RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

thanks...thats what I needed....what do I do with the other turret functions like gun flash and elevation? The turret already rotates.

Look, I am sure Clark is not at falt....it has to be me, here is what I have...

1 desktop running windows xp with Internet explorer 8, AOL, and Norton with mywarebytes....
1 laptop running windows 7, Internet explorer 8 ,AOL,Norton,spybot...........

they both used to read Clark....now nether of them do


when I go to sign onto clark, the bothsay "website found waiting for reply"......I get the little circle thingie for a whileand then the screen I posted saying the site is not found.....I have asked AOL if its them and they say no, I have asked my cable company if it them and they say no.....I have scanned both computers for anything that could be an issue, looked for bots that could be blocking ether computer, cleaned up the hard drives, looked for registry errors...........in short spent over 5 hours messing with computers instead or working on a tank......since I do not see anyone else having an issue, I think it is my cable company limiting overseas band width.....but that is just a guess as they will not admit it.

Sorry if I have been coming across wrong, I hate eletronics....if anyone asked my opinion, it would have been nice to include instructions with the unit rather than relaying on a web connection...I know thats old fashioned butI am old so IMO its OK to be old fashioned....

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Written instruction cost money to produce and mail. One of the reasons this board is so inexpensive is that Clark is keeping all his costs at a mimimum. He has a website, and is counting on us to some degree to help each other out.

It looks like Freaky is going to be selling these, so that might be an option for you in the future. Get them from Freaky, and then you can get the help you need somewhat locally. It will probasbly end up costing you a few bucks more as I doubt Freaky can ship them for $3.00, but you will have him to lean on to help you through any issues you might have.

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Scott, do you need me to print out the instructions and send them to you? PM me with your address if so.

Herman

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

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</div><div>There you go Scott if you need any more let me know</div>

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Mustclime I would ditch Norton, it usually is just a resource hog and not a very good one at that. You could also try clearing your cache which might help if not already done. <div>
</div><div>Having a brief thread browse I am kind of glad I ditched the chance to supply these. As a retailer you really can't sell a product of dubious functionality as you get lynched for it, or end up out of pocket. </div><div>
</div><div>Regarding beta testing, and plug and play. Plug and play is essentially that, you plug it in and it works. Clark admitted in the past he was using the initial batches to test and improve his product. While this might not exactly be the right thing to do he is a small business with investments so really needs to get the return ASAP. As a business selling them I couldn't take the risk. </div><div>
</div><div>Regarding software releasing unfinished products, they do take millions now to produce with staff in the 100's based from worldwide offices. Comparing todays software releases, in particular to gaming, with the good old days when things generally worked (unless they were made by Novalogic) isn't quite the same. </div>

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Most people are running Clark boards without issue. If you read the thread Scott's issue was an HL volume pot. Trying to install something without instructions is always going to be tricky! Sure there where teething problems in the past but they seem to have been resolved. Where there where issues support from Clark seemed very good.

Just because software has gotten more complicated is not excuse for publishers to pressure studios into releasing unfinished rubbish, see cliffs of Dover and silent hunter 5......

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Not sure where you arepulling this from......doI think Clark is without falt....no.....I was kinda surprised they called them selfs tamiya compatible anddid not include battle damage power down with the first batch of cards......thats a strike against clark imo....but they seem to have fixed that....theresister limiting irrange(so asto not burn up the hl irbulb)was also a surprise but they seem to have fixedthat as well.....but theyseem to be responsive to suggestions for improvement and thats more than I cansay about tamiya.

Last night I wa****wing out to scale a 1:16 scale E-10 from panzer tracts, you want to know something? There is no way you could run that tank with tamiya guts, they would take up so much space, there would be no room for motors or batteries.....but you could run it witha Clark board.......and have room for the gun workings and a custom battery....you guys out there thinking about a hezter build(or e-25), take note...in this hobby. any options aregood optons....I just wish I was better with this wiring stuff..........

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Seems to be quite a few, not life threatening issues. Recalls don't exactly inspire confidence. From emails I had with Clark he has some big plans but I think he needs to concentrate on one product and one product only and make that work. He is very keen to get a product on the market that works though so I am sure his support will always be there. Not much use to a retailer though, not when customers just open Paypal disputes against you without telling you why! :)

I think the issue with space has killed the Hetzer project we were working on, it basically required everything to be re-made just for this tank, there just wasn't enough room to squeeze everything in to have the functionality expected.


I think it is more complicated than that. Yes publishers do pressure companies to get their work finished, but then again publishers are the ones financing the product in the first place. Without their money, usually paid up front there would be no games at all. Something people never bring up is that when the deals are made they are made on the basis that the design company finishes the product in a certain time. If games get pushed to gold and it is unfinished the issue lies with the software company not doing their jobs. A lot of games are just crap because the company making them didn't think it through.

