Aslvrfrost98csvt

well time to start another tiger. im going with tiger 332 ive gotten some history on the tank but was only able to find one picture of it if anybody knows where i can find or has a few pics of thte tank i could sure use them for a reference thanks

Miggers

Interesting picture that.

I wouldn't have though much gear was stowed on the engine deck because of all the cooling grilles to keep the Maybach chilled or rolling against the exhausts and getting singed but there we are,photographic evidence.

Was that pic taken in a relatively safe area or on the training grounds?

The reason I ask is because the crew seem pretty relaxed while setting about rescuing their charge from that mudhole they've got it into.

Miggers

Aslvrfrost98csvt

heres where i got the picture i dont think its a traing pic but who knows

http://www.alanhamby.com/gallery4.html

pattoncommander

Pretty obvious looking at the rest of the photos..Kharkov, Russia, a very efficient training ground but playing for keeps. The grilles on the Tigers must have been pretty efficient, as I have seen all kinds of stuff stashed on the back deck. It was common to see fuel drums and a few 20 liter "Jerry cans" back there because they were such gas hogs and supply lines were stretched way out.

chilipiper

I've seen this picture of Tiger I 332, along with a number of others documenting this event, in a book called Der Panzerkampwagen Tiger an der Front Bildband und Tiger Fibel im Bild, ISBN 4-499-22688-0.

I don't know how my LHS comes up with these gems, but I'm glad they do...

uhu

Hi Aslvrfrost98csvt, I'm sure that in some book I've seen a group of pictures of 503's 332 but can't remember..anyway:
Hope it helps a little

uhu

Ooops, missed the last one:

pcomm1

Look in this book: Tigers in Combat I, pages 23 and 163. Author states images are of training recovery, Oct 4, 1943 near Snamenka, Russia. Tamiya makes decals in 1/16 for this tank.

Aslvrfrost98csvt

i ordered the last set from tamiya yesterday

Wight

Great pics,especially the one with it about to stab the bank!!

Wozwasnt

Is it me or is this tank missing it's front road wheels (and I don't just mean the outer one)

fv432

also the last photo in the first set the air filters have been removed[X(][X(]

Aslvrfrost98csvt

thanks for all the pictures guys it will be a big help.

OliverLove

I remember reading that they removed the 1st outter roadwheel during hte muddy season becuase it constantly clogged up.

123Splat

Woz,

I am astounded! Can't believe I got you on this one.....

Common practice, by experienced crews, in muddy or sandy theaters to avoid fouling the treads and drive sprockets, and thus avoid throwing a tread.

uhu

Hi 123Splat
Wozwasnt is right, what attracts his attention is the lack of the inner wheel!! Tiger crews usually removed only the outer wheels, not the complete first pair.....
In this case it seems that they were allowed to remove the outer and inners because it was an exercise in safe ground and high off-road speeds were not intended during this training phase.
Cheers
Jose

Wozwasnt

It was common practice to remove the outer road wheel not the entire front wheel assembly.

123Splat

Curses, foiled again!

Uhu & Woz,
I can not tell from the picture if the inner is gone or not, but I won't dispute the issue. That doesn't look like 'safe ground' to me.
But, it doesn't make sense that they would remove the inners anyway.

Once again Woz, you got me. But one of these days..... (yeah, in my dreams!).

Thanks for the correction, guys. I'm learnin', slow, but learnin'.

Splat

uhu

Hi 123Splat
Apologies for my english, when I said "safe" my intention was to remark that a training area, even near the front, should be considered as protected enough from enemy attacks, thus allowing configurations not recommended in the battlefield. Maybe this concept needs another word instead of "safe", please feel free (you all) to correct my errors indicating the adequate expressions[8D]
Thanks
Jose

Miggers

If you look at some of the pics there are road wheels(the removed ones?) stacked on the engine deck.


Miggs

fv432

it looks like tiger 332 is the type i should model my beast on always gets stuck with bits falling of

123Splat

Uhu,

No appologies needed, my friend. It was I who mis-intrepted what you had said. Ihad assumed that you were saying that the terrain was safe from causing drive problems for the ttacked vehicle. Your points taken.

Still, the question remains, "why would they have gone to all the trouble and possible damage to the suspension arm axle surface to remove the inner wheels?"

Best to you,
Splat

Wozwasnt

Maybe the suspension broke so they had to remove the wheels.

If you look at this picrue you can see that the front road wheels are missing when the tanks still stuck in the mud-



If the suspension broke as it went down the ditch then it'll go front heavy and maybe why it dug itself into the ground.


Miggers
-Funny thing is that if you look carefully at the picture were the tanks got spare wheels on the rear deck, the tank doesn't seem to have any wheels missing as you can all four outer road wheels.

mariomart

They're not road wheels, the lads have just been down the local "Movie Reel Ezy" store and hired Metropolis.

Only problem is, they borrowed dads Tiger and now have to explain how they dinged it.

Cheers Mario

123Splat

Well, if they can just find a car-wash that the kitty will fit into,,, maybe dad will never notice.