AERO-MATE

hi,Panther G
I like Tiger 1 myself, so I made it. Sherman M4 maybe our next project, how about that?

Jack
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philipat

well, one should do what they enjoy in this hobby.

hgpilot

They sent me an email about the price and options offered and all Ican say about that is simple:

They are out of their minds with that price for a 1/16 scale tiger!. There is no way something like that is worth that much. Ican see spending it for 1/8th scale but no way does that price justify that tank.


This makes more sense.
http://www.rcarmory.com/kit_tiger1.html

AERO-MATE

Hi，hgpilot

Price is a senstive topic. 1/16 or 1/8 is a choice。
There is an AERO-MATE Tiger I arriving USA. You may take a close look at it. I think it can change something.

Jack

herrmill

Jack, I would presume your local market potential in China is quite good, especially among those young emperors who have more than enough money to play with.

Regarding your next subject why not do something not currently available like a British tank? Wasn't there already a 1:16 all metal Sherman from another factory near Guangzhou?

Tanque

I always find it amusing when I read declarations such as that. There just so much you might read into that statement. It just always comes across as "Wahhhh I can't afford that, no fair"

If you have to say it, couch it more appropriately as a previous poster did: " that's out of my price range " or words to that effect.
"There is no way something like that is worth that much." diminishes the accomplishment and judgment of someone else.

I didn't visit the local Audi showroom Saturday and exclaim at the Silver R8 they had there: "There is no way something like that is worth that much." I'm certain I would have been escorted from the premises, perhaps not if I had exclaimed "Wahhhh I can't afford that, no fair", they would have been too busy laughing themselves silly.

Jerry

hgpilot

Oh I love the fact that people out there think they know what I can afford and not afford based on a post.
Whats even more funny is how your comparing an Audi with a 1/16 scale tank that's way over priced.

I don't care what you say or what you assume the bottom line is it's priced too high for what it is and that's the bottom line.

Sure it's a nice tank and they did a fine job on building it but 2100 doesn't even include an RTR (ready to run) tank.

Now if they had it priced for say around 1200 then yeah I could see that for a 1/16th but again 2100 for a partial model? yeah that's NUTS! and obviously priced for suckers and I'm not one of them.

I guess some people in the world price their products based on knowing stupid people will pay anything just to have one so go ahead and have at it and pay that price, I'm sure you'll be very happy and then when you get it think how you'll have to spend a few more hundred to get it rolling...

Oh and uh if I go into ANY car dealer and tell them one of their models is over priced well guess what 99.999% of the salesman will do buddy? they will tell you *Ok we'll see what we can work out* or something to the effect and not escort you out of the building. They need to make the sale homey and if I flash a suitcase full of cash in front of them and tell them I will give them much less in CASH they will sell the car in a heartbeat!

Now, you said what you did and I said what I did and it still won't change the price. That price is ridiculous no matter how you slice it Mr!.

hgpilot

If it changes the price considerably then I might look at it but if you think looking at the model will change my mind about the parcial price of 2100 then your wrong. As Isaid in my last post to Mr know it all I'm not a sucker!.

Now I am not posting anymore here about this topic so you guys go ahead and fire away cause it still wont change the facts people!.

Cheers!
~A~

AERO-MATE

Hi, hgpilot
Very pleased that you think our tank is nice. And I personallyhope you will give us more advice, suchlikedetails/electronics etc.
We do have astaticKit. You may be interesting at this.
Thanks to remind us to consider more about sale price when developing a new 1/16 tank.

Best Regards
Jack

rivetcounter

I have had a look at all the available pictures of this Tiger on various web sites and to be honest 1480€ doesn’t seem a lot for a model that has been built to this spec, the problem comes when people try to compare a fully CNC machined fully detailed metal self-assembled model with a poorly copied Heng Long that is basically a toy when one does this then a 100€ toy will make a scale replica selling for 1480€ seem expensive, there are a number of people who have gone to great expense and spent hundreds of hours trying to make the Heng Long Tiger look something like realistic some of these people have spent in excess of 1000€ and still don’t have anything as well detailed
There is a lot of pure ignorance over the work involved in producing this Tiger CNC programs don’t write themselves this takes time and more time to correct, setting up machines also takes time ask any machinist and they will tell you the first one is the most expensive and there after the more you make the less they cost, tolerance’s have to be factored into engineering and a 1/16 scale model will have much tighter tolerance’s than a 1/6 scale model making 1/16 parts much more expensive to produce, I think it will sell as it’s an outstanding precision model though not in container loads like cheap toys with wobbly wheels and a recoil that can almost do a back flip

Tanque

Ummm please read my post carefully and point out to me where " your comparing an Audi with a 1/16 scale tank " ( I believe you intended to write "you're" ) ..

All you've done is highlight your lack of understanding of what it takes to construct a quality product.

