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04-02-2010 | 01:50 PM
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in need of some bits...
im in need of some small bits if anyone can help me out i need a singe turret door from a panzer iii(h)/panzer iv(the larger door handel,left)
and a turret front plate from the panzer iii late( im coverting the tauchpanzer into a standard ausf h i need the front plate without the tauchpanzer parts)
both small bits i dont really want to order 2 different turrets to steal bits from
and a turret front plate from the panzer iii late( im coverting the tauchpanzer into a standard ausf h i need the front plate without the tauchpanzer parts)
both small bits i dont really want to order 2 different turrets to steal bits from
04-02-2010 | 05:44 PM
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Daisycutter,
I'd be interested to know how you're "De-Tauching" the Tauchpanzer III. I'm preparing to mod a HL Tauchpanzer III to replicate an ausf H from Barbarossa in the Leningrad area.
My assessment of De-Tauching would be to do the following:
a) Remove the water proofing bracket around the gun mantle
b) Remove the water proofing bracket around the hull machine gun
c) Remove the back palte for the wading exhaust and replace with a muffler set from a Ausf L. I think that the "dozer" blade present on the ausf L should be deleted
I'm wondering if it would be feasible to perform a) and b) with a dremel tool?
Frank
I'd be interested to know how you're "De-Tauching" the Tauchpanzer III. I'm preparing to mod a HL Tauchpanzer III to replicate an ausf H from Barbarossa in the Leningrad area.
My assessment of De-Tauching would be to do the following:
a) Remove the water proofing bracket around the gun mantle
b) Remove the water proofing bracket around the hull machine gun
c) Remove the back palte for the wading exhaust and replace with a muffler set from a Ausf L. I think that the "dozer" blade present on the ausf L should be deleted
I'm wondering if it would be feasible to perform a) and b) with a dremel tool?
Frank
04-02-2010 | 06:52 PM
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knowing what to do is easy..pulling it off is the real trick
the ausf h seemed to lack the air deflector,the hardest part about the rear is the complex baffle thats there on earlier models rather than the simple mesh on the ausf l, oh and the smoke launchers most of the tricky parts to mod are up the tanks rear
i want an ausf l front plate to save the greif of trying to sand off that bolted flange and glue monkey killed the detail on one of my turret doors
the ausf h seemed to lack the air deflector,the hardest part about the rear is the complex baffle thats there on earlier models rather than the simple mesh on the ausf l, oh and the smoke launchers most of the tricky parts to mod are up the tanks rear
i want an ausf l front plate to save the greif of trying to sand off that bolted flange and glue monkey killed the detail on one of my turret doors
04-02-2010 | 06:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: daisycutter redux
knowing what to do is easy..pulling it off is the real trick
the ausf h seemed to lack the air deflector,the hardest part about the rear is the complex baffle thats there on earlier models rather than the simple mesh on the ausf l, oh and the smoke launchers most of the tricky parts to mod are up the tanks rear
i want an ausf l front plate to save the greif of trying to sand off that bolted flange and glue monkey killed the detail on one of my turret doors
knowing what to do is easy..pulling it off is the real trick
the ausf h seemed to lack the air deflector,the hardest part about the rear is the complex baffle thats there on earlier models rather than the simple mesh on the ausf l, oh and the smoke launchers most of the tricky parts to mod are up the tanks rear
i want an ausf l front plate to save the greif of trying to sand off that bolted flange and glue monkey killed the detail on one of my turret doors
Also, I didn't think any of the HL PZ III's had the rear smoke launcher modeled
04-02-2010 | 11:05 PM
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Most of the Tauchpz s were used in Russia as "deep wading tanks" so most of the stuff in the hull was left as is...especially the exhaust.
Might want to get a couple photos and model after that one tank.
Might want to get a couple photos and model after that one tank.
04-03-2010 | 08:06 AM
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not all ausf h were converted as tauchpanzers a number were built as standard tanks and others were given tropen modification to serve in the desert(engine vents,stowage for water etc)
im baffled why HL chose to model a tauchpanzer over a straight early
im baffled why HL chose to model a tauchpanzer over a straight early
04-03-2010 | 11:24 AM
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My plan is two model two tanks for a historical encounter in the Leningrad region, Aug '41. One will be a KV-1e no. 864 commanded by Zinoviy Kolobanov, whose tank destroyed 23 panzers in this engagement outside Krasnogvardeisk. The panzers were from the Army Group North, 8 panzer division. The info I've studied said the unit Kolobanov engaged was primarily Pz II's and III's. It's not clear any Ausf H's were involved, but realistically that would have been the only model with the chance of taking out a KV-1
The tauchpanzer III's were used (exclusively?) by the 18th panzer division, Army Group Center, that were available in the initial Barbarossa invasion. They were used in submersible mode to cross the Bug River in Poland. The 8th Pz Division advanced thru Bryansk and ultimately south of Moscow to Tula.
