H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF
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Hi John:
I agree too It's the smell,the sound,reliability and cheaper than glow in the long run!!
did you guys had fun at the big bird?
Fernando
I agree too It's the smell,the sound,reliability and cheaper than glow in the long run!!
did you guys had fun at the big bird?
Fernando
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SO, back to the plane...
Id pay double to put a gas engine on any plane anyday.. I look forward to the reports on this bird with gas power... glow slime = [:'(] haha
SO, back to the plane...
Id pay double to put a gas engine on any plane anyday.. I look forward to the reports on this bird with gas power... glow slime = [:'(] haha
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About the retracts,in Model Aviation, June issue,on page 48,Robart is coming out with an 800 series rotating pneumatic gear for 8-18 Ibs planes....has anybody check with them for availability and price?..Just curious...
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I look forward to the reports on this bird with gas power...
I look forward to the reports on this bird with gas power...
The engine itself might even be physically smaller than the zen 20.
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RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF
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The FPE 1.3 (21cc) gasser is narrower than the zen 20, so its carb won't stick out: [link]http://www.firstplaceengines.com/fpe13.html[/link]
The engine itself might even be physically smaller than the zen 20.
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I look forward to the reports on this bird with gas power...
I look forward to the reports on this bird with gas power...
The engine itself might even be physically smaller than the zen 20.
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Another good option would be the new BME G90 gasser. That engine would definitely fit with nothing sticking out except for the exhaust pipes from the inverted Pitts muffler.
Another good option would be the new BME G90 gasser. That engine would definitely fit with nothing sticking out except for the exhaust pipes from the inverted Pitts muffler.
http://www.bmeengine.com/html/point90.htm
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Hi John:
I agree too It's the smell,the sound,reliability and cheaper than glow in the long run!!
did you guys had fun at the big bird?
Fernando
Hi John:
I agree too It's the smell,the sound,reliability and cheaper than glow in the long run!!
did you guys had fun at the big bird?
Fernando
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Mine arrived today: Looks Great! I decided I can't 'butcher' this one up, I'll leave it pretty much as is. I WILL open the cowl up some, for more scale appearance. I may also decide to add the 'Cat's Mouth & Eyes'. Will definately add bigger wheels as well: most likely Dave Brown 3 1/2".
I may get another one down the road, and 'butcher/ bash/ 'glass & paint that one, as well as add retract tailwheel. Just can't do it to this one tho. It shoud be flying by Father's Day.
The retract bays look to be a little wider than the retracts, opening up possibilities for substitutions. I have a set of Rhom Airs that need a home, as well as a set of CJs. I'll check it out when I have more time.
I may get another one down the road, and 'butcher/ bash/ 'glass & paint that one, as well as add retract tailwheel. Just can't do it to this one tho. It shoud be flying by Father's Day.
The retract bays look to be a little wider than the retracts, opening up possibilities for substitutions. I have a set of Rhom Airs that need a home, as well as a set of CJs. I'll check it out when I have more time.
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RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF
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Could someone post some pictures of the Hellcat? I need a side profile picture of the fuselage and bottom of wing if you could. Thanks,
Dion
Could someone post some pictures of the Hellcat? I need a side profile picture of the fuselage and bottom of wing if you could. Thanks,
Dion
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OK Luke ole buddy: here are the requested pics. I stood about 100 ft away, tried my best to be exactly perpendicular to the subject, used zoom and cropped to get as accurate as possible. Despite my efforts, it appears that I was slightly 'above' the one without the canopy, and the one with the canopy did not focus properly.
In comparing to the Hollman fuselage: the H9 version is slightly larger, and thus oversized to the wing/ out of scale. Therefor, it was not possible for me to compare to the drawings. It would be easier done with scanned drawings. Hmmm: would the H9 fuselage be better mated to a CMP wing, and the CMP fuselage mated to an H9 wing? Nah, never happen.
How much oversize? these approximate measurements were take from the wing leading edge position (on the fuselage) to the tail cone (NOT the rudder):
H9 fuselage- 40 7/8"
Hollman fuselage- 39 1/4"
To go along with the added length, the H9 version was also slightly taller. The Hollman cowl will not fit on the H9 fuselage, as the Hollman cowl is about 3/4 shorter (top to bottom at the rear) than the H9 cowl.
The canopy picture is decepting because of the early style canpoy used on the H9 version. It appears to be significantly larger. However, the measurement from the front to the armor bulkhead area is pretty close to being the same, and the H9 one fits on the Hollman fuselage fairly well as can be seen.
In comparing to the Hollman fuselage: the H9 version is slightly larger, and thus oversized to the wing/ out of scale. Therefor, it was not possible for me to compare to the drawings. It would be easier done with scanned drawings. Hmmm: would the H9 fuselage be better mated to a CMP wing, and the CMP fuselage mated to an H9 wing? Nah, never happen.
