i would like to make a new barrel that will shoot black powder but need a way to
remote fire ,. was thinking to have it somewhat like my flint lock but i need to make
a spark, is there something i could get to make this spark with the remote. i am new
with this remote thing so i dont know all the different remote stuff that could be used to
do this .

You need to check with local, State, and Fed laws before you attempt this. Remote control firing devices might raise their eyebrows and lower your freedom of movement.

Trust me Brother don't do it.

I have a means that works very well. However here are the problems.

It is illegal in many states

Black Powder will corrode you electronics

You have no way of knowing just when (not if) your barrel will come apart at about 1000 FPS

Loading is a pain and dangerous.

To much strain on the plastic parts of the turret

Muzzle Brakes fly really really far

It is not that realistic

Don

Agreed I would not do it, plus black powder makes a mess and is corrosive (and you dont want your tank smelling like rotten eggs )
Jonathan

WOW!! that would be sick in a 1/4 scale tank!!!!

12 years in artillery i love the smell of black powder smoke burning, seeing the fire flash shooting out the end of a barrel .
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Modern day artillery like the M198 uses black powder? Don't you mean smokeless powder? O.o

the M198 uses a brass canester witch holds the powder , an m109 has the powder in bags after you ram a shell you put the bags of powder
behind the round , you may put three bags or seven bags ,

Yes but none of them uses black powder. The military hasn't used black powder for ages. So I don't know where you're smelling black powder in the artillery service...unless you fire artillery during Civil War reenactments.

I once seen a 1/6 tiger that had a live firing 9mm.

What unit were you with? Mayhap we met at one time or another. Been around The Hill any? Do fire support for OPFOR there?

<span title="The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition &copy; 2003" class="tabTitle">Columbia Encyclopedia:</span> gunpowder<div class="breadCrumb"><a name="&amp;lid=bc_DS_Columbia Encyclopedia&amp;lpos=bc_Columbia Encyclopedia" href="http://www.answers.com/library/Columbia+Encyclopedia-cid-35781" class="headerfooter">
</a></div><span class="hw">gunpowder,</span> explosive mixture; its most common formula, called "black powder," is a combination of saltpeter, sulfur, and carbon in the form of charcoal.

<h2><span id="Ordnance_ammunition" class="mw-headline">Ordnance ammunition</span></h2><div class="rellink relarticle mainarticle">Main article: Shell (projectile)</div>

Modern artillery ordnance ammunition is generally of two types: separate loading and semi-fixed. Semi-fixed ammunition (rounds) appear in the form of a projectile mated with a cartridge case which contains the propellant and they resemble small arms rounds.</p>

The canister is outfitted with a primer on its base which fires upon contact from the firing pin. Gunpowder, precision machined to burn evenly, is contained inside of cloth bags that are numbered. US/NATO 105mm howitzers use semi-fixed ammunition, containing seven powder bags referred to as increments or charges. Putting the powder in bags allows the howitzer crew to remove the increments when firing at closer targets. The unused increments are disposed of by burning in a powder pit at a safe distance from the guns.</p>

Why don't you google smokeless gun powder? See what the world's military, and basically, all modern firearms have been using all these years?

Sorry to bust your balls, but after all these stories about fakes who claim to be (or have been) in the service, it makes me leery every time someone casually drops in a conversation how they served.

I meet guys like you all the time where I work. They claim to have served too, but they don't even know the basics how to operate an AR-15.

PS: I refuse to believe that a veteran would have such bad spelling and grammar. My 12 year-old niece can type more legibly than this, and she's only in the 6th grade.

I agree with googly, I smell something fishy, The military uses smokeless powder for everything and has since the invention of smokeless powder, we switched after the French with their Lebel rifle and the Germans with the Gew 88 became the first guns to use it, only place you would find a black powder arty piece would be at a Civil War reenactment

You could use a servo pushing on a microswitch that will enlight a glowplug for nitro engine's and that will ignite a fuse to your black powder. I used that on a rc plane many years ago for my bomb drop.
I had it so when the bomb doors opened, it ignited the fuse to bomb and the bomb (that was hangingby the fuse) fell out.