So it doesn't appear any Tauchpanzers could have possibly been involved in Kolobanov's engagement. For now anyway, that's my logic for converting the HL Tauchpanzer III to a standard Pz III H.
Frank
The tauchpanzer III's were used (exclusively?) by the 18th panzer division, Army Group Center, that were available in the initial Barbarossa invasion. They were used in submersible mode to cross the Bug River in Poland. The 8th Pz Division advanced thru Bryansk and ultimately south of Moscow to Tula.
So it doesn't appear any Tauchpanzers could have possibly been involved in Kolobanov's engagement. For now anyway, that's my logic for converting the HL Tauchpanzer III to a standard Pz III H.
Frank
04-03-2010 | 12:54 PM
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ORIGINAL: fsciorelli
My plan is two model two tanks for a historical encounter in the Leningrad region, Aug '41. One will be a KV-1e no. 864 commanded by Zinoviy Kolobanov, whose tank destroyed 23 panzers in this engagement outside Krasnogvardeisk. The panzers were from the Army Group North, 8 panzer division. The info I've studied said the unit Kolobanov engaged was primarily Pz II's and III's. It's not clear any Ausf H's were involved, but realistically that would have been the only model with the chance of taking out a KV-1
The tauchpanzer III's were used (exclusively?) by the 18th panzer division, Army Group Center, that were available in the initial Barbarossa invasion. They were used in submersible mode to cross the Bug River in Poland. The 8th Pz Division advanced thru Bryansk and ultimately south of Moscow to Tula.
So it doesn't appear any Tauchpanzers could have possibly been involved in Kolobanov's engagement. For now anyway, that's my logic for converting the HL Tauchpanzer III to a standard Pz III H.
Frank
My plan is two model two tanks for a historical encounter in the Leningrad region, Aug '41. One will be a KV-1e no. 864 commanded by Zinoviy Kolobanov, whose tank destroyed 23 panzers in this engagement outside Krasnogvardeisk. The panzers were from the Army Group North, 8 panzer division. The info I've studied said the unit Kolobanov engaged was primarily Pz II's and III's. It's not clear any Ausf H's were involved, but realistically that would have been the only model with the chance of taking out a KV-1
The tauchpanzer III's were used (exclusively?) by the 18th panzer division, Army Group Center, that were available in the initial Barbarossa invasion. They were used in submersible mode to cross the Bug River in Poland. The 8th Pz Division advanced thru Bryansk and ultimately south of Moscow to Tula.
So it doesn't appear any Tauchpanzers could have possibly been involved in Kolobanov's engagement. For now anyway, that's my logic for converting the HL Tauchpanzer III to a standard Pz III H.
Frank
Frank,
Just out of curiosity, why didn't you buy the regular PZIII? I would like to see some pics of your tanks though. Both the PZIII and the KV-1. At first I used to think the KV was an ugly tank, but it has grown on me quit a bit. I'm even thinking of getting one ( with my meager $ that says alot)
Jim
04-03-2010 | 01:32 PM
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there are lots of parts on the tauchpanzer (ausf h) that would be a swine to scratch onto an ausf l and its a later hl offering than the ausf l so the details better(working turret hatches etc)
04-03-2010 | 01:57 PM
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Frank,
Just out of curiosity, why didn't you buy the regular PZIII? I would like to see some pics of your tanks though. Both the PZIII and the KV-1. At first I used to think the KV was an ugly tank, but it has grown on me quit a bit. I'm even thinking of getting one ( with my meager $ that says alot)
Jim
ORIGINAL: fsciorelli
My plan is two model two tanks for a historical encounter in the Leningrad region, Aug '41. One will be a KV-1e no. 864 commanded by Zinoviy Kolobanov, whose tank destroyed 23 panzers in this engagement outside Krasnogvardeisk. The panzers were from the Army Group North, 8 panzer division. The info I've studied said the unit Kolobanov engaged was primarily Pz II's and III's. It's not clear any Ausf H's were involved, but realistically that would have been the only model with the chance of taking out a KV-1
The tauchpanzer III's were used (exclusively?) by the 18th panzer division, Army Group Center, that were available in the initial Barbarossa invasion. They were used in submersible mode to cross the Bug River in Poland. The 8th Pz Division advanced thru Bryansk and ultimately south of Moscow to Tula.
