help needed please forward dive planes
02-13-2011 | 01:08 PM
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help needed please forward dive planes
hi i am building a british ww2 t class submarine, the forward dive planes are stowed in the vertical position like the gato submarine, i want to be able to lower them to the horizontal postion and also use them for diving along with the rear ones, does anyone know how to do this or have pictures of theirs or any diagrams
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RE: help needed please forward dive planes
Hi there are several ways to do this operation first what size sub do you have ,what means do have in mind to actuate mechanism,how many chanels to alocate,how much do you want to spend?
I like the hydraulic method as seen in my posts its easy to build and is not expensive smothe and very realistic operation.Then there is the mechanical way its more complex and less flexable in tight areas and can be much more expensive.
Engle makes a mechanism for there subs its a bit costly but works very well.
One could emulate that same system in Tecnkics Legos and if the space is adequate it would do the job very inexpensively as well.
Those are some thoughts that might help.Just remember that it must be robust ,waterproof,low or no maintenance,simple and not cost much,to me its a challenge to make all of those goals from things that are readily available and are not expensive so have fun and see what you might come up with.
Dave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_hNDRKjMcthough not the same,the method is there,just a diferent mechanism.
I like the hydraulic method as seen in my posts its easy to build and is not expensive smothe and very realistic operation.Then there is the mechanical way its more complex and less flexable in tight areas and can be much more expensive.
Engle makes a mechanism for there subs its a bit costly but works very well.
One could emulate that same system in Tecnkics Legos and if the space is adequate it would do the job very inexpensively as well.
Those are some thoughts that might help.Just remember that it must be robust ,waterproof,low or no maintenance,simple and not cost much,to me its a challenge to make all of those goals from things that are readily available and are not expensive so have fun and see what you might come up with.
Dave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_hNDRKjMcthough not the same,the method is there,just a diferent mechanism.
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RE: help needed please forward dive planes
Unfortunately, the British designed folding bow planes don't use a link for folding. It's entirely possible, depending on the size of the boat, to use gears, however. These gears would be rotated via a link to a servo which would be the simplest and cheapest way to go. How to actually activate this is not the biggest problem, however. Keeping everything to scale will be the big hurdle.
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RE: help needed please forward dive planes
Hear is the list of Tecknics gears available,these gears are very durable with virtually no free play,bearing blocks and shafts to U joints are also available at super cheap prices,the endless applications of Tecknics to submarines systems is amazing!
Also if your hull does not allow for easy access to the forward section after construction,the mechanical method might not work out well as it is difficult to install in that area and when removing the casing the shafts and rods must re aligned exactly the same.
That is why I go with hydraulics as only the electrical to the "in the wet " gear pump is disconnected,the rest is already installed and is not disturbed.A mixture of hydraulics and mechanical gears is what is made to do the job smoothly ,realistically and very affordable.
http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList...;catString=136
Also if your hull does not allow for easy access to the forward section after construction,the mechanical method might not work out well as it is difficult to install in that area and when removing the casing the shafts and rods must re aligned exactly the same.
That is why I go with hydraulics as only the electrical to the "in the wet " gear pump is disconnected,the rest is already installed and is not disturbed.A mixture of hydraulics and mechanical gears is what is made to do the job smoothly ,realistically and very affordable.
http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList...;catString=136
02-14-2011 | 10:16 AM
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RE: help needed please forward dive planes
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Hi there are several ways to do this operation first what size sub do you have ,what means do have in mind to actuate mechanism,how many chanels to alocate,how much do you want to spend?
I like the hydraulic method as seen in my posts its easy to build and is not expensive smothe and very realistic operation.Then there is the mechanical way its more complex and less flexable in tight areas and can be much more expensive.
Engle makes a mechanism for there subs its a bit costly but works very well.
One could emulate that same system in Tecnkics Legos and if the space is adequate it would do the job very inexpensively as well.
Those are some thoughts that might help.Just remember that it must be robust ,waterproof,low or no maintenance,simple and not cost much,to me its a challenge to make all of those goals from things that are readily available and are not expensive so have fun and see what you might come up with.
Dave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_hNDRKjMc though not the same,the method is there,just a diferent mechanism.
Hi there are several ways to do this operation first what size sub do you have ,what means do have in mind to actuate mechanism,how many chanels to alocate,how much do you want to spend?
I like the hydraulic method as seen in my posts its easy to build and is not expensive smothe and very realistic operation.Then there is the mechanical way its more complex and less flexable in tight areas and can be much more expensive.
Engle makes a mechanism for there subs its a bit costly but works very well.
One could emulate that same system in Tecnkics Legos and if the space is adequate it would do the job very inexpensively as well.
Those are some thoughts that might help.Just remember that it must be robust ,waterproof,low or no maintenance,simple and not cost much,to me its a challenge to make all of those goals from things that are readily available and are not expensive so have fun and see what you might come up with.
Dave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_hNDRKjMc though not the same,the method is there,just a diferent mechanism.
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RE: help needed please forward dive planes
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Unfortunately, the British designed folding bow planes don't use a link for folding. It's entirely possible, depending on the size of the boat, to use gears, however. These gears would be rotated via a link to a servo which would be the simplest and cheapest way to go. How to actually activate this is not the biggest problem, however. Keeping everything to scale will be the big hurdle.
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Unfortunately, the British designed folding bow planes don't use a link for folding. It's entirely possible, depending on the size of the boat, to use gears, however. These gears would be rotated via a link to a servo which would be the simplest and cheapest way to go. How to actually activate this is not the biggest problem, however. Keeping everything to scale will be the big hurdle.
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Well, if you're willing to deviate from scale, I would do as Dave Merriman did with the 1/72 Revell fleet boat. Just how it's operated is your call but, personally, I would use a servo.
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Well, if you're willing to deviate from scale, I would do as Dave Merriman did with the 1/72 Revell fleet boat. Just how it's operated is your call but, personally, I would use a servo.
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Well, if you're willing to deviate from scale, I would do as Dave Merriman did with the 1/72 Revell fleet boat. Just how it's operated is your call but, personally, I would use a servo.
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RE: help needed please forward dive planes
ORIGINAL: AQUASUB
Hear is the list of Tecknics gears available,these gears are very durable with virtually no free play,bearing blocks and shafts to U joints are also available at super cheap prices,the endless applications of Tecknics to submarines systems is amazing!
Also if your hull does not allow for easy access to the forward section after construction, the mechanical method might not work out well as it is difficult to install in that area and when removing the casing the shafts and rods must re aligned exactly the same.
That is why I go with hydraulics as only the electrical to the ''in the wet '' gear pump is disconnected,the rest is already installed and is not disturbed.A mixture of hydraulics and mechanical gears is what is made to do the job smoothly ,realistically and very affordable.
http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList...&catString=136
Hear is the list of Tecknics gears available,these gears are very durable with virtually no free play,bearing blocks and shafts to U joints are also available at super cheap prices,the endless applications of Tecknics to submarines systems is amazing!
Also if your hull does not allow for easy access to the forward section after construction, the mechanical method might not work out well as it is difficult to install in that area and when removing the casing the shafts and rods must re aligned exactly the same.
That is why I go with hydraulics as only the electrical to the ''in the wet '' gear pump is disconnected,the rest is already installed and is not disturbed.A mixture of hydraulics and mechanical gears is what is made to do the job smoothly ,realistically and very affordable.
http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList...&catString=136