From recent memory games like Star Trek Online, a huge IP and money maker and the original company spent three years making the game only to have concept art to show for it. As I said you hear a lot of it online, like it is all the publishers fauly "X" product doesn't work, isn't finished etc. very few blame the design house.<br type="_moz" />

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Thanks, I think bret is sending me a copy so i should be ok by the end of the week.....now if I could be my work bench warm enought to paint.....its about 35 degrees right now.....

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

lol....I loaded firefox and searched Clark and got this.......

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RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

My lord. Ok I am out of solutions then lol. I know it gets frustrating when things don't work the way they should. I was going to send you the instructions but Bret beat me to it. Has to be your ISP, I have been using Firefox for years without any problems with any site. I wish it would have worked for you. At least now you can get your TK hooked up

Cheers
Wade

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

I sent mustclime a good link to the entire Clark TK20 Series latest information website page in PDF form acouple days ago by PM.
There was nothing wrong with the link or the file, it was tested several times &amp; by different people for both viewing the PDF file online, &amp; for direct download of the file so it could be opened directly from the computer.

In a return PM he told me all 37 pages were blank when he clicked my link, &amp; he saw nothing. I PM'ed him a second time to explain to him the file was OK, &amp; that there was also a direct download link available on the same web page screen that should be showing the PDF file onscreen, even if he was (temporarily) only seeing a blank screen in the area where the PDF should be showing. All he had to do was click the download link where the file would have been downloaded directly to his computer &amp; he should have been able to then easily open the PDF file to see it locally.

The PDF file can take a very long time to generate the online viewing of it on MediaFire where it is kept, &amp; can be so even with very quick internet connections some times, so I'm sure he just didn't give the entire file enough time to load into the browser, or at least not enough time where some of the pages might first start to showin the browser window, or it was once again an issue with his internet connection. Well, I have already tried twice to help get him the guide he needed, but without success. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...used_smile.gif

I since deleted the original PDF link, but have decided it may be of use to others on the forum, so I reinstated the link for anyone else interested =&gt; TK20 Series Guide (1/3/2013 Edition)

If Clark doesn't want me to provide this PDF, I will delete the link.

~ Craig ~

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Just tried your link, the first time I got the blank pages, the second time though worked fine. And I used my iPhone. Link works fine

Cheers
Wade

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

I see that one.....can't print it,,,,but I can see it.

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Don't print it from the web browser view, use the Download link from the right side of the page &amp; download the file to your computer, then open up the file, you should easily be able to print it.

~ Craig ~

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

I am going to set up a downlaod page on my web today, you will be able to get the instructions from that.

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

wow, its a shame that cn2 and j1 do not match the tamiya plugs from the battle unit, any ideas on where i can get plugs and pins that will match those?

the radioshack by me has more or less turned into a phone shop.....

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

RadioShack is the same way near me. It's a shame to, I loved going to that store.

Cheers
Wade

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Not sure if it works in reverse but I used the male 5 pin plug that goes into the cn2 on my Tamiya electronics.

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Thanks Freaky, I will be keeping an eye on your site

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

well I hit radioshack and an electronics store....no luck with the cn2 and j1 pins....any ideas?

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

I found the HL connectors at Digikey. They are called XH connectors. Heres the link to the 3 pin http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DKSea...31602275723260. It took a while to ID it

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Love To Build, when I tried your link it says part not found?

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Here's the Digikey part number 455-2219-ND . Go to the site and search that number.

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Thanks, It will be good to have a source for these!!!

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Not really what i am looking for.....cn2 is a henglong style 5 pin and thej1 is a very small 2pin(smaller than both hl and tamiya)....nether fit the tamiya apple or ir light plugs.....you guys are running these boards, where are you getting the plugs to run the IR stuff??

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

If you are looking for a Tamiya keyed base at http://www.clark-model.com/eng/index_e.html has a kit. The black connector in the center is this connector Digikey part number 2563S-05-ND. I use a 2 pin version for LED plugs Digikey part number 2563S-02-ND


Bill

PS When I get my Tamiya I'll locate the connectors and post here also.

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Shortly I will have stock on the plugs for those little wee wee tiny things. small helicopters use them for power cables etc

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

sadly, I can not get on the clark site so any links to them are useless. I will lookup the digikey parts, do they include the wire ends than fit into the plugs?.....freaky, you get them, let me know,at this pointI am looking at making them out of styreen...I think I can pull a hl style 5 pin from my parts bin from running the hl flash upgradein cn3 but the j1 connector is a clark fail imo, it dosn't match hl or tamiya so what the heck is it like that for?

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

here are a couple pics....here is the tamiya battle unit that you are supose to plug into the calark board....

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...0/IMG_1608.jpg

here are the plugs next to the places where you are supose to plug them in....