So it doesn't appear any Tauchpanzers could have possibly been involved in Kolobanov's engagement. For now anyway, that's my logic for converting the HL Tauchpanzer III to a standard Pz III H.
Frank
My plan is two model two tanks for a historical encounter in the Leningrad region, Aug '41. One will be a KV-1e no. 864 commanded by Zinoviy Kolobanov, whose tank destroyed 23 panzers in this engagement outside Krasnogvardeisk. The panzers were from the Army Group North, 8 panzer division. The info I've studied said the unit Kolobanov engaged was primarily Pz II's and III's. It's not clear any Ausf H's were involved, but realistically that would have been the only model with the chance of taking out a KV-1
The tauchpanzer III's were used (exclusively?) by the 18th panzer division, Army Group Center, that were available in the initial Barbarossa invasion. They were used in submersible mode to cross the Bug River in Poland. The 8th Pz Division advanced thru Bryansk and ultimately south of Moscow to Tula.
So it doesn't appear any Tauchpanzers could have possibly been involved in Kolobanov's engagement. For now anyway, that's my logic for converting the HL Tauchpanzer III to a standard Pz III H.
Frank
Frank,
Just out of curiosity, why didn't you buy the regular PZIII? I would like to see some pics of your tanks though. Both the PZIII and the KV-1. At first I used to think the KV was an ugly tank, but it has grown on me quit a bit. I'm even thinking of getting one ( with my meager $ that says alot)
Jim
The Tauchpanzer is an Ausf H model. The "regular" PZ III is an ausf L model. For the engagement I would like to reproduce the L model was not yet in service. There are quite a few differences between the two models and the Ausf H is more accurate for August '41
I'm working on income tax return today. When I've got a minute I can snap a picure (although the KV-1 is partially in pieces). I have the KV-1e, a Pz III H Tauchpanzer, and the PZ III L.
I actually have plans for two PZ III's based on the Ausf L. One of the planned options is an Ausf L with winterketten from winter 42'-43'. The other planned option is a Pz III ausf N with the short 75 mm, and turret schurzen in Italian service
Frank
04-03-2010 | 01:59 PM
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ORIGINAL: daisycutter redux
there are lots of parts on the tauchpanzer (ausf h) that would be a swine to scratch onto an ausf l and its a later hl offering than the ausf l so the details better(working turret hatches etc)
there are lots of parts on the tauchpanzer (ausf h) that would be a swine to scratch onto an ausf l and its a later hl offering than the ausf l so the details better(working turret hatches etc)
Forgive me for asking, but whats a "swine" in this context? PITA?
Frank
04-03-2010 | 06:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: fsciorelli
Jim
The Tauchpanzer is an Ausf H model. The ''regular'' PZ III is an ausf L model. For the engagement I would like to reproduce the L model was not yet in service. There are quite a few differences between the two models and the Ausf H is more accurate for August '41
I'm working on income tax return today. When I've got a minute I can snap a picure (although the KV-1 is partially in pieces). I have the KV-1e, a Pz III H Tauchpanzer, and the PZ III L.
I actually have plans for two PZ III's based on the Ausf L. One of the planned options is an Ausf L with winterketten from winter 42'-43'. The other planned option is a Pz III ausf N with the short 75 mm, and turret schurzen in Italian service
Frank
ORIGINAL: 1sgt
Frank,
Just out of curiosity, why didn't you buy the regular PZIII? I would like to see some pics of your tanks though. Both the PZIII and the KV-1. At first I used to think the KV was an ugly tank, but it has grown on me quit a bit. I'm even thinking of getting one ( with my meager $ that says alot)
Jim
ORIGINAL: fsciorelli
My plan is two model two tanks for a historical encounter in the Leningrad region, Aug '41. One will be a KV-1e no. 864 commanded by Zinoviy Kolobanov, whose tank destroyed 23 panzers in this engagement outside Krasnogvardeisk. The panzers were from the Army Group North, 8 panzer division. The info I've studied said the unit Kolobanov engaged was primarily Pz II's and III's. It's not clear any Ausf H's were involved, but realistically that would have been the only model with the chance of taking out a KV-1
The tauchpanzer III's were used (exclusively?) by the 18th panzer division, Army Group Center, that were available in the initial Barbarossa invasion. They were used in submersible mode to cross the Bug River in Poland. The 8th Pz Division advanced thru Bryansk and ultimately south of Moscow to Tula.
