Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
07-28-2006, 10:32 AM
#7
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2006
Location: FleetHampshire, UNITED KINGDOM
Posts: 384
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
Hi Tomzag,
Any more news on the HL pz3?
Looking forward to getting one of these............something very different
Cheers
CaptB
Any more news on the HL pz3?
Looking forward to getting one of these............something very different
Cheers
CaptB
07-29-2006, 06:09 PM
#8
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
Do you mean one of these?
Panzerkampfwagen III = PzKpfw III
Seriously hope it's not BB shooting as the airsoft barrel (at 6mm) would be way off scale. If it is an airsoft tank, it would be a rather easy fix to remove airsoft mechanism and replace it with a brass or aluminum barrel...
-Harq
Panzerkampfwagen III = PzKpfw III
Seriously hope it's not BB shooting as the airsoft barrel (at 6mm) would be way off scale. If it is an airsoft tank, it would be a rather easy fix to remove airsoft mechanism and replace it with a brass or aluminum barrel...
-Harq
07-29-2006, 07:34 PM
#9
Senior Member
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
I wrote to Murphy at Mato toys, he contacted China and they didn't know. Would like to see it and with an airsoft unit! They can keep the barrel diameter down if they eliminate the outter plastic barrel. They can paint the aluminum one like VS does.
07-29-2006, 07:47 PM
#10
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
Hmm, I didn't consider that, swathdiver.
But the initial version of the PzKpfw III had a small 37mm main gun so that is or was the concern. Later versions were upgunned so I suppose barrel diameter won't be a real issue then. Cannot just dispose of the BB shooting novelty, now can we?
-Harq
But the initial version of the PzKpfw III had a small 37mm main gun so that is or was the concern. Later versions were upgunned so I suppose barrel diameter won't be a real issue then. Cannot just dispose of the BB shooting novelty, now can we?
-Harq
07-29-2006, 07:49 PM
#11
Senior Member
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
ORIGINAL: Harquebus
Cannot just dispose of the BB shooting novelty, now can we?
Cannot just dispose of the BB shooting novelty, now can we?
It's easier to remove the gun and make your own 37mm replica barrel then it is to install an airsoft unit. I think there is a better market for airsoft equipped tanks.
07-29-2006, 09:37 PM
#12
Join Date: May 2006
Location: near montreal,
QC, CANADA
Posts: 686
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
hi ,
if it is airsoft,
would be ugly (turret) , but !!
have the solution since the first post ...
make it flame thrower [&:]
lite up the fire at the club`s meatings.
if it is airsoft,
would be ugly (turret) , but !!
have the solution since the first post ...
make it flame thrower [&:]
lite up the fire at the club`s meatings.
07-30-2006, 03:25 AM
#14
Senior Member
My Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ottawa,
ON, CANADA
Posts: 1,930
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
Harq:
Thats a pic of a Panzer 2. The Pz 3's & Pz. 4's had the distinctive smaller roadwheel-&-bogie sets that can be seen on the Bandai's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_III
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_IV
You wanna call the Ausf A a Pz. 3, go ahead, I call it a prototype, like the T-series tanks were for the US. Just cause the Germans used a different convention for prototypes vs production units doesn't make it a regular unit.
'Nuff Said.
Thats a pic of a Panzer 2. The Pz 3's & Pz. 4's had the distinctive smaller roadwheel-&-bogie sets that can be seen on the Bandai's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_III
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_IV
You wanna call the Ausf A a Pz. 3, go ahead, I call it a prototype, like the T-series tanks were for the US. Just cause the Germans used a different convention for prototypes vs production units doesn't make it a regular unit.
'Nuff Said.
07-31-2006, 07:24 AM
#15
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
WW
Put your foot in your mouth! Harq is correct here, the Ausf A was the P3 pictured.
Reference: http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/panzer3a.htm
Put your foot in your mouth! Harq is correct here, the Ausf A was the P3 pictured.
Reference: http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/panzer3a.htm
08-01-2006, 02:22 AM
#16
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
What, you calling the Harq misinformed!? [X(]
Harq does his research. So I did not picture the definitive PzKpfw III but both heavyaslead and I am correct. It is a pre-series Ausf A. The commander's cupola is the giveaway.
