Meister Scale Fw190 D-9
04-28-2006, 12:05 PM
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Meister Scale Fw190 D-9
I don't know if anyone is interested. The Meister Scale 19D-9 has alway had problems with get any gear other than CJM into the wing. I have been working on this problem for a while. I use to build all the Meister Prototype planes so I have been doing this for a while. I have the 190-D-9 wing redrawn with a thicker root rib. (more scale thickness)
You are now able to get other gear into the wing and even totally enclose a 6" wheel. Before you really had to work to find a wheel that would fit into the wing. The Serria Gear is what I have used and also the Serria 6" wheel . I have included pic's of the new wing mounted on the plane....
Ty
You are now able to get other gear into the wing and even totally enclose a 6" wheel. Before you really had to work to find a wheel that would fit into the wing. The Serria Gear is what I have used and also the Serria 6" wheel . I have included pic's of the new wing mounted on the plane....
Ty
04-28-2006, 12:13 PM
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RE: Meister Scale Fw190 D-9
The new wing incorporates a built in front faring the the original wing did not. There is minimal changes made to the fuse to fit this new wing to. The wing saddle is a little deeper but I have a template to make the wing saddle correct for the new wing. I still have to close the wing up but that s the easy part.
Ty
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04-28-2006, 05:07 PM
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RE: Meister Scale Fw190 D-9
Jeff,
Check with Rich Eggleston in MI. I think Dave bought his A model. That plane had the Sierra gear installed in the stock wing. Things stuck out a little but it wasn't too bad.
Chris
Check with Rich Eggleston in MI. I think Dave bought his A model. That plane had the Sierra gear installed in the stock wing. Things stuck out a little but it wasn't too bad.
Chris
04-28-2006, 05:47 PM
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RE: Meister Scale Fw190 D-9
Hey Ty,
Looking good. Being able to use Sierra's gear on these 190's is really nice. The long legs make it a must for "robust" gear in there unless you grease it in every time.
Jeff - Just buy that Ta-152 already!
Chris, the 190 I bought from Rich with the Sierra gear has the modified wing. Rich did the same thing and thickened the ribs from just past the gear rails and inward. They fit in all the way, although it has Glennis wheels and I think they are thinner than Daryl's wheel. Not sure if those would fit or not but I think they would. BTW - How's your Zwilling coming? Better have her ready for the Owatonna event!
Ty, How many Meister kits have you built over the years? I'm sure more than a few
Dave
Looking good. Being able to use Sierra's gear on these 190's is really nice. The long legs make it a must for "robust" gear in there unless you grease it in every time.
Jeff - Just buy that Ta-152 already!
Chris, the 190 I bought from Rich with the Sierra gear has the modified wing. Rich did the same thing and thickened the ribs from just past the gear rails and inward. They fit in all the way, although it has Glennis wheels and I think they are thinner than Daryl's wheel. Not sure if those would fit or not but I think they would. BTW - How's your Zwilling coming? Better have her ready for the Owatonna event!
Ty, How many Meister kits have you built over the years? I'm sure more than a few
Dave
05-05-2006, 08:41 AM
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RE: Meister Scale Fw190 D-9
Landrel T Brown,
I finally disassembled that OS FS90 you sold me. It was full of rustly acidic sludge, the bearings were totalled as was the piston, cylinder, wrist pin and con rod. The c clips for the wrist pin had scored the cylinder so bad the engine is completely junk. Even the castings are porous from the acid in the case.
Your ad said good condition. You ****!!
I finally disassembled that OS FS90 you sold me. It was full of rustly acidic sludge, the bearings were totalled as was the piston, cylinder, wrist pin and con rod. The c clips for the wrist pin had scored the cylinder so bad the engine is completely junk. Even the castings are porous from the acid in the case.
Your ad said good condition. You ****!!
02-11-2007, 01:58 PM
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RE: Meister Scale Fw190 D-9
I know its been a long time since this was first posted. But there is a plan, laser cut ribs and build DVD available for this conversion.
