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Old 12-29-2006 | 12:59 PM
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I'm not really new at the RC boat hobby, but I'm still finding my way around here...
I've started a Mr. Darby, and before I get too far into it, I'd like to ask a little advice This is the biggest project I've taken on, so I need to know:
-How do you manage lubrication of the drive shafts?
-Are the Dumas motors that came in the running gear kit worth using? I've read some opinions that they should be replaced with something bigger...
I plan on using belt & gear coupling instead of the brass gears. I figure they'll be quieter and more durable.

Anyhow, it's nice to be on board here! Thanks for your help.
Old 12-29-2006 | 01:25 PM
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I havent built one but this guy has,.........quotes of the build and hardware issues

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I have built two of them, one for myself and one for another club member. The short answer to your question is "no, it is not difficult at all" The long answer may be a little more complicated. It does involve gluing up wood and sanding as well as soldering the handrailings. I personally do not care for that so I use premade brass stanchions which look FAR more scale and require considerably less work. If you don't like sanding and sealing wood for the structures you could always trace patterns using the original onto styrene (which is how I build boats) and glue it together like a big model kit. I also replace all the wood with styrene so I have complete sets of patterns for the boat. I can construct as many of the Mr. Darby s I wish, just by purchasing a hull and some sheet styrene. I also highly advise using the Harbor Models running hardware kit that you can purchase. If you add up the price of the Dumas motors, and the running hardware you come out about even in cash outlay. Where you are light years ahead of the game is by simplicity, installation ease and brute pulling power. The Harbor Models setup uses Pittman 3700 motors which are far more powerful and don't need to be geared down, unlike the Dumas motors. Also, in the Harbor Models setup you have resin cast rudders, instead of the ones you must build from plywood and metal rod. Again, much simpler. Also, the Harbor Models kit uses steel coupler u-joints, similar to the cardan style (like a U-joint in a car) much stronger and quieter than the nylon and brass dogbones Dumas uses. In addition, the HM kit includes the "steering solution" and a 1/4 scale servo. The steering solution will allow the rudders to go hard over which will turn the boat on its own axis. One last thing, the HM kit also gives you resin output shaft supports and Prop SHop screws. It really is a nice setup. The boat I built with the HM kit is extremly powerful and draws much less amperage which in turns means you can have it in the water longer. I easily run this boat 3 hours before I even think about taking it out of the water. My first Mr. Darby I built I did not know about Harbor Models and used Dumas hardware. It works ok but you hear that annoying whining from the compound gear reducers. Also, you have to be pretty close to dead on with alignment between motor, gearbox and output shaft. With HM setup the u-joint does away with the gears and allows a little more misalignment.

All in all the Mr. Darby is an awesome boat and properly setup will pull an oak tree right out of its roots. I say go for it! Just take your time building it and you will have a boat you can be very proud of!

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On the Darby the only parts you have to contend with below the waterline is the skeg and the rudders. I simply build the structure using CA then use sanding sealer bought at any hardware or building supply dealer. Put on a coat, sand it down slightly, put on a coat, sand it down slightly etc. An alternative measure would be to build the structure as normally and then use Epoxy thinned out with rubbing alcohol. When the epoxy dries you can sand it down. After each method you would simply prime and paint it as usual. As for the above water structures, cabin, crane etc, I would simply build the structure and prime and paint it. Under normal circumstances it would (or shouldn't anyway!!!) get wet. An alternative to that is to do what I described in the previous post about using styrene. For me, that is the easiest and gives the best results. You wouldn't have to worry about filling in the grain as plastic has none, unlike wood. Any way you go just take your time and you will end up with a ship you can be very proud of.
In general I use teflon grease for my shafts, but whatever you use dont use wd-40, I've heard it pits metal.
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Sherley,
There are two 'typical' ways of lubricating the drive shafts. One is by filling the tube with grease then inserting the drive shaft, then repeat as needed. The other way is by adding an 'oiler' tube to each stuffing tube. Squirt the grease down the 'oiler' tube as needed.
What kind'a lubricant? Oh boy! You'll get about as many answers to that as the number of people who you ask - lol. The 'best' lubricant is one that's water resistant (doesn't disolve), fairly easy to use, that you can find fairly regularly, doesn't cost an arm'n'leg, and is a pretty color (<--- the important part!).
Noisy stuff...
The only thing to really worry about is a noisy drive train, drive shaft, 'U' joints, stuffing tube. All gear boxes are noisy to some extent, and being not too conserned with noise (who ever heard of a quiet 'real' boat?), performance is the 'biggy'. 'Small' amounts of noise doesn't mean much. 'Big' amounts of noise usually means a binding in the drivetrain somewhere.