I think I'd use a piezoelectric ignitor, which is commonly found on things like barbecues, the long handled lighters that have triggers to ignite, and so-forth. I'd imagine a servo could push the button and then move the other way to reset the trigger.

Having any sort of ignitor stand up to much pressure and direct heat would be another matter.

Should be able to check local/state laws for cannons. AFAIK, *local to me* cannons used for "report" (no projectile) are not really regulated, if that's all you wanted to do with it.

I'd think any cannon load for report only scaled down, would be possible. But as mentioned, recoil impulse may very well destroy however and whatever it's mounted to.

<chuckle>

Only the die-hard purist uses black powder even for muzzleloading. (That's hunting with a flintlock or percussion rifle for the uninitiated). Even most of us who still run a side-hammered "black powder" rifle use Pyrodex instead of black powder. There is less acid and less moisture retention, which means teh riflings of our rifle don't rust out by the time we get back to the cabin with our kill....

Legalities aside, I can think of a couple of ways to set the powder off. First is the primers for model rockets- resistive wire with a bit of flammable stuff at the peak. You run 6 volts thru it, it goes puff and the powder goes whuf! BTW- black powder and Pyrodex does not explode, it rapidly burns. A rifle with powder or Pyrodex pushes into your shoulder like a shotgun, not punch back like a high power rifle. The other way I can think of is these electrically sparked lighters- they have a button cell and when you push the igniter they go snap, snap, snap. The snap will set off the powder which will go whuf, and everyone is happy.

Of course, I think that even a small amount of Pyrodex would flip a tank arse over tea-kettle not to mention losing the battlefield for a few seconds in the huge cloud of smoke....

I agree, Googly. And I think I recognize the grammar too. The real test of a member of the tooth as opposed to the tail is field strip an AK for me.
OK, dleighty1, I noticed you did not give me the unit you served with. Now, here's a question or two. 12 years in arty, so who was your shirt? Who was your CO? What is a red leg? What is a pig? And what unit did you serve with? Real quick, now, this is a pop quiz.
Just curious is all. I'm kinda like googly..too many lads running around saying they served, and can't describe an AR or M16, and don't know how to release the mag from an AK or HK. You answer those questions for me, now there's a good lad, and then I'll tell you the trick I use when in USA for them's that is braggin' in bars.
And brush up on your grammar. This 18 and 19 year old foolishness of "computer English" don't cut it in the real world.

He he ... I must be the only one here that knows where the 'speck chell' is and how to use it. [sm=lol.gif]


- Jeff

We'll fire all the Korean-war era stuff until we finally get to shoot MACS (Modular Artillery Charge System). Our Paladins will be upgraded this summer on the AFCS (Automated Fire Control System) to PDFCS (Paladin Digital Fire Control System) so that we can shoot MACS and Excaliber in addition to the new DAGRs (GPS). Typically Green Bag, White Bag, Red Bag and Charge 8 Super (cardboard tube) is "stick" powder. About half an inch in length, and small holes that run through the middle of the chord for burn efficiency. Green/White Bag will typically run in five increments. Charges 1&2 together, the rest separate. Green goes up to five, White bag to seven. Red Bag looks like a big hot dog. Normally the minimum charge you can fire is 3 Green Bag. The round looks like a softball coming out the barrel.

I've had my HMMWV windshield broken when running the chronograph next to a gun in NTC (dumb lieutenant move). Always a good time when firing RAP (rocket assisted projectile) out to 30K though

Although we have 777's running around up here, I've never seen them during a live-fire.

Here's a pic of my buddy this morning at Mow way house at Ft. Sill. M119.

I shoot black powder rifles in competition, and the one thing I have learned over many years is it can be unpredictable! Lost a good friend in Utah because of it! do not attemp using it in manner it is not made to use, somebody will get hurt!