"They need to make the sale homey and if I flash a suitcase full of cash in front of them and tell them I will give them much less in CASH they will sell the car in a heartbeat! "

You do that for an R8, I'll be fascinated to hear the result.

One other point here: I'm not "homey". The name is Jerry.

wright 971

Hi Guys I agree with Rivetcounter,the cost of drawing and progaming this model is very expencive,normal cost is about $75 (in the U.K.)an hour for all the work done drawing, programing and cutting the first off.Then it has to be checked and built.I would imagine the total cost is in the thousands,and it will all depend on selling quite alot of these.
O.K. the wages in China are not that good but they still have to pay wages thequantity of work is still the same.It is still a very goodprice for this model,Armourtek sell all metal Tiger1 1/6 scale Total cost is over 6,400 pounds.The only differance is the size and ammount of material used,same ammount of drawing and programing (slightly long to cut)It costs four times as much but its not four times as big.

regards pete

AERO-MATE

I agree with Rivetcounter too. We have toconsider designcost. Our Tiger 1 has more than 200 parts. It took a long time.
And machining a 1/16 part is more difficultthana 1/6. It issmall size and needs more accuracy.
You guys should see Building the Commanders Cupola in rctankhq,we try to makeitbetter.

http://rctankhq.com/panzerforum/index.php?topic=1776.45#lastPost

Jack

snakestretcher52

There are Shermans and Tigers everywhere. Can someone PLEASE produce something we don't already have coming out of our ears?
Where is the BRITISH armour?

AERO-MATE

Good suggestion.
Well, can we have a vote to British tanks here？

And next, where can I find basic info of these British tanks？

herrmill

Jack, why not do it right & update your website & post a poll there? I would also recommend updating your product page to include the tank line since its not shown anywhere except on the spec section.

My vote would be WW2 British tanks such as a Matilda, Cromwell or Comet.

http://www.tanksinworldwar2.com/uk.php

Tanque

Jack I think what you are doing is great; lowering the price if possible while not compromising your quality is never
a bad thing certainly. That said there are toy tanks and mediocre models aplenty in the market so you don't need to
go there. If you check out my website you will see that I for one prefer quality and substance over any other
consideration. There are many, many more like me out in the market so I am not alone in thls.

You are not attempting to offer an entry level model however you might want to consider an approach that works for
producers of larger scale models: offer a component approach to purchasing your model / kits. Break up the model into
logical component sets to make the purchase on the entire model more agreeable to a larger customer base. Leave the
responsibility of buying the sets to the buyer; don't force them to buy A then B then C.

As for alternate tanks for your next project consider the Crusader, Mathilda, Comet or Cromwell as others have. Some of the Museum
have data and drawing packs and the net is a good resource. Additionally please consider some of the lesser popular tanks such as those from Italy. The Fiat Ansaldo / Semovente ( as many know here my personal favorite) and even the Auto Blinda 41 or 43
armored car. Back in the German range the Puma Sd Kfz 234 /2 Puma is another great candidate ( I've lost all hope that Andrew Design will follow through)

I realize some of these other machines could be daunting and may require additional manufacturing capabilities.

My 2 cents. Keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to being one of your many customers!

Jerry

sevoblast

I would recommend a Comet for a British tank. Late war, relatively simple tracks and road wheels, although it is typical of British tanks in that is rather 'busy', in that it has many little odds and ends etc here and there on the tank. Still, it's a good simple tank that should sell well, and be a challenging model to manufacture, although perhaps not as challenging as your magnificent Tiger 1.

YHR

I agree. Comet would be fantastic. I have nothing against the price of this tank, I am just so tired of Tigers everywhere, and that is the reason I would not purchase it. A Comet or a Matilda, might get me to open my wallet though.

wright 971

Hi My Favorite is the Churchill but this is a difficult tank to build,so Comet is my second favorite much easyer to build.
      Have you thought about making Sherman Suspension VVss type in metal To replace the plastic ones on the Mato but also to upgrade the Tamiya,If you made them in metal and they worked(not like the mato just rocks back and forward)I would say these would sell There are alot of Tamiya Shermans out there that people would like to have VVss suspension.Just put a post up asking if people would like a working metal VVss suspension,you might also find they would like metal tracks to go with them.

       regards pete 

snakestretcher52

http://www.amazon.co.uk/World-Encycl.../dp/0754817415

rivetcounter

The British tank to aim for is the Cromwell from 1944 Normandy onwards or the Churchill, the problem with Comet is it’s late 45 very near to the end of the war and not involved in major offensives

YHR

Yes it doesn't have the battle history, but a matilda has a lot of battle history. Neat looking tank too. SO that is what I would like to see.

YHR

Yes a machined VVSS would be sought after/

EasterBunny

I don't have a problem with the price, but for that price I would look at a 1/6 scale tank vs a 1/16 scale tank. Just more bang for the buck. it does look good though.

Nick D