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Old 11-11-2003 | 04:34 PM
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hi, i am trying to find pics / examples for split flaps mods on a foam/skinned wing

a have the basic concept down: lithoplate/lite ply& some ribs

just wondering about the options for the controls:

1- typical torque rod(s)- don't know how to deal with the angle change (flaps hinge line) relative to the mid section of the wing (sweep forward&dihedrall)

2- using a servo/pushrod in each wing under the "radiators"- am not sure the best way to attach the radiators to make them removable (and still look scale)

i have seen (here on RCU) some pics for the 2nd option on a Y/A spit build thread- but did a search and can't locate it anymore. any pics (for the 1st or 2nd option) would help

THANX in advance for advice, Vasek
Old 11-11-2003 | 07:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: vasek

hi, i am trying to find pics / examples for split flaps mods on a foam/skinned wing

a have the basic concept down: lithoplate/lite ply& some ribs

just wondering about the options for the controls:

1- typical torque rod(s)- don't know how to deal with the angle change (flaps hinge line) relative to the mid section of the wing (sweep forward&dihedrall)

2- using a servo/pushrod in each wing under the "radiators"- am not sure the best way to attach the radiators to make them removable (and still look scale)

i have seen (here on RCU) some pics for the 2nd option on a Y/A spit build thread- but did a search and can't locate it anymore. any pics (for the 1st or 2nd option) would help

THANX in advance for advice, Vasek
On my 1/5 Spitfire, the spilt flaps are two pieces on each side of the wing..the outter flap and the smaller, curved inboard flap. The outter flap is driven by a control horn mounted on the inside of the flap so it can't be seen. The outter is "attached" to the inner by two pins that slide in and out of tubes secured to the inner flap (just like the real one)...this works for a very scale look....if you're not building for scale, simply run the servo link to horns on the bottom of each flap.
Old 11-11-2003 | 09:38 PM
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Vasek,
I have each outer flap connected to a horn in the scale location and a bellcrank to a servo. The inner flap is coupled to the outer by a small flexible tube also per full size.
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Old 11-12-2003 | 12:44 PM
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I added the short inboard flap segment to my Yellow Spitfire. The flaps were driven per Yellow's design, ie, with a servo hidden in each radiator and a visible push rod. If I did it again I would make it internal as on JG's Taylor airplane above. The inboard flaps are slaved to the outboard flaps via a bowden cable which is simply a flexible cable that rides inside fixed sections of tubing mounted to each flap. About the only way to make the radiators removeable would be to secure them around their perimeter with some small, flush headed screws. Good luck with it.


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I thought about this for a long time and determined that a reliable functional joint was better than something that is hidden and doesn't work well. The trouble you have is that it has to move so dramatically with the dihederal angle. You get the best mechanical advantage on the inner section if you go to the back edge of the flap, so that is what I did. I laminated plywood to make a fork that captures the inner section on the outside and on the inside. It is not a visible destraction and it works perfectly. You will also notice from my pictures that I hid my wing mount screws under the inner flap section as well. I used two 6-32 cap head screws on each side.
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Old 11-13-2003 | 10:22 AM
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thanx for all info,

Leo, exactly what i was looking for [sm=thumbup.gif]
Old 11-13-2003 | 11:49 AM
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how does that hold up in use Leo? seems like it may break off when deployed?? looks great though..[8D]
Old 11-13-2003 | 01:41 PM
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Well, my son Zach and I have constructed this arrangement exactly the same way on both our Yellow Spitfires. He has about 75 flights and I have about 65. All documented. Not a hint of degradation yet. We do not push on the short portion when opening and closing them manually. That would break it for sure. We also have never belly landed on them which would strip them off quickly. So in the scheme of things, I would say this is a very robust system.
Old 11-13-2003 | 04:33 PM
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by the way nice finish Leo! [sm=thumbup.gif] what's your technique 4 the rivets?
Old 11-13-2003 | 04:54 PM
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i think thats a great idea.....i think i would try aluminum though. i will have to store this info for future use thank you!
Old 11-13-2003 | 07:27 PM
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Regarding rivet. You prime the plane then burn them in with a soldering iron. 40-Watt on a reostat to cool it down a little. The tip is a sharpened piece of brass tubing. You make a 1/64th plywood template with holes in it to help you with the spacing. A wing takes about 15 hours per side to do it. A fuse takes about 10 hours per side. So 50 hours to rivet your airplane. No time at all!

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