It really makes the gear easier to install and get a more scale wheel into the wing.
Ty
It really makes the gear easier to install and get a more scale wheel into the wing.
Ty
03-08-2007, 06:27 PM
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As a courousy to all our customers I must advise the group that Meister Scale has the FW 190 wing rib upgrade available to all customers. This will be a FREE upgrade to new orders placed.
www.meister-scale.com
www.meister-scale.com
03-08-2007, 11:18 PM
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RE: Meister Scale Fw190 D-9
Yes but there is a difference in the wings. The original wing is alot thinner and the gear "has" to be move inward to make it all work. With this new wing I fixed all the problems that were caused by the original design.
Everyone has to remember that when this plane was designed the only maker of wheels the size and thickness needed was the Williams Brothers Smooth Contour wheels. CJM was the only Gear designer would to make a gear for it, that you did not have to alter in some way. Yes Robart would make a set but you still had to take a belt sander to the top of it to make them fit in the wing So things have evolved and the wing had to change if you want to use what is available today. This wing still has the Great Meister style airfoil. But it allows a more scale gear to be used in the proper scale location and also incorporates the wing fairing the real plane had and not the straight leading edge.
Here are samples of the different wing ribs. There is an obvious difference. This wing came about because of Steven Curry was building a 190 for competition. It had to have a scale outline and fit a more scale wheel in the wing and he wanted to used the Sierra gear. You can see the bigest difference in the rib#1. The new wing has the fairing and an actual wheel well designed for a more scale wheel. The spar was also moved rearward for more room also
These are pics of all the ribs where the Sierra gear is located rib for rib. Outlined on rib #7 is the mech for the Sierra Gear there at the outermost point. It would go outside the sheeting of the original wing.
Ty
Everyone has to remember that when this plane was designed the only maker of wheels the size and thickness needed was the Williams Brothers Smooth Contour wheels. CJM was the only Gear designer would to make a gear for it, that you did not have to alter in some way. Yes Robart would make a set but you still had to take a belt sander to the top of it to make them fit in the wing So things have evolved and the wing had to change if you want to use what is available today. This wing still has the Great Meister style airfoil. But it allows a more scale gear to be used in the proper scale location and also incorporates the wing fairing the real plane had and not the straight leading edge.
Here are samples of the different wing ribs. There is an obvious difference. This wing came about because of Steven Curry was building a 190 for competition. It had to have a scale outline and fit a more scale wheel in the wing and he wanted to used the Sierra gear. You can see the bigest difference in the rib#1. The new wing has the fairing and an actual wheel well designed for a more scale wheel. The spar was also moved rearward for more room also
These are pics of all the ribs where the Sierra gear is located rib for rib. Outlined on rib #7 is the mech for the Sierra Gear there at the outermost point. It would go outside the sheeting of the original wing.
Ty
03-09-2007, 09:10 AM
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RE: Meister Scale Fw190 D-9
Everyone has to remember that when this plane was designed the only maker of wheels the size and thickness needed was the Williams Brothers Smooth Contour wheels.
This kit wasn't a "scale" kit on the level of a PCM, etc., but designed as a sport flyer, thus the belief that the flat bottom wing was better.
Ribs look good
Dennis
03-09-2007, 09:51 AM
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Dennis,
Your are right. I knew about your wheels and forgot to mention them. The Mesiter 190's were designed for the eveyday builder and flier. Not for the competition. It nice that people have strived to make them look as scale as possible though.
The true 1/4 scale wheel is 6.5". But a 6" is about the biggest you can get into the wing . I was trying to make the transition to the new wing as easy as possible. So the Sierra gear could be installed into the Meister 190's. Even Steven and Evan were trying to get a 6.5" into there wings and it just can't be done. The problem and most people don't know that on the real fockewulf gear is that when the gear leg was going into the up position it also raked back toward the rear 14 degrees. If Someone made a gear to do that then a 6.5" wheel would be possible on this type wing.