Gee, golly....I guess you caught me, too. I can't do any of that stuff....oh, wait! I was in the Canadian Armed Forces! I used an FN-C1 (which has 88 different places to open a beer bottle) and an FN-C2 (which has 117 places to open a beer bottle), we had deuce-and-a-halfs (or deuces for short), and our rounds were Nato standard 7.62's instead of that wimpy US 5.56 crap (sorry, but it's true!). I've got 3 years as a CAF certified Cadet Instructor and have graduated then taught SLC the cadet course based on the CAF OCTP course, 3 years of Reserves with 735 Comm Regt where all the officers bear-walked and my TQ1a was teletype. I did my BMT/GMT training with Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders at Minto Armories in Winnipeg, where I in secret taught the corporals how to teach us basic drill (since I was NCO-IC Drill, Drill Team, Color Party, Leadership, and Instructional Techniques in my cadet squadron at the same time). My winter indocterenation was during the coldest spell of the winter, where we had to hunker down in snow banks in "high"'s of -40. I also had to do the six-minute mile in full combats with my FN-C1 and a full 75lb pack. I also sent and received Morse at 40wpm cypher (not plain language) and in the civvie side I got my RGMC (Radio General Marine Certificate), the only radio license you can get in Canada that is recognized world-wide. I gave up my reserve commission to join the Reg Forces in Artillery and unfortunately was out a few weeks later due to a medical discharge. However; due to my work both with Air Cadets and working in Reserves, I am considered a veteran and have a membership to the Canadian Legions to prove it.

I also wear red on Fridays for ALL of our troops overseas, and I am currently still wearing my poppy.... so, do I pass?

But you are right- give an idiot a computer and an internet connection, and he is instantly an "expert" in any field he wants to be.....until someone like you calls him up on it. Not that I'm calling anyone on this forum an idiot- I am talking in generalities....

It certainly is a dishonour to impersonate (or claim to be an "expert") ANYONE who served in a uniform for their country, for a many of them gave their lives to do so.


- Jeff

You could not have said it better!
Jonathan

Some of these posts "crack me up"......................This is a hobby forum for christ sake,not an english class. I too have bad grammer and my spelling is not the best,but does that really matter here on a forum where we are talking about and playing with toys.[:-][:-][:-]

We have to remember we have members from around the world and from all walks of life here.I take my hat off to those who post here where they are from a non english speaking country and yet still post here showing their work and doing a pretty good job with their writing in english.I know I could not do the same trying to write anything in their native tongue.Even here in the USA there is big difference in how english is used and pronounced depending on what part of this country you live in.

We have many,many,many thousands of men here in the USA who are ex-military and active military from all branches of service and most all would have stories to tell of one sort or other.For me I was in the Navy and aboard three different ships over a four year period and was a member of a deck gun crew on all three ships.There are thousands of ex-navy men who were in deck gun crews,they are just not posting here on this hobby forum.I would not even be able to guess how many men have been involved in firing a howwitzer of one size or class of one sort.Does it realy matter that much other than just being used in a general conversation
or telling a story here.[:-][:-]

The question was how to fire a black powder charge using a simple sparking device.I had posted a simular post way back when I first became a member here.I had also pondered the idea of using a small black powder charge to simulate the cannon fire and to get a nice sound out of it.I would also caution one doing this for several reasons..................This is a different world we live in today and depending on where you live you could find yourself being arrested and in a real can of worms.And yes Black powder can be very dangerouse to play around with if you don't know what you are doing.Static electricity in itself can set it off,it is not to be taken lightly when handling this type powder.Doing this can be done but with the limited ammount of room in a toy tank and the fact of all the trouble to build what is needed to do the job in this small tank and then what is involved to reload for the next shot in my opinion would be more trouble than it's worth.

Also being an open forum where kids have access to this I would be reluctant to post a how to .............detail here.


BIGMIG

P.S. Being one who has reloaded many many thousands of rounds (rifle,pistol,and shotgun).........if you are detirmend to follow up on this and you do not have much experience with various powders I would reccomend you go to a sporting goods store where they sell firearms and get yourself a copy of "the shooter's Bible" and do some reading up on some of the Do's and Don'ts when using
gun powder's of one sort or other.There is a lot of info on powders and what and how they were designed to be used.
Be safe............................................BI GMIG