get to see Art and Rhonda as much as we would of liked to......."life" got in the way....... (rain..work..etc)[&o]

The "builders proto-type" (I forced Larry to sell me..LOL) is finally COMPLETE..... as far as I am concerned.....

Larry and Art have studied all the Pros and cons of this design and when the final product is released from Larry I feel he has a winner!
The plane is very stable, 15mph+ winds ...no problems......, As Lee said the plane flies light on its feet. (did you hear Art say this was a big wing! LOL!)

This plane ended up balancing at 30% MAC and approx. 44 lbs.


It was very rewarding letting me partake in this adventure........Cheers to the both of you! AND KEEP GLUING!

HPA

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That really is a great looking model...a really nice compromise between scale appearance and building practicality. It's an eindecker that actually looks like an eindecker! Well, done, Larry, well done! And hearing that this model with scale proportions balances at about 30% encourages me to think I might be able to move the CG on my EIII back even a bit more...which would have the advantage of removing even more unwanted (nose) weight. Who would have thought an EIII model could be nose-heavy?

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Lee, thanks for the pictures and video. Work kept me away Saturday and then the rain crept in early Sunday morning. I did get a flight on Cutter's big Sopwith Pup on Saturday evening just before dark. Thanks Jeff, that was a treat! I also got my N-11 put together and fired up - got the cobwebs blown out of the pipes and managed to put in a 15 or so minute flight just before the rain settled in for the day.

I STILL DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO FLY PAUL'S EINDECKER [:@][:'(]:( maybe next time Paul.

I now have two wings covered.....next up are the ailerons.

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Paul, it was a pleasure having you involved in the process......and without you, we still wouldn't have any flight reports[X(] Maybe the next time we get together I'll have mine flying (or is that just wishful thinking?)

Thanks for taking the lead on the flying portion of this project - we have learned a lot from your experiences with Larry's proto-type. Cheers, Art

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Turtle Report:

Ailerons are covered. Now comes the hinging[&:][:@][:'(][:'(][:'(] I HATE THIS PART !

Hinging is a process........Vaseline on the hinge joints, then epoxy into the wing trailing edge........then pick out all the oozing epoxy after it sets but before it get too hard to remove........then more Vaseline on the hinge joints, you really can't get too much - just make sure you don't get it on the hinge itself....... butter the hinges with epoxy, fill the slots in the ailerons, slide it onto the hinges and tape upright.......make sure the control surface is aligned properly, then hold or tape into place......again, before the epoxy completely hardens, pick out all that has oozed out of the hinge slots. Since Vaseline was used this process is not too difficult.

Note: as you are placing the parts together, have paper towels and plenty of alcohol available so you can wipe off what oozes onto the covering before it hardens

One down, one to go.......

I have about 2 1/2 inches of travel down and 3 inches of up.......I will use most of the up travel and only about a third of the down travel.

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Turtle Report:

Second aileron is now hinged. Pretend that there are pictures here that look like those in the previous post, but in reverse.

Also all the hinges are drilled and then pins glued in place.

I don't know what's next, but I'll think of something.

Our goal for the first public display of both Eindeckers will be the Mint Julep, the second weekend in June in Rosewood, Indiana. Hopefully, Paul will show up with his, too. [8D] They will all be in fun scale - me and Larry will have to enter the advanced fun scale class, but Paul can enter Novice because he has never previously entered in competition. That being said, I know there will be a friendly wager of some kind on the outcome of the contest......you hear that Paul?

(oops [X(] the pressure is really on now! [>:] so get busy, Larry! :D)

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What do you do when you need to sheet a curved surface......?

"for what it's worth" I cut and fit the balsa sheet, then wet it down with water......when it softens, I form it against a round object (in this case a large cardboard tube) and tape it into place.......in the morning, or when it's dry, I will remove it from the form and then glue it to the hatch.

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The balsa sheet dried overnight so I lathered up the hatch and laid the 3 sheets into place.

When this dries I will sand down the front and sides and make the cut out for the pilot's station.

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Art for reason, I didn't get notified of your updates, glad to see you are making progress. We will miss you and Rhoda at Eureka Springs next month, Dallas says Hey.

Rich

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Thanks Rich

Rhonda and I will miss being out there, too. Hey back to Dallas.

Hollar at Hammer for me, too, will ya?

Art

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How about an update on the Eindecker EIII version 2.0.

It has been coming along but with a business to run time is usually in short supply. I have found a local metal shop where I am having the landing gear made and the alum. pot cut up for the cowl.
I have made a dowel rod mockup and a framing jig for him to make the landing gear fabrication as easy as possible. The gear is going to be made from 1/4" and 3/16" steel and "TIG" welded together. This shop has all of the metal working tools that you could imagine.