From heavyaslead's site:
"The first prototypes appeared in 1935, and Daimler-Benz was contracted for series productions. Their vehicle, the PzKpfw III Ausf. A, had five road wheels, sprung by coil springs, and two return rollers."
No harm done, though. We're still friends.
-Harq
Harq does his research. So I did not picture the definitive PzKpfw III but both heavyaslead and I am correct. It is a pre-series Ausf A. The commander's cupola is the giveaway.
From heavyaslead's site:
"The first prototypes appeared in 1935, and Daimler-Benz was contracted for series productions. Their vehicle, the PzKpfw III Ausf. A, had five road wheels, sprung by coil springs, and two return rollers."
No harm done, though. We're still friends.
-Harq
08-01-2006, 07:18 AM
#17
Senior Member
My Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ottawa,
ON, CANADA
Posts: 1,930
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
Ah, guys...
From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_III
" The first Panzer III A came off the assembly line in May of 1937, and a total of ten, two of which were unarmed, were produced in 1937. " " Panzer III Ausf A,B,C,D - pre-production models in 1937-1938. 75 produced. " (thats TOTAL of all 4)
A pre-production total of 10 units? When called a 'pre-production unit' (aka a prototype, NOT a production model) and balanced against how many other Pz. 3 chassis used as tanks, StuG's or anything else, I class it just like a US T-series unit - a prototype, nothing more. The only difference is the Germans kept the same name be it prototype or production, the US didn't.
Come on guys... lets be serious about this. I don't consider it a possibility, hence my 'correction'. I don't expect HL to make that 'prototype'. The main reason? It means they have to re-do the suspension to punch out a Pz. 4... when the production style bogies makes it ~easy~ to do.
From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_III
" The first Panzer III A came off the assembly line in May of 1937, and a total of ten, two of which were unarmed, were produced in 1937. " " Panzer III Ausf A,B,C,D - pre-production models in 1937-1938. 75 produced. " (thats TOTAL of all 4)
A pre-production total of 10 units? When called a 'pre-production unit' (aka a prototype, NOT a production model) and balanced against how many other Pz. 3 chassis used as tanks, StuG's or anything else, I class it just like a US T-series unit - a prototype, nothing more. The only difference is the Germans kept the same name be it prototype or production, the US didn't.
Come on guys... lets be serious about this. I don't consider it a possibility, hence my 'correction'. I don't expect HL to make that 'prototype'. The main reason? It means they have to re-do the suspension to punch out a Pz. 4... when the production style bogies makes it ~easy~ to do.
08-01-2006, 08:25 AM
#18
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
WW
You are likely correct that the model will be based off of the later versions of P3.
But the origional assumption by you was that it was a P2 pictured is incorrect, it was a P3 pictured.
Plus do not consider Wikipedia an 'official' source of information.
You are likely correct that the model will be based off of the later versions of P3.
But the origional assumption by you was that it was a P2 pictured is incorrect, it was a P3 pictured.
Plus do not consider Wikipedia an 'official' source of information.
08-01-2006, 07:30 PM
#20
Senior Member
My Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ottawa,
ON, CANADA
Posts: 1,930
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
Eric:
I don't consider a gamer site an accurate source. Wikipedia was just the easiest link to post for a comparison of all three, with images right there at the top. And usually when Wikipedia is wrong, people jump on it, and correct them pretty fast.
I never claimed I was perfect, and never will. I still stand by my statement that that is NOT a Pz. 3... its a prototype.
'Nuff Said.
I don't consider a gamer site an accurate source. Wikipedia was just the easiest link to post for a comparison of all three, with images right there at the top. And usually when Wikipedia is wrong, people jump on it, and correct them pretty fast.
I never claimed I was perfect, and never will. I still stand by my statement that that is NOT a Pz. 3... its a prototype.
'Nuff Said.
08-02-2006, 07:32 AM
#22
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
WW
It is not a wargame site, merely hosted by said name.
Here is the reference list of his sources:
http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/references.htm
The Germans classified it as a P3 not you, so I think their assesment stands.