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...0/IMG_1609.jpg

as for the digikey part numbers from lovetobuild.....have you looked at those pages? The pics are not even close, and then you need to pick a whole bunch of other info that I do not know to even order. I am just a dumb model guy,all the other stuff I am at a loss.

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Scott do you have any HL 5 pin plugs knocking about? Your going to have to change the plugs on the tbu base and wire them per the diagram in the instructions. Try the rctankregiment lads as most of them have done this, esp 971wright and brel

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

You will need to lose the Tamiya wiring harness and mount.

Clark sells a wiring harnesses and mounts that will plug into this board. I have a similiar thing for sale as well as they are exactly the same as what I use on a DBC3.

http://battlearmorrc.weebly.com/uplo...pg?415?4574100

http://battlearmorrc.weebly.com/uplo...pg?422?2663255

I am not a big fan of those micro plugs either. Hard to find

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Mustclime it is a shame you can't get on the clark site, the base he sells has a cable with it that plugs into the board and all you use is the tamiya apple, then there would be no need to alter your existing tamiya base.

Cheers
Wade

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

If this is the case......well I guess the cost of the "clark battlesystem" just went up...

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

True but, it's only $7 for the base and cable. I think in my opinion, clark should have an option where you could order everything in one package instead of an ala carte. If you have all the cables and such you still have the option to do so. But it would be nice to have a package with the board, apple base, ir, flash, remote all in one option.

Cheers
Wade

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Ether way I am left holding the bag as it were. To make matters worse, I can not get onto their site to order the parts they neglected to inform me that I would need to make this whole mess work. If a vender did something like this to me when I was racing cars, I would have pulled their parts off my car and told everyonethat would lissen to not deal with them. Sorry if Iam comming across a little harshbut the list of "gee didn't you know's" keeps getting longer....what do I mean?

1) gee, didn't you know that the henglongmotors would just stop ifwe reduced power to simulate battle damage.....so even though we called the system tamiya compatable we took this option out of our first run of boards.
2) gee, didn't you know the heng long ir bulbs are junkso we put aresister on the board so you wouldn't blow them.....sorry to tell you that unless you soder over it your tank will have no range...guess we didn't tell anyone till people complained.....

and now...3) gee, didn'tyou know that unless you buy our tamiya apple mountand wirewith the connectors for the IR bulb....you are going to have to look all over the place to find the connectors and pins....good luck with that.....

Spent all this time making thethe mount for the servo for "the real recoil" and Ijust want to trash it andgo with tamiya guts.....

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...0/IMG_1607.jpg

what a waste of time....

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Yes I can understand how it feels. For a retailer it is a fine line to walk. 50% of the people want an all inclusive package and the other 50% want individual prices on everything.

The roll out of these was less then smooth, but the issues are really water under the bridge now as we have moved passed this. I packaged up both my Clark Boards and sent them back today to take advantage of Clarks upgrade to the lastest and greatest version wiht all the fixes. So I know exactly how you feel as I had these mounted in tanks, and had to rip them out to send them back. A big inconvenience. However I have not lost sight of the fact these are $80 boards.

The only other issue that was a concern was the fact the Clark board would not accept hits from Tamiya LEO's. I am not sure where that ended up. I think this was also fixed, but I am not sure. Maybe Freaky can comment on this.

Freaky looks like he is taking on these Clark boards, so in the near future all these concerns should be addressed by having a local reseller whose primary interest is his customer.

In all honesty though Clark has been good about getting back to me on stuff, and I have no complaints about the communication once we understood each other.

Typically the old addage about not being the first to the table is very true in this case. The next boards that are to be built in February will probably be the ones worth waiting for.

I can help you out with a mount and cable if you want one. I have them in stock, Just PM me.

Cheers

Dan

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Well Scott I have to say I sympathise with a lot of what your saying here in that it's really frustrating to get stuff you think should be compatible then be told when it's not that the issue was common knowledge. Having the site not work cant help. I hope you persevere with this as you should be pretty close to having it working, with the plus side you know how to avoid the issues if you decide to use a Clark board in future projects.

Its a slightly different situation in the uk where a lot of folks have Clark boards so some one can help with any issues. I'll be fitting Clark boards onto my panther F and jagdpanther mainly because it will cost me about &pound;100 for both, as opposed to Tamiya which would be over &pound;400 for new parts and &pound;300 second hand.<br type="_moz" />

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

Clark let me know that the issue with them accepting hits from the Tamiya Leo has also been resolved.

RE: Clark electronics TK20
 

A Tamiya Sherman with TK20 in France:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdGofMM7Z8Y[/youtube]

As you can see at the begging of video, the layout is nice and clean, speaker box is made of card board, tamiya's old single motor gear box is upgraded to two motor configuration and works very good. I'm asking for more closer picture becasue I also have a single motor gear box and want to upgrade it.

Regards,
Clark