Bert Baker (Yellow) P 47 build help
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Bert Baker (Yellow) P 47 build help
Hello all, I recently came into possession of a 1/5th scale Bert Baker 80" P 47 and need some advice. I have kit built from stick kits/monokote covering in the past (way past) and usually stick to building arfs, or "barfs" (cmp, etc.). With it I received all the wood, plans, instructions (hand typed! And BRIEF!), all the fiberglass parts, canopy, and some great looking retracts. I actually took it in as part of a trade thinking I might one day get around to it, but the more I look at this thing, the more I realize this is a build from a seemingly bygone era, or specialty market (like the pro's use) that I don't think Ive ever even seen the workings/build steps to. I know it likely sounds easy to a lot of builders on here, but I can only say is that you would think a "simple car" like an early 1900's Reo - a box and engine - would be easy to drive, until you sit in it and look at all the levers, cranks, knobs, etc., and think "what the heck does that goofy Frankenstein knob on the steering wheel do?" (I know timing/spark, don't want side track here!)
So here is my dilemma; do I try and sell this and guess at the worth? Do I try and fumble my way through a build? Is there any forums, posts, boards, anywhere that might shed some light on some of the workings of this type of build? The fuse I can figure out, its the wings - positive and negative molds-sheeting-foam everywhere.... Balsa I understand, this is all foreign to me though.
Any insight/suggestions/opinions - any shove in a direction would be greatly appreciated!
So here is my dilemma; do I try and sell this and guess at the worth? Do I try and fumble my way through a build? Is there any forums, posts, boards, anywhere that might shed some light on some of the workings of this type of build? The fuse I can figure out, its the wings - positive and negative molds-sheeting-foam everywhere.... Balsa I understand, this is all foreign to me though.
Any insight/suggestions/opinions - any shove in a direction would be greatly appreciated!
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RE: Bert Baker (Yellow) P 47 build help
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The Bert Baker P-47 is the same as the Yellow Aircraft P-47 for the most part. The BB was the First, with Yellow taking it and doing some improvement, and then selling it under their label. Still a very good kit.
Vince
The Bert Baker P-47 is the same as the Yellow Aircraft P-47 for the most part. The BB was the First, with Yellow taking it and doing some improvement, and then selling it under their label. Still a very good kit.
Vince
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Hello all, I recently came into possession of a 1/5th scale Bert Baker 80" P 47 and need some advice. I have kit built from stick kits/monokote covering in the past (way past) and usually stick to building arfs, or "barfs" (cmp, etc.). With it I received all the wood, plans, instructions (hand typed! And BRIEF!), all the fiberglass parts, canopy, and some great looking retracts. I actually took it in as part of a trade thinking I might one day get around to it, but the more I look at this thing, the more I realize this is a build from a seemingly bygone era, or specialty market (like the pro's use) that I don't think Ive ever even seen the workings/build steps to. I know it likely sounds easy to a lot of builders on here, but I can only say is that you would think a "simple car" like an early 1900's Reo - a box and engine - would be easy to drive, until you sit in it and look at all the levers, cranks, knobs, etc., and think "what the heck does that goofy Frankenstein knob on the steering wheel do?" (I know timing/spark, don't want side track here!)
So here is my dilemma; do I try and sell this and guess at the worth? Do I try and fumble my way through a build? Is there any forums, posts, boards, anywhere that might shed some light on some of the workings of this type of build? The fuse I can figure out, its the wings - positive and negative molds-sheeting-foam everywhere.... Balsa I understand, this is all foreign to me though.
Any insight/suggestions/opinions - any shove in a direction would be greatly appreciated!
Hello all, I recently came into possession of a 1/5th scale Bert Baker 80" P 47 and need some advice. I have kit built from stick kits/monokote covering in the past (way past) and usually stick to building arfs, or "barfs" (cmp, etc.). With it I received all the wood, plans, instructions (hand typed! And BRIEF!), all the fiberglass parts, canopy, and some great looking retracts. I actually took it in as part of a trade thinking I might one day get around to it, but the more I look at this thing, the more I realize this is a build from a seemingly bygone era, or specialty market (like the pro's use) that I don't think Ive ever even seen the workings/build steps to. I know it likely sounds easy to a lot of builders on here, but I can only say is that you would think a "simple car" like an early 1900's Reo - a box and engine - would be easy to drive, until you sit in it and look at all the levers, cranks, knobs, etc., and think "what the heck does that goofy Frankenstein knob on the steering wheel do?" (I know timing/spark, don't want side track here!)