It is not a wargame site, merely hosted by said name.
Here is the reference list of his sources:
http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/references.htm
The Germans classified it as a P3 not you, so I think their assesment stands.
ORIGINAL: WhiteWolf McBride
Eric:
I don't consider a gamer site an accurate source. Wikipedia was just the easiest link to post for a comparison of all three, with images right there at the top. And usually when Wikipedia is wrong, people jump on it, and correct them pretty fast.
I never claimed I was perfect, and never will. I still stand by my statement that that is NOT a Pz. 3... its a prototype.
'Nuff Said.
Eric:
I don't consider a gamer site an accurate source. Wikipedia was just the easiest link to post for a comparison of all three, with images right there at the top. And usually when Wikipedia is wrong, people jump on it, and correct them pretty fast.
I never claimed I was perfect, and never will. I still stand by my statement that that is NOT a Pz. 3... its a prototype.
'Nuff Said.
08-02-2006, 10:41 AM
#23
Banned
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (-1)
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: HORSHAM, PA,
Posts: 900
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
you got to read all above links.
then you will know Ausf. A is still PzIII.
if you just want to call it prototype, let me ask you: it is a prototype of _____? (fill the blank)
then you will know Ausf. A is still PzIII.
if you just want to call it prototype, let me ask you: it is a prototype of _____? (fill the blank)
08-04-2006, 11:29 AM
#24
My Feedback: (11)
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Northridge, ON, CANADA
Posts: 4,419
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
RE: Henglong 1/16 pz3 prototype is ready.
ORIGINAL: WhiteWolf McBride
Ah, guys...
From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_III
" The first Panzer III A came off the assembly line in May of 1937, and a total of ten, two of which were unarmed, were produced in 1937. " " Panzer III Ausf A,B,C,D - pre-production models in 1937-1938. 75 produced. " (thats TOTAL of all 4)
A pre-production total of 10 units? When called a 'pre-production unit' (aka a prototype, NOT a production model) and balanced against how many other Pz. 3 chassis used as tanks, StuG's or anything else, I class it just like a US T-series unit - a prototype, nothing more. The only difference is the Germans kept the same name be it prototype or production, the US didn't.
Come on guys... lets be serious about this. I don't consider it a possibility, hence my 'correction'. I don't expect HL to make that 'prototype'. The main reason? It means they have to re-do the suspension to punch out a Pz. 4... when the production style bogies makes it ~easy~ to do.
Ah, guys...
From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_III
" The first Panzer III A came off the assembly line in May of 1937, and a total of ten, two of which were unarmed, were produced in 1937. " " Panzer III Ausf A,B,C,D - pre-production models in 1937-1938. 75 produced. " (thats TOTAL of all 4)
A pre-production total of 10 units? When called a 'pre-production unit' (aka a prototype, NOT a production model) and balanced against how many other Pz. 3 chassis used as tanks, StuG's or anything else, I class it just like a US T-series unit - a prototype, nothing more. The only difference is the Germans kept the same name be it prototype or production, the US didn't.
Come on guys... lets be serious about this. I don't consider it a possibility, hence my 'correction'. I don't expect HL to make that 'prototype'. The main reason? It means they have to re-do the suspension to punch out a Pz. 4... when the production style bogies makes it ~easy~ to do.
Panzer III A came off the assembly line in May of 1937, and a total of ten, two of which were unarmed, were produced in 1937. " " Panzer III Ausf A,B,C,D - pre-production models in 1937-1938. 75 produced. " (thats TOTAL of all 4)
Daimler-Benz, Krupp, MAN, and Rheinmetall all produced prototypes. Testing of the prototypes took place in 1936 and 1937, leading to the Daimler-Benz design being chosen for production. The first Panzer III A came off the assembly line in May of 1937, and a total of ten, two of which were unarmed, were produced in 1937. Mass production of the tank, then in model III F, began in 1939.
While this history lesson on the Panzer tanks is quite interesting, it really isn't "ON TOPIC" (I'm now guilty of this too), so I suggest it is returned to the original topic, being the prototype of the model (not modelling of a prototype tank).
