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Old 10-16-2003 | 11:44 AM
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Hi All,

I would like to create a thread that is dedicated to the German Luftwaffe, my objective will be to get all (as much as possible) aircraft from the Luftwaffe in models of 1/5 scale, I would appriciate it if those of you who have such models will upload a picture in this thread. I want to create a website dedicated to the Luftwaffe at a later stage, before this i would like to know if there is info that i can publish.

i am building a fw-190 that was flown by Hermann Graf, it is the personal one, it will be published here when it is complete.

thanks for the trouble.

werner
Old 10-16-2003 | 01:23 PM
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Werner, Here is a pic of my Me109. Its 1/4 scale and modelled after a late model G-6 flown by Erich Hartmann of III JG/52. Engine is a 3W 75 twin spark with a menz 24/12 prop.

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http://www.eagle-editions.com/grafgris.htm
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Old 10-16-2003 | 02:16 PM
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Werner,

If 1/4 scale is okay, I'm with Evan and here is a shot of my two 109s. If you don't mind the odd scale, I will have some other pics soon. Also for more pics like below, check out my site at www.flypcm.com.
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Old 10-16-2003 | 03:33 PM
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OK, its not 1/5 scale, but I thought it was a good photo worthy of a luftwaffe thread.

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Old 10-16-2003 | 03:59 PM
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High Werner,

Excellent idea for a website - attached is a photo of my 1/5 scale Dornier 335 'Pfeil'.

90 inch wingspan with 45cc Zenoah in the front, 22cc Zenoah in the back.

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Old 10-16-2003 | 04:11 PM
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Here are 2 of my Luftwaffe airplanes The Stuka is a Ziroli 100" w/s and the ME 163 Komet is 101" span John N
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Old 10-16-2003 | 04:28 PM
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What a great idea for a thread!

Jason - Excellent Do335! Who is the designer/kitter? - I've been looking for one that size.
Old 10-16-2003 | 04:35 PM
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Here's my Fieseler Storch built from enlarged Dennis Bryant plans. Span is 102" and it's powered with a G23. It's approximately 1/5 scale and is a real blast to fly.

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Old 10-16-2003 | 06:49 PM
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Speaking of Herman Graf, this is a 109 I did for a friend with a ZDZ80 inline twin. Great flier.
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Old 10-16-2003 | 09:39 PM
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What's this ?

The "enemy" will be patroling for you !

Couldn't resist...

Oh no! Is that a 109 on my tail ! [:@]

Break ! Break !!

LOL - Good Day.
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Old 10-16-2003 | 10:45 PM
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Here is a few shots of my true 1/5 scale Do335 A11. The full scale bird was 45 feet and 3.25 inches wingspan and 45 feet 4.25 inches long. This yeilds a model at 108.65 wingspan and 108.85 in length. Builts from my own plans in all wood and foam construction.
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Old 10-16-2003 | 10:55 PM
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Here are a few more.
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Old 10-16-2003 | 11:13 PM
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Pat, Those are very beautiful models!

I couldn't resist so here is mine built from the Bob Holman 1/5 scale semi kit... Will do a short nose version soon.
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Old 10-17-2003 | 02:32 AM
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Bearzilla,

The Dornier 335 was scratch built by an increbible guy called Rick Stevens in the UK, using the orignal Bentley drawings, it has a 91 inch wingspan. Flown once and then sold and kept in somebody back room for 4/5 years.

Have just bought it and am refurbing with a view to flying it on the UK display circuit.

I believe Al Masters does some plans for a 335 at 72 inch & 99 inch I think.


Pat McCurry,

How did yours fly and how did you get on with takeing off and landing with the small clearance on the rear fin??? And what prop sizes did you use as I have been told that if your not careful on the prop choice the rear engine can just negate alot of the power from the front one.

Your work certainly is an inspiration - your 335 and 109 as as good as it gets - am going to have to save up and get me one those 109's!!

Best Regards

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Old 10-17-2003 | 03:27 AM
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fw190d9 : thanks for the book name, actually i am also reading this book and am building the fw-190 that Graf flew ( the colourful one)

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Thanks a million, guys,

all these pictures are really good, please don't worry about the scale, if the models are beautiful scale models, they are all welcome.

please keep this thread going and i will see how many we get and start a site for us.

Are you guys willing to supply some information for the site if we decide to do it?

thanks

werner
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John N nice stuka. That is a great paint scheme.
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AGTUNG !, AGTUNG !

All Avaliable aircraft, there is a spitfire in the airspace, hunt him down a don't let him get away !!

AGTUNG !, AGTUNG !

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Jason,

By the way nice looking bird, I like the single seater as much as I do the double. I too designed my model from the Bentley drawings and as such utilized the scale incedence on the wing and stabilizers. The full scale craft had a little over 3 degrees positive on the wing and 2 degrees positive on the stabilizer. They did this so that at the flare, the aircraft would have an overall flatter pitch to avoid contact with the tail. It was said that to hit the tail that the main wing would have to be at around 16 degrees positive which was was the maximum angle of attack for that airfoil. In this case it was no more of a danger than with a more conventional layout.
This proved to be the case on my model as well in that the landing was very comfortable but the take off run required a bit more length to unstick. Because the model was built for competition I had to use identacal motors front and rear, I had Moki 1.8s which left the model slightly underpowered at 75 pounds.
The talk about the front prop washing out the rear or visa versa is not correct, prop each engine as you would normally do. Some will say the the wash from the front prop will pass at high speed through the rear prop with out gaining any aditional thrust - this is false. In actuallity the thrust from the front engine - as with all front engine drive aircraft- is greatly consumed by the travel down the fuselage. They did tests on the full scale bird and found that when they cut the rear engine and used the front alone, the 335 had a top speed of just over two hundred miles and hour. But when they cut the front engine and used only the rear, this 22,000 pound twin on a single engine was faster than a Mark I Spitfire at nearly 328 miles per hour!
I had a good demonstration of this principal on my first flight, I lost the front engine. When I did, I actually was having an aurgument with my caller (Charlie Chambers) as to wether or not I had lost an engine at all. The feeling was that there is no way I could maintain speed and altitude on a 75 pound podel with a SINGLE Moki 1.8 glow motor (see photo below). Well it did just fine until gear and flaps, at that point I needed full power to maintain about a fifteen degree down angle and had barely enough to flare. In all I flew the model three times before losing it on the fourth take off. I was running out of runway and pulled the model off prematurely and it was severley damaged. I am in the process of building a new model as we speak.
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Old 10-17-2003 | 02:46 PM
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Pat,

Thanks - I feel very re-assured - all the reports I've had say that they fly very well - very much looking forward to seeing your new one.

Best Regards

Jason
Old 10-17-2003 | 11:50 PM
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gents I must admit the quality of your birds you have presented here, alot of nice work!


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Hi Guy's, Okay, heres a couple of my Luft. birds, an Me-262, Me-109, FW-190D9, and FW Ta-152 H.
Happy flying,
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PS If you want to see lot's more sweet giant scale warbirds, checkout my website at:
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This is my Meister 109.
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Garhard Barkhorns D9 (Meister)
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Old 10-18-2003 | 10:51 PM
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man, nice German iron in here!

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