When the kits are available the landing gear will be assembled and ready to bolt on out of the box.
There is a plate across the gear that is screwed into the maple mounting block. This plate is welded to the gear which will add to the rigidity.

Two copies of the landing gear will be made by the end of the week along with two cowls.
I have the engine mounted and I am starting to work on the control linkages and by next weekend I want to be covering. It may be flying by the Mint Julep but it will still need some ginger bread added later.

Larry

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A couple of more photos.

Larry

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Worked out where the attachment point works so the lower wing wires clear the 9.33" wheels.

Larry

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WOW ! With that new wing and the landing gear mock-up, Now this is an EINDECKER!

I got the hatch cleaned up some. Next is to figure out the engine mounting/choke/throttle set up.

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Lookin' real good, Art!:)

Jim

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Man that looks pretty sweet Larry!
Your changes look awesome!
I took the EIII down to Joe Nall and flew it all week and during the 6:15 AM DAWN PATROL

Going to make some small mods on the cable attach points and take it to Wings for Kids in Louisville KY
And Yes ART will be able to fly it all he wants!

HPA

EIII on the flight line

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Paul,

Thanks for the motivating comments.

It looked good on the flight-line of the big show. It's been a few years since I was there.
Hopefully it drew some interest and comments.

We need you and Barry to come to the Mint Julep this year. Art and I will be there.

One of the best fields that anyone could ever fly at.
They have many different classes to enter.

http://www.sircm.com/Mint-Julep.html

Larry

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Working out the receiver, switch, battery and throttle servo locations. The battery and throttle servo still need to be mounted, but their locations are shown .

I made a tray to hold the receiver and located it directly beneath the pilot station. I glued in plywood pads to mount the rx tray. I am using a Futaba 617 rx so I needed to fabricate something to hold the antennae in place and away from other wiring. As you can see, I am using Velcro to hold the rx to the tray.

With this receiver location I won't have to use any servo extensions for the throttle, rudder or elevator servos.

And a shot of the tray arrangement for the tank as well as a picture of the battle tested Zenoah 445 twin.

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The 'turtle is running' report.......

The fire wall has been drilled for the Zenoah 445 and epoxied into place.......hardwood triangles have been epoxied to the back of the firewall.......the hatch has been fitted to the fuselage .....I glued the hatch locating dowels to the firewall and drilled for the screws which hold the hatch in place.

I also changed the switch mount from flimsy plastic to a plywood base.

Next up is to fit the throttle pushrod and the choke rod to the engine.

I think I can see the finish line - that rabbit ain't go nothin' on me!
(I'll post pictures later when the site allows)

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Thanks Jim. It'll look lot better when its flying (soon, I hope).

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couldn't resist seeing it assembled (sort of)

that's a Balsa USA 1/3 scale Pup cowl - it's not quite large enough in circumference - but it gives you a good idea what it might look like.

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more pics.......

I had some Colortex Cub yellow but don't have a Cub, so I used it on this project. (after all, it IS the Balsa USA Cub airfoil)

The national marking is black Solartex - for me its an easy way to apply markings - (I'm not very good at painting) (read that as SLOPPY!)

I think I am going to paint the airframe green and mark it like the Austro-Hungarian EIII on the front of the Windsock Data File.

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I finally finished the covering job........it needs paint in the worst way! ......... that Cub yellow hurts my eyes.

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Looks great Art!

Put some bumble bee stripes on it!............I will loan you my wheels off my EIII LOL!!

HPA

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I was thinking maybe a black lightning bolt down the side.......I got wheels, just don't have any axles to hang 'em on.[:o]

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I like the yellow Art. Besides it will be easy for you to see in the air

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Don't encourage him.

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don't hold your breath waiting on the paint - it just might fly in these colors [X(]

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NOPE ! NOT A CHANCE !

I started to paint it green, but the green was more of a Kelly green and definitely looked BAD (as in ugly)......so I opted for a cream, beige, tan, clear doped linen......these are all non-descript colors........pick what you want to call it........the typical Eindecker color.

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It's a true work of "RC" art.

Hey, shouldn't those Futaba antennas be in different planes from each other? I always thought that was the way the Futaba antennas were to be mounted. Maybe it's just an old wives tale but I have always mounted mine that way...one on a vertical plane and one on a horizontal plane.

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Tim,
Rotate your installation 90 degrees and it will look like mine.......if I fly knife edge it would be like you describe......right?

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No, my antennas are in two separate planes...picture one is flat horizontal as yours and the other is vertical or rising up the side of the fuse by way of example. Maybe this diagram will work. My understanding using this diagram is that one should be on the purple plane facing straight up or down and the other should face fore or aft on the blue plane. Clear as mud?? That was harder than I thought it would be.