Ty
Your are right. I knew about your wheels and forgot to mention them. The Mesiter 190's were designed for the eveyday builder and flier. Not for the competition. It nice that people have strived to make them look as scale as possible though.
The true 1/4 scale wheel is 6.5". But a 6" is about the biggest you can get into the wing . I was trying to make the transition to the new wing as easy as possible. So the Sierra gear could be installed into the Meister 190's. Even Steven and Evan were trying to get a 6.5" into there wings and it just can't be done. The problem and most people don't know that on the real fockewulf gear is that when the gear leg was going into the up position it also raked back toward the rear 14 degrees. If Someone made a gear to do that then a 6.5" wheel would be possible on this type wing.
Ty
03-09-2007, 10:36 AM
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Ty and all Meister customers,
I know we have gone over this time and time again but it seems that you simply dont understand what we have done within our company, therefore I have to clear up the confusion you have started with your rib kit once again.
The rib kit is NOT neccesary to fit the Sierra gear or wheels to the stock kit. As the owner of Meister, you know I have to advise customers what they need and simply what they dont need. I know we spoke about your rib kit and I advised you that it was a great idea but its still not needed. If a customer wishes to purchase a rib kit from you, thats fine but I have to let them know its a waste of money for them. Thats my job as owner of the company you are making aftermarket parts and/or kits for which are not authorized or endorsed by Meister Scale.
Please refrain from using the name "Meister Scale" from your products.
Once again, our appologies to our current and future customers for this confusion.
I know we have gone over this time and time again but it seems that you simply dont understand what we have done within our company, therefore I have to clear up the confusion you have started with your rib kit once again.
The rib kit is NOT neccesary to fit the Sierra gear or wheels to the stock kit. As the owner of Meister, you know I have to advise customers what they need and simply what they dont need. I know we spoke about your rib kit and I advised you that it was a great idea but its still not needed. If a customer wishes to purchase a rib kit from you, thats fine but I have to let them know its a waste of money for them. Thats my job as owner of the company you are making aftermarket parts and/or kits for which are not authorized or endorsed by Meister Scale.
Please refrain from using the name "Meister Scale" from your products.
Once again, our appologies to our current and future customers for this confusion.
03-09-2007, 12:42 PM
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RE: Meister Scale Fw190 D-9
Dino how about posting some pics. of a finished wing using sierra retracts
and also when moving the gear in as you stated what is the distance between tires?? And what dia. tires were used? Thanks
and also when moving the gear in as you stated what is the distance between tires?? And what dia. tires were used? Thanks
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Ty and all Meister customers,
I know we have gone over this time and time again but it seems that you simply dont understand what we have done within our company, therefore I have to clear up the confusion you have started with your rib kit once again.
The rib kit is NOT neccesary to fit the Sierra gear or wheels to the stock kit. As the owner of Meister, you know I have to advise customers what they need and simply what they dont need. I know we spoke about your rib kit and I advised you that it was a great idea but its still not needed. If a customer wishes to purchase a rib kit from you, thats fine but I have to let them know its a waste of money for them. Thats my job as owner of the company you are making aftermarket parts and/or kits for which are not authorized or endorsed by Meister Scale.
Please refrain from using the name "Meister Scale" from your products.
Once again, our appologies to our current and future customers for this confusion.
Ty and all Meister customers,
I know we have gone over this time and time again but it seems that you simply dont understand what we have done within our company, therefore I have to clear up the confusion you have started with your rib kit once again.
The rib kit is NOT neccesary to fit the Sierra gear or wheels to the stock kit. As the owner of Meister, you know I have to advise customers what they need and simply what they dont need. I know we spoke about your rib kit and I advised you that it was a great idea but its still not needed. If a customer wishes to purchase a rib kit from you, thats fine but I have to let them know its a waste of money for them. Thats my job as owner of the company you are making aftermarket parts and/or kits for which are not authorized or endorsed by Meister Scale.
Please refrain from using the name "Meister Scale" from your products.