So it doesn't appear any Tauchpanzers could have possibly been involved in Kolobanov's engagement. For now anyway, that's my logic for converting the HL Tauchpanzer III to a standard Pz III H.
Frank
My plan is two model two tanks for a historical encounter in the Leningrad region, Aug '41. One will be a KV-1e no. 864 commanded by Zinoviy Kolobanov, whose tank destroyed 23 panzers in this engagement outside Krasnogvardeisk. The panzers were from the Army Group North, 8 panzer division. The info I've studied said the unit Kolobanov engaged was primarily Pz II's and III's. It's not clear any Ausf H's were involved, but realistically that would have been the only model with the chance of taking out a KV-1
The tauchpanzer III's were used (exclusively?) by the 18th panzer division, Army Group Center, that were available in the initial Barbarossa invasion. They were used in submersible mode to cross the Bug River in Poland. The 8th Pz Division advanced thru Bryansk and ultimately south of Moscow to Tula.
So it doesn't appear any Tauchpanzers could have possibly been involved in Kolobanov's engagement. For now anyway, that's my logic for converting the HL Tauchpanzer III to a standard Pz III H.
Frank
Frank,
Just out of curiosity, why didn't you buy the regular PZIII? I would like to see some pics of your tanks though. Both the PZIII and the KV-1. At first I used to think the KV was an ugly tank, but it has grown on me quit a bit. I'm even thinking of getting one ( with my meager $ that says alot)
Jim
The Tauchpanzer is an Ausf H model. The ''regular'' PZ III is an ausf L model. For the engagement I would like to reproduce the L model was not yet in service. There are quite a few differences between the two models and the Ausf H is more accurate for August '41
I'm working on income tax return today. When I've got a minute I can snap a picure (although the KV-1 is partially in pieces). I have the KV-1e, a Pz III H Tauchpanzer, and the PZ III L.
I actually have plans for two PZ III's based on the Ausf L. One of the planned options is an Ausf L with winterketten from winter 42'-43'. The other planned option is a Pz III ausf N with the short 75 mm, and turret schurzen in Italian service
Frank
Frank,
There's a pic of a PZIII inSchuzern ( both turrt and body) ready for thr battle of Kursk. I think That is the best looking tank yet. I'll try and find the pic if your interested
Jim
05-02-2010 | 12:20 PM
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Need some input for removing some of the Tauchpanzer features, namely the flanges around the bow machine gun and the main gun mantlet. I have the following tools: razor saw, exacto knives, dremel tool with accessories. Appreciate any input. Not against buying any new tools/gadgets.
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Frank
05-02-2010 | 02:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: fsciorelli
Need some input for removing some of the Tauchpanzer features, namely the flanges around the bow machine gun and the main gun mantlet. I have the following tools: razor saw, exacto knives, dremel tool with accessories. Appreciate any input. Not against buying any new tools/gadgets.
Frank
Need some input for removing some of the Tauchpanzer features, namely the flanges around the bow machine gun and the main gun mantlet. I have the following tools: razor saw, exacto knives, dremel tool with accessories. Appreciate any input. Not against buying any new tools/gadgets.
Frank
Frank,
Here's the pic I was talking about. I think it's the best looking PZ III out there.
Jim
05-02-2010 | 02:20 PM
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Hey Jim,
Thanks for the figure. I'm considering building an Italian PzIII N that would look very similar to the figure you sent except no schurzen on the lower hull, just on the turret
Frank
Thanks for the figure. I'm considering building an Italian PzIII N that would look very similar to the figure you sent except no schurzen on the lower hull, just on the turret
Frank
05-02-2010 | 02:43 PM
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Frank,
That would be cool, hope you take pics. also, the pic does show that the PZ III had three color camo. Just a point of order to some other contributors.
Jim
That would be cool, hope you take pics. also, the pic does show that the PZ III had three color camo. Just a point of order to some other contributors.
Jim