How much oversize? these approximate measurements were take from the wing leading edge position (on the fuselage) to the tail cone (NOT the rudder):
H9 fuselage- 40 7/8"
Hollman fuselage- 39 1/4"
To go along with the added length, the H9 version was also slightly taller. The Hollman cowl will not fit on the H9 fuselage, as the Hollman cowl is about 3/4 shorter (top to bottom at the rear) than the H9 cowl.
The canopy picture is decepting because of the early style canpoy used on the H9 version. It appears to be significantly larger. However, the measurement from the front to the armor bulkhead area is pretty close to being the same, and the H9 one fits on the Hollman fuselage fairly well as can be seen.
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While I had the Hollman fuselage out, I got curious and tried this out for size: an H9 wing on the Holmman fuselage. The rear of the wing is not seated because the H9 dowels on the front of the wing are hanging up on the inside of the Hollman fuselage. A little use of Dremel would take care of that.
Wow, looks pretty good to me and has me wondering: how soon before H9 offers a wing kit? The Corsair wings sell for about $100. If the Hellcat ones go for the same , I am definately interested.
Would anyone be interested in my Bob Hollman wing kit, to build for your CMP Hellcat? If so, I'll get the H9 wing when they become availabe, and build this (Hollman fuselage) into an electric powered Hellcat.
Of course, probably the best canopy for the Hollman fuselage would be the ones made by Luke, as well as a cockpit kit. But that ain't gonna happen, is it Luke?
Wow, looks pretty good to me and has me wondering: how soon before H9 offers a wing kit? The Corsair wings sell for about $100. If the Hellcat ones go for the same , I am definately interested.
Would anyone be interested in my Bob Hollman wing kit, to build for your CMP Hellcat? If so, I'll get the H9 wing when they become availabe, and build this (Hollman fuselage) into an electric powered Hellcat.
Of course, probably the best canopy for the Hollman fuselage would be the ones made by Luke, as well as a cockpit kit. But that ain't gonna happen, is it Luke?
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A few notes on the instructions:
Manual states
1) "Position the engine so the front of the drive washer is 5 9/16" (142mm) from the firewall" (page 21).
2) that the cowl should be positioned on "the fuselage so it is 5 1/2" (140mm) from the firewall" (page 27).
Assuming they mean the fron of the cowl to the firewall, this leave only 1/16" (2mm) of prop to cowl clearance, IF the blades are even with the drive washer. Something wrong here.
A little investigation reveals that the ideal location for the cowl (as far as lining up the colors properly) is about 5" from front to firewall. That would leave about 9/16" clearance, which is certainly better than the 1/16", and close to how I usually set mine up for. So I'm thinking: set the cowl up at 5", and the drive washer up at 5 3/8 ~ 5 1/2" to firewall. Anybody else have thoughts on this? Maybe they mean from the front of the dummy radial to the firewall: that would make more sense.
Another thing: having decided that I will not re-cover/ re-finish this one, I WILL be making a trip to my LHS to pick up a roll of Ultracote Midnite Blue, so that I can properly recover the upper surface of the stab and elevators.
Still more: I took measurements on one of My H9 Corsairs and this Hellcat and discovered tha main wheels will be even closer to the recommended CG on the Hellcat than the on the Corsairs. Thus, I really want to do something about the landing gear, as in: replace it. I have a set of Robart mechanicals which look like they'll fit. With them, I could use titanium strut wires and RoboStruts. The RomAirs are a little too wide, and would have to be modified. The stock H9 Hellcat retracts have the same mechanisms, but with the HD ball joints and the strut wires appear different: they have a sorta bronze color, maybe a different temperment (don't know much about metalergy)?
Manual states
1) "Position the engine so the front of the drive washer is 5 9/16" (142mm) from the firewall" (page 21).
2) that the cowl should be positioned on "the fuselage so it is 5 1/2" (140mm) from the firewall" (page 27).
Assuming they mean the fron of the cowl to the firewall, this leave only 1/16" (2mm) of prop to cowl clearance, IF the blades are even with the drive washer. Something wrong here.
A little investigation reveals that the ideal location for the cowl (as far as lining up the colors properly) is about 5" from front to firewall. That would leave about 9/16" clearance, which is certainly better than the 1/16", and close to how I usually set mine up for. So I'm thinking: set the cowl up at 5", and the drive washer up at 5 3/8 ~ 5 1/2" to firewall. Anybody else have thoughts on this? Maybe they mean from the front of the dummy radial to the firewall: that would make more sense.
Another thing: having decided that I will not re-cover/ re-finish this one, I WILL be making a trip to my LHS to pick up a roll of Ultracote Midnite Blue, so that I can properly recover the upper surface of the stab and elevators.
Still more: I took measurements on one of My H9 Corsairs and this Hellcat and discovered tha main wheels will be even closer to the recommended CG on the Hellcat than the on the Corsairs. Thus, I really want to do something about the landing gear, as in: replace it. I have a set of Robart mechanicals which look like they'll fit. With them, I could use titanium strut wires and RoboStruts. The RomAirs are a little too wide, and would have to be modified. The stock H9 Hellcat retracts have the same mechanisms, but with the HD ball joints and the strut wires appear different: they have a sorta bronze color, maybe a different temperment (don't know much about metalergy)?