Once again, our appologies to our current and future customers for this confusion.
03-09-2007, 01:11 PM
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Hey Bob,
We have done this already in another post that Todd Burley previously started. The problem is after a few months, theres another post about the same thing covering the same issues and giving the same answers. I need to set up an auto reply for this issue!...lol
Here is the link to this covered problem, if you are a member
http://www.rcscalebuilder.com/forum/...s.asp?TID=7177
That will cover the questions and pictures Bob... Thanks for asking!
We have done this already in another post that Todd Burley previously started. The problem is after a few months, theres another post about the same thing covering the same issues and giving the same answers. I need to set up an auto reply for this issue!...lol
Here is the link to this covered problem, if you are a memberhttp://www.rcscalebuilder.com/forum/...s.asp?TID=7177
That will cover the questions and pictures Bob... Thanks for asking!
03-09-2007, 02:29 PM
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RE: Meister Scale Fw190 D-9
Dean,
I've got a 190A complete kit which I hope to construct in late 07'. My intention is to utilize the Sierra gear. Without increasing the thickness of the airfoil, how will the retract/tire assembly ever fit into the original design?
My 190 D (similar, if not identical wing) uses CJM gear w/ the Byron wheels and they never have completely retracted into the wing.
Please advise.
NICK
I've got a 190A complete kit which I hope to construct in late 07'. My intention is to utilize the Sierra gear. Without increasing the thickness of the airfoil, how will the retract/tire assembly ever fit into the original design?
My 190 D (similar, if not identical wing) uses CJM gear w/ the Byron wheels and they never have completely retracted into the wing.
Please advise.
NICK
03-09-2007, 02:52 PM
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Bob,
John's project was put on hold. They company had a separation in ownership and customers projects were put on hold. As soon as John finishes it up I will get you all the pics. He is using the Glennis wheels that I do know of. The last time I personally saw the plane it needed to be sheeted. The plane looks better than ever with the gear in the scale location.
Hi Nick,
The wing on the FW's are the same. John Monoghan found that moving the landing gear inward one rib location places the gear in the scale location and increasing the thickenss letting you place the Sierra gear in its proper location. This would be an easier fix with a new wing. The old finished wing would have to be modified and cut apart. Theres no easy fix after its constructed.
We are working on construction update pages for this process.
John's project was put on hold. They company had a separation in ownership and customers projects were put on hold. As soon as John finishes it up I will get you all the pics. He is using the Glennis wheels that I do know of. The last time I personally saw the plane it needed to be sheeted. The plane looks better than ever with the gear in the scale location.
Hi Nick,
The wing on the FW's are the same. John Monoghan found that moving the landing gear inward one rib location places the gear in the scale location and increasing the thickenss letting you place the Sierra gear in its proper location. This would be an easier fix with a new wing. The old finished wing would have to be modified and cut apart. Theres no easy fix after its constructed.
We are working on construction update pages for this process.
03-09-2007, 03:12 PM
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RE: Meister Scale Fw190 D-9
OK once again. The gear on the Meister Fw190 D-9 and Fw190-A model "IS" in the scale location on the plans as shown. Moving them inboard is getting "OUT" of the scale location. I have a file blown up to full 1/4 scale if anyone wants it. The leg is right on the 20" mark as shown on the current Meister plan. If anyone wants a copy of the file please e-amil me and I'll send it to you. The 3 view is from a well known source ' Aero Detail" book on the 190-D9.
I Had talked to Jim Meister in the past and Also Dick Bernier about this in the past. Jim's outline is true to scale except Or lack of wing fairing.
I have built enough of the Meister Scale planes to know what will work and know what want. I am not going to get in an argument here when I know what is correct.
Ty
I Had talked to Jim Meister in the past and Also Dick Bernier about this in the past. Jim's outline is true to scale except Or lack of wing fairing.
I have built enough of the Meister Scale planes to know what will work and know what want. I am not going to get in an argument here when I know what is correct.
Ty