So here is my dilemma; do I try and sell this and guess at the worth? Do I try and fumble my way through a build? Is there any forums, posts, boards, anywhere that might shed some light on some of the workings of this type of build? The fuse I can figure out, its the wings - positive and negative molds-sheeting-foam everywhere.... Balsa I understand, this is all foreign to me though.
Any insight/suggestions/opinions - any shove in a direction would be greatly appreciated!
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RE: Bert Baker (Yellow) P 47 build help
I hope someone can help me on this irritating issue. On my previous post, and probably this one as well, RCU apparently is not recognizing my formatting. When I double space for a new paragraph, it just continues as if it was just another sentence.
This line was double spaced. I just made three clicks on the space bar...
This line was triple spaced.
Thanks for any assistance.
Dash
Interesting. The above looks as I intended it to. I wonder about this add-on?Dash
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Thanks for the info and the link Dash, I will definitely be studying that over the next couple of days. Scrolling through the pics, did yours come with the wings sheeted like that? There is no sheeting to be found in my box, only foam wing 1/4rs with what I would call negative molds (bottom "mold" concave, bottom wing 1/4 convex, top wing 1/4 convex, then top "mold" concave making a "square" with the wing in the middle if that makes any sense?) The retracts that were "made for it" are also a bit odd, the cylinder is facing away from the strut, 180 degrees from the "norm", would this setup even fit in a wing? Looking at your it would seem they would poke out the leading edge?
Anyway, thanks again and Im sure I'll have more q's after the read!
Anyway, thanks again and Im sure I'll have more q's after the read!
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Thanks for the info and the link Dash, I will definitely be studying that over the next couple of days. Scrolling through the pics, did yours come with the wings sheeted like that? There is no sheeting to be found in my box, only foam wing 1/4rs with what I would call negative molds (bottom "mold" concave, bottom wing 1/4 convex, top wing 1/4 convex, then top "mold" concave making a "square" with the wing in the middle if that makes any sense?) The retracts that were "made for it" are also a bit odd, the cylinder is facing away from the strut, 180 degrees from the "norm", would this setup even fit in a wing? Looking at your it would seem they would poke out the leading edge?
Anyway, thanks again and Im sure I'll have more q's after the read!
Thanks for the info and the link Dash, I will definitely be studying that over the next couple of days. Scrolling through the pics, did yours come with the wings sheeted like that? There is no sheeting to be found in my box, only foam wing 1/4rs with what I would call negative molds (bottom "mold" concave, bottom wing 1/4 convex, top wing 1/4 convex, then top "mold" concave making a "square" with the wing in the middle if that makes any sense?) The retracts that were "made for it" are also a bit odd, the cylinder is facing away from the strut, 180 degrees from the "norm", would this setup even fit in a wing? Looking at your it would seem they would poke out the leading edge?
Anyway, thanks again and Im sure I'll have more q's after the read!
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Hey Dash, was just skimming over your thread again when I notices this reply. Feel like I was just thrown in the deep end looking at what you did! Man that came out great, I really enjoyed what you did with the exhaust, its one of those things I try to incorporate whenever I can (my latest was on a Hangar 9 Hellcat in the pics) As for my ability's, I don't think Im close to being able to attempt a bird like this. I have never glassed anything bigger then a dummy radial or a refuel dot port to a cowl, or maybe a retract bay. I don't think I would be doing this bird any favors by trying to build it! Sure wish you were my neighbor, I'd be at your front door with 12 pack of whatever you like to drink (from coke to corona) and a notepad! I appreciate your offer to help though, and if I even knew the questions to ask I would take you up on it. Got anything else on the table right now?
