Worst tank of WWII
03-05-2010, 07:46 PM
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RE: Worst tank of WWII
Worst tank of WW2? For me it would have to the late-model British cruiser tanks like the Crusader. There were poorer tanks out there for sure, but they were inferior due to their vintage (the Italian tanks), by design (the German tanks like the PzI and PzII) or because there were intentional stop gaps (the US Grants etc).
The Crusader was crap due to out-dated thinking and political in-fighting.
The Crusader still used riveted construction, mounted the weak 2pdr gun (why must he British insist on naming their weapons after he weight of the shell?!) and had armor that was no better than it's predecessors.
It had stupid little MG turrets that gassed their gunners from their own MG fumes.
Despite being based on Christie suspension, it had worse off-road performance that most of it's contemporaries and was infamously unreliable. The fact that the British proudly fielded such a terrible tank as their MBT in 42/43 cannot be defended. It says a great deal that they were all left behind in Africa.
A close second must be the Churchill tank - a dinosaur. Sponson-mounted hull guns in 1940?! Did British tank development just stop in 1918?
The Crusader was crap due to out-dated thinking and political in-fighting.
The Crusader still used riveted construction, mounted the weak 2pdr gun (why must he British insist on naming their weapons after he weight of the shell?!) and had armor that was no better than it's predecessors.
It had stupid little MG turrets that gassed their gunners from their own MG fumes.
Despite being based on Christie suspension, it had worse off-road performance that most of it's contemporaries and was infamously unreliable. The fact that the British proudly fielded such a terrible tank as their MBT in 42/43 cannot be defended. It says a great deal that they were all left behind in Africa.
A close second must be the Churchill tank - a dinosaur. Sponson-mounted hull guns in 1940?! Did British tank development just stop in 1918?
03-05-2010, 10:00 PM
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RE: Worst tank of WWII
Not since Post #42 in this thread have I heard such military insight and logic, and heard it so well stated.
Panzerfaust77, You Sir are a genius!
I think we're the first two people to agree on a tank. Do we win a Tamiya of our choice from Karen/Girltankette?
Mike.
Panzerfaust77, You Sir are a genius!
I think we're the first two people to agree on a tank. Do we win a Tamiya of our choice from Karen/Girltankette?
Mike.
03-06-2010, 11:15 AM
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RE: Worst tank of WWII
ORIGINAL: Spitvalve
Not since Post #42 in this thread have I heard such military insight and logic, and heard it so well stated.
Panzerfaust77, You Sir are a genius!
I think we're the first two people to agree on a tank. Do we win a Tamiya of our choice from Karen/Girltankette?
Mike.
Not since Post #42 in this thread have I heard such military insight and logic, and heard it so well stated.
Panzerfaust77, You Sir are a genius!
I think we're the first two people to agree on a tank. Do we win a Tamiya of our choice from Karen/Girltankette?
Mike.
03-06-2010, 02:11 PM
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RE: Worst tank of WWII
ORIGINAL: Panzerfaust77
Worst tank of WW2? For me it would have to the late-model British cruiser tanks like the Crusader. There were poorer tanks out there for sure, but they were inferior due to their vintage (the Italian tanks), by design (the German tanks like the PzI and PzII) or because there were intentional stop gaps (the US Grants etc).
The Crusader was crap due to out-dated thinking and political in-fighting.
The Crusader still used riveted construction, mounted the weak 2pdr gun (why must he British insist on naming their weapons after he weight of the shell?!) and had armor that was no better than it's predecessors.
It had stupid little MG turrets that gassed their gunners from their own MG fumes.
Despite being based on Christie suspension, it had worse off-road performance that most of it's contemporaries and was infamously unreliable. The fact that the British proudly fielded such a terrible tank as their MBT in 42/43 cannot be defended. It says a great deal that they were all left behind in Africa.
A close second must be the Churchill tank - a dinosaur. Sponson-mounted hull guns in 1940?! Did British tank development just stop in 1918?
Worst tank of WW2? For me it would have to the late-model British cruiser tanks like the Crusader. There were poorer tanks out there for sure, but they were inferior due to their vintage (the Italian tanks), by design (the German tanks like the PzI and PzII) or because there were intentional stop gaps (the US Grants etc).
The Crusader was crap due to out-dated thinking and political in-fighting.
The Crusader still used riveted construction, mounted the weak 2pdr gun (why must he British insist on naming their weapons after he weight of the shell?!) and had armor that was no better than it's predecessors.
It had stupid little MG turrets that gassed their gunners from their own MG fumes.
Despite being based on Christie suspension, it had worse off-road performance that most of it's contemporaries and was infamously unreliable. The fact that the British proudly fielded such a terrible tank as their MBT in 42/43 cannot be defended. It says a great deal that they were all left behind in Africa.
A close second must be the Churchill tank - a dinosaur. Sponson-mounted hull guns in 1940?! Did British tank development just stop in 1918?
I really enjoyed your insight here, I must honestly say that British tanks have never been my forte' but it has made me want to learn more about them, which was what I was hoping to gain when I started the thread. Healthy opinions expressed and clearly communicated, very often encourage others to do more research, including myself. Thanks again. Sorry no tank from AAF
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I really enjoyed your insight here, I must honestly say that British tanks have never been my forte' but it has made me want to learn more about them, which was what I was hoping to gain when I started the thread. Healthy opinions expressed and clearly communicated, very often encourage others to do more research, including myself. Thanks again. Sorry no tank from AAF[img][/img]
I really enjoyed your insight here, I must honestly say that British tanks have never been my forte' but it has made me want to learn more about them, which was what I was hoping to gain when I started the thread. Healthy opinions expressed and clearly communicated, very often encourage others to do more research, including myself. Thanks again. Sorry no tank from AAF[img][/img]
Revisionist make a big deal about the inferiority of the German tanks that hit France in may '40 but THIS is what the BEF had to face them with!