Quicksilver,
'WD-40', it's self, doesn't pit metal. But, using it improperly certainly can. It's hydroscopic, meaning that it's possible for it to 'trap' water under it. Not huge bubbles of it, but microscopic bubbles. The biggest problem with using 'WD-40' to lubricate a drive shaft is that it isn't 'gooey' enough to stay put, it'll leak out.

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Old 12-29-2006 | 06:47 PM
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Sherley,
There are two 'typical' ways of lubricating the drive shafts. One is by filling the tube with grease then inserting the drive shaft, then repeat as needed. The other way is by adding an 'oiler' tube to each stuffing tube. Squirt the grease down the 'oiler' tube as needed.
What kind'a lubricant? Oh boy! You'll get about as many answers to that as the number of people who you ask - lol. The 'best' lubricant is one that's water resistant (doesn't disolve), fairly easy to use, that you can find fairly regularly, doesn't cost an arm'n'leg, and is a pretty color (<--- the important part!).
Noisy stuff...
The only thing to really worry about is a noisy drive train, drive shaft, 'U' joints, stuffing tube. All gear boxes are noisy to some extent, and being not too conserned with noise (who ever heard of a quiet 'real' boat?), performance is the 'biggy'. 'Small' amounts of noise doesn't mean much. 'Big' amounts of noise usually means a binding in the drivetrain somewhere.

Quicksilver,
'WD-40', it's self, doesn't pit metal. But, using it improperly certainly can. It's hydroscopic, meaning that it's possible for it to 'trap' water under it. Not huge bubbles of it, but microscopic bubbles. The biggest problem with using 'WD-40' to lubricate a drive shaft is that it isn't 'gooey' enough to stay put, it'll leak out.

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true its viscosity isnt appropriate, also I meant to say lithium grease not teflon..........opps
Old 12-29-2006 | 10:31 PM
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Thanks, guys! I probably show my ignorance as well as the next person... but, the important thing is getting the project built. So, I ask questions.
My forte is the radio half of the equation, along with the "stuff" that makes scale functions look real. I'll be using a Robbe F-14 with (so far) a 12+2 expansion module.
Who knows? There might be a need for more! Like most, I sit around and think of something to add. Over the years, I've grabbed up every geared motor, pump, lamp, and all things electrical that might fit in this project!
So again, thanks for the continuing help! Stay tuned for progress...
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One small piece of obvious advise. I saw a Mr. Darby in my local hobby shop that a customer was selling used for $200. Never having owned an RC boat before, I decided to buy it. After paying for the model on the counter with cash, I proceeded to pick it up by the superstructure and lo and behold, the thing weighed way more than I'd imagined and as the superstructure let go, the hull and 12V. gel cell fell to the floor with a thud!

Now, I have a very nice model to rebuild to my liking. Good luck with yours.[sm=confused_smile.gif]
Old 01-28-2007 | 07:47 AM
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This is why now at my age I limit myself to boats no larger than 36 inches. I hope it didn't get too badly damaged?

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Old 01-29-2007 | 02:52 AM
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Guys,

Yes, the obvious is true. The boat, when properly ballasted, will weigh in excess of 60 pounds. They are monsters to lug around. I have seen guys use hand carts and modify them as trailers to haul the boat and the accessories around. Beats trying to carry one. Me, I just back my truck up as close to the lake as I can..... too damn cheap to buy a cart I guess.


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Old 02-02-2007 | 12:27 AM
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Fortunately the boat didn't damage the shafts or props. I had to replace one rudder. The superstructure however needs a whole new refit. This is good though because the original owner didn't do the boat justice. I plan to read all your excellent suggestions and build a boat that I can be proud of for years to come.

I have the original motors and driveline. Would anyone suggest that I go to the pono system with the four rudders and the nozzles? Is this a big improvment?

Also, where did you guys buy that crane on the rear deck? That's pretty nifty.

B.
Old 02-02-2007 | 01:27 AM
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Check out the 5 ton crane here.
http://www.harbormodels.com/Harborma...ess.htm#Cranes

And call to order the online ordering isn't up to snuff yet.
Old 02-02-2007 | 10:22 PM
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OMG! This site has everything I've been looking for. Thank you fo much for the lead.

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Old 02-03-2007 | 12:10 PM
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Build the super structure back from scratch if you can. I'm building the one from harbor models and I must say that the only thing I plan on using from the kit is the upper cabin house. And I will still have to modifie it just to get it right. The rest is not of usable quality. The plastic blow molded part has a lot of deformed areas that really disipointed me. So just use what you have left as a pattern and enjoy the out come.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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