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I have a Holman Hellcat that I have have completed for about 4 years and have only had a few good flights on. It is scaled out fairly well ( panel lines ,panel lines and rivet details. It is heavy (too much paint). All of the markings are painted on except the kill markings. I had Rohm air rotating retracts in it and they would not hold up to the weight (12 1/2 lbs). The plane flew well just wouldn't land well no matter how well I greased it in. I now have converted a pair of spring air to 90 degres rotating but have yet to try them. They seem to be much sturdier. I too have order a H-9 Hellcat as I really like Hellcats and am anixous to compare the two. see the attached pictures of my Holman.
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lets not forget the ww2 air and gas!!!!!!! now i know why I dont belong to a club! Bought it esterday its beautiful mine will be electric. No cowl holes and a scale engine! there are sound cards and 4 in speakers that have the actual recording of the radial !
Im thing axi or e flite outrunners,the lipos will cost a fortune though
Im thing axi or e flite outrunners,the lipos will cost a fortune though
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hellcat1: that sounds pretty heavy for the Hollman Hellcat. Looks pretty good tho: those Hollman kits may have been the best 1/8 scale Hellcat kits ever made. Only real completion would be the Royal/ Marutaka Hellcats.
My Hollman 'glass fuselage is LIGHT, which is why I am thinking electric. If the fuselage was mated to an H9 Hellcat wing, I'm pretty sure I could get it into the air with electric power weighing in at right around 8 lbs.
Like about $135 for a 6S 4000 mAh? Check out SkyShark for some good deals on Li-Pos
AXI 4130 series (/16 OR /20) work well with all the other H9 warbirds. I have the 4130/16 with 3 blade Master Airscrew 14 x 7 on my H9 Corsair: flies GREAT! My future projects will use the 4130/20 tho, and they will be able to swing bigger props (Like 3 blade Master Airscrew 16 x 8). I also don't waste my money on 70 ~ 80 amp controllers, when 40 ~45 amps ones work just fine. In fact, I keep static current draw to around 30 amps or less. That's roughly 600 watts input, PLENTY for an 8 ~ 9 lb warbird.
My Hollman 'glass fuselage is LIGHT, which is why I am thinking electric. If the fuselage was mated to an H9 Hellcat wing, I'm pretty sure I could get it into the air with electric power weighing in at right around 8 lbs.
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............................... Im thing axi or e flite outrunners,the lipos will cost a fortune though
............................... Im thing axi or e flite outrunners,the lipos will cost a fortune though
AXI 4130 series (/16 OR /20) work well with all the other H9 warbirds. I have the 4130/16 with 3 blade Master Airscrew 14 x 7 on my H9 Corsair: flies GREAT! My future projects will use the 4130/20 tho, and they will be able to swing bigger props (Like 3 blade Master Airscrew 16 x 8). I also don't waste my money on 70 ~ 80 amp controllers, when 40 ~45 amps ones work just fine. In fact, I keep static current draw to around 30 amps or less. That's roughly 600 watts input, PLENTY for an 8 ~ 9 lb warbird.
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I just picked up the HellCat today. The landing gear looks more heavy duty than my buddies H9 P51. Plenty of ply anchoring the retract. Got the JR retract servo, 200 oz of torque, that thing out to hold up any landing gear. I love gas, looking forward to the results of the gas conversion and balancing issues. My LHS told me no way a gas motor should be put in that kit becuase it will make it too heavy after adding significant weight to the tail. I've got a large 1/4 scale with Fuji motor and just love the thing, if gas would work in the HellCat I'm all over it.
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Plus some of us love gas engines for reliability,longevity,already mentioned fuel costs,and my favorite and personal reason no dealing with all that glow oil mess at the end of the day.As said to each his own enjoy your glow engines
Plus some of us love gas engines for reliability,longevity,already mentioned fuel costs,and my favorite and personal reason no dealing with all that glow oil mess at the end of the day.As said to each his own enjoy your glow engines
Side note, I have the same situation with my OS FT160 as well.
Note to Dick Pettit: Please let us hear what kind of battery draw you get on your ignition system (if you are going to use the Electronic ignition system)
Bill, AMA 4720
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Yes CorsairJock my Hellcat did come out heavy. I was hoping fot 10 lbs, but I glassed all the balsa parts and used several costs of primer to get the panel lines on the fuse to stand out. The glass fuse only weighed 1 1/2 lbs before I started. It has 8 servos and it took a lb and 1/2 to balance it. I have an OS .91 Surpass in it. It's not a power house with that much weight but will fly it. I had planned to compete in scale expert with it and may yet if these retracts work out. I just ordered the H-9 to have a Hellcat to fly every day but I plan to put a retractable tailwheel and flaps on it. I couldn't stand to see a Hellcat flying with a wheel haging down in back. The Holman Hellcat flys very well, but you have to keep the speed up on landing or she will drop on you quick.
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RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF
Has anyone given any thought to putting the tailwheel in the scale location and making it retractable? Also how about making this into a building thread so when problems arise and are solved we can share the results?