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kinggeordie 02-13-2011 01:08 PM

help needed please forward dive planes
 
hi i am building a british ww2 t class submarine, the forward dive planes are stowed in the vertical position like the gato submarine, i want to be able to lower them to the horizontal postion and also use them for diving along with the rear ones, does anyone know how to do this or have pictures of theirs or any diagrams

thanks kingg

AQUASUB 02-13-2011 05:06 PM

RE: help needed please forward dive planes
 
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Hi there are several ways to do this operation first what size sub do you have ,what means do have in mind to actuate mechanism,how many chanels to alocate,how much do you want to spend?

I like the hydraulic method as seen in my posts its easy to build and is not expensive smothe and very realistic operation.Then there is the mechanical way its more complex and less flexable in tight areas and can be much more expensive.

Engle makes a mechanism for there subs its a bit costly but works very well.

One could emulate that same system in Tecnkics Legos and if the space is adequate it would do the job very inexpensively as well.

Those are some thoughts that might help.Just remember that it must be robust ,waterproof,low or no maintenance,simple and not cost much,to me its a challenge to make all of those goals from things that are readily available and are not expensive so have fun and see what you might come up with.

Dave



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_hNDRKjMcthough not the same,the method is there,just a diferent mechanism.

Skip Asay 02-13-2011 07:06 PM

RE: help needed please forward dive planes
 
Unfortunately, the British designed folding bow planes don't use a link for folding. It's entirely possible, depending on the size of the boat, to use gears, however. These gears would be rotated via a link to a servo which would be the simplest and cheapest way to go. How to actually activate this is not the biggest problem, however. Keeping everything to scale will be the big hurdle.

Skip Asay

AQUASUB 02-14-2011 05:37 AM

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Hear is the list of Tecknics gears available,these gears are very durable with virtually no free play,bearing blocks and shafts to U joints are also available at super cheap prices,the endless applications of Tecknics to submarines systems is amazing!
Also if your hull does not allow for easy access to the forward section after construction,the mechanical method might not work out well as it is difficult to install in that area and when removing the casing the shafts and rods must re aligned exactly the same.
That is why I go with hydraulics as only the electrical to the "in the wet " gear pump is disconnected,the rest is already installed and is not disturbed.A mixture of hydraulics and mechanical gears is what is made to do the job smoothly ,realistically and very affordable.

http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList...;catString=136

kinggeordie 02-14-2011 10:16 AM

RE: help needed please forward dive planes
 


ORIGINAL: AQUASUB

Hi there are several ways to do this operation first what size sub do you have ,what means do have in mind to actuate mechanism,how many chanels to alocate,how much do you want to spend?

I like the hydraulic method as seen in my posts its easy to build and is not expensive smothe and very realistic operation.Then there is the mechanical way its more complex and less flexable in tight areas and can be much more expensive.

Engle makes a mechanism for there subs its a bit costly but works very well.

One could emulate that same system in Tecnkics Legos and if the space is adequate it would do the job very inexpensively as well.

Those are some thoughts that might help.Just remember that it must be robust ,waterproof,low or no maintenance,simple and not cost much,to me its a challenge to make all of those goals from things that are readily available and are not expensive so have fun and see what you might come up with.

Dave



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_hNDRKjMc though not the same,the method is there,just a diferent mechanism.
thanks interesting video on youtube i like the hydrolic concept

kinggeordie 02-14-2011 10:19 AM

RE: help needed please forward dive planes
 


ORIGINAL: Skip Asay

Unfortunately, the British designed folding bow planes don't use a link for folding. It's entirely possible, depending on the size of the boat, to use gears, however. These gears would be rotated via a link to a servo which would be the simplest and cheapest way to go. How to actually activate this is not the biggest problem, however. Keeping everything to scale will be the big hurdle.

Skip Asay
i think there might have to be a slight deviation with the link, space is not an issue

Skip Asay 02-14-2011 11:49 AM

RE: help needed please forward dive planes
 
Well, if you're willing to deviate from scale, I would do as Dave Merriman did with the 1/72 Revell fleet boat. Just how it's operated is your call but, personally, I would use a servo.

Skip Asay

kinggeordie 02-14-2011 02:06 PM

RE: help needed please forward dive planes
 


ORIGINAL: Skip Asay

Well, if you're willing to deviate from scale, I would do as Dave Merriman did with the 1/72 Revell fleet boat. Just how it's operated is your call but, personally, I would use a servo.

Skip Asay
yeah thanks i will be using servos

kinggeordie 02-14-2011 02:12 PM

RE: help needed please forward dive planes
 


ORIGINAL: AQUASUB

Hear is the list of Tecknics gears available,these gears are very durable with virtually no free play,bearing blocks and shafts to U joints are also available at super cheap prices,the endless applications of Tecknics to submarines systems is amazing!
Also if your hull does not allow for easy access to the forward section after construction, the mechanical method might not work out well as it is difficult to install in that area and when removing the casing the shafts and rods must re aligned exactly the same.
That is why I go with hydraulics as only the electrical to the ''in the wet '' gear pump is disconnected,the rest is already installed and is not disturbed.A mixture of hydraulics and mechanical gears is what is made to do the job smoothly ,realistically and very affordable.

http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList...&catString=136
yep fantastic, thanks i have a few ideas now, them technics uj's are spot on


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