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Sorry I can't be more help. It can become a real project! I just get carried away sometimes, and I still marvel at some of the scale projects I see here on RCU!.
I'm finishing up a 1/5 Scale Pica Waco now and it should be ready to maiden in a few weeks.
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j301, what did you use to 'solder' those exhaust extensions?
j301, what did you use to 'solder' those exhaust extensions?
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No problem, and if you are wanting to build something like it, I ended up using copper only on the elbows, the tubing is the brass hobby stuff. The copper got way heavy, all you have to do is heat the copper part only, and carefully, and let the solder wick in, the brass is pretty thin and will goober up if you hit it directly with the heat.
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I have a NIB Yellow P-47 waiting for some attention I was planning on using an Evolution 45 up front. There is an excellent build forum on RCScale website. Let me know if you need a link.
Jerry
I have a NIB Yellow P-47 waiting for some attention I was planning on using an Evolution 45 up front. There is an excellent build forum on RCScale website. Let me know if you need a link.
Jerry
Just for my own sanity, if I were to decide to sell this kit with the retracts and all, what is a fair ballpark? Not looking to walk away with a big profit, just want to be fair in both directions.
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Here is the link to RCU's 'Blue Book'
http://www.rcuniverse.com/product_gu...cfm?kit_id=568
Here is the link to RCU's 'Blue Book'
http://www.rcuniverse.com/product_gu...cfm?kit_id=568
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Thanks, got it. The site looks great, the only problem I have is the the wing isn't pre-built on mine (like the yellows) and that's the part I don't know how to do. (?)
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The wings aren't that difficult to do. The process involves: Gluing the cores together. The servo pockets are located and cut into the wing. See if someone has a Yellow wing that they could photograph the bottom side showing the location of the servo pockets. The wing skins are glued together. Once this is done you can use sorghum glue to attach the wing skins to the foam. This is a contact cement that works well. There are other adhesives that work too.. you can google or search on RCU. To keep the wings from twisting while the skins are setting up you place the wings with the skins on into the foam cradles you received them in and weight them with phone books etc..
Mark your cores so you know which core came from which cradle. This is really helpful to keep your wings and cores from getting mixed up.
Once the wings are sheeted you can attach the leading and trailing edges and the wing tips. Your flaps and ailerons are wood so that's pretty basic stuff.
Mark your cores so you know which core came from which cradle. This is really helpful to keep your wings and cores from getting mixed up.
Once the wings are sheeted you can attach the leading and trailing edges and the wing tips. Your flaps and ailerons are wood so that's pretty basic stuff.
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The wings aren't that difficult to do. The process involves: Gluing the cores together. The servo pockets are located and cut into the wing. See if someone has a Yellow wing that they could photograph the bottom side showing the location of the servo pockets. The wing skins are glued together. Once this is done you can use sorghum glue to attach the wing skins to the foam. This is a contact cement that works well. There are other adhesives that work too.. you can google or search on RCU. To keep the wings from twisting while the skins are setting up you place the wings with the skins on into the foam cradles you received them in and weight them with phone books etc..
Mark your cores so you know which core came from which cradle. This is really helpful to keep your wings and cores from getting mixed up.
Once the wings are sheeted you can attach the leading and trailing edges and the wing tips. Your flaps and ailerons are wood so that's pretty basic stuff.
The wings aren't that difficult to do. The process involves: Gluing the cores together. The servo pockets are located and cut into the wing. See if someone has a Yellow wing that they could photograph the bottom side showing the location of the servo pockets. The wing skins are glued together. Once this is done you can use sorghum glue to attach the wing skins to the foam. This is a contact cement that works well. There are other adhesives that work too.. you can google or search on RCU. To keep the wings from twisting while the skins are setting up you place the wings with the skins on into the foam cradles you received them in and weight them with phone books etc..
Mark your cores so you know which core came from which cradle. This is really helpful to keep your wings and cores from getting mixed up.
Once the wings are sheeted you can attach the leading and trailing edges and the wing tips. Your flaps and ailerons are wood so that's pretty basic stuff.
Thanks.