x3heimmr

Hey Jeff,
Good luck with the Meister P-47. It should be an easier build - especially if you go with a lazer cut kit. The Nosen is a bear with all of the customization needed along the way to allow for retracts and a bigger motor.
Thanks,
x3

x3heimmr

Well,
I’m getting the urge to finish the P-47 so here is a short list of what needs to be done. With some determination, we’ll have this bird ready for paint in early Sprint 2009.

Fuselage:
Run throttle linkage to motor.
Install kill switch.
Install choke linkage.
Complete the cowl ring mounts.
Cut Vents and Waste Gates.
Assembly cockpit paint, and install it.
Paint inside of canopy and attach it.
Install radio switches, charge jacks, fuel dot, air fill valve.
Make tail wheel retract doors and install.

Horizontal Stab:
Cut servo pocket holes.
Make servo pockets and covers to hold servos in place.
Cut hole for Servo Y lead to exit front of stab.

Elevators:
Finish sanding.
Bevel leading edge.
Install Control Horn.

Rudder:
Finish Sanding.
Bevel leading edge.
Install dual control horn.


Wing:
Reinforce with fiberglass the center section where the two halves are joined
Run retract air lines.
Cut out servo pocket holes.
Make servo pockets and covers to hold servos in place.
Drill hinge point holes.
Once the wing installation is complete, make the fillet on the fuse.
Make the Belly Pan.
Lay up fiberglass gear doors and trim to shape.
Cut out gear doors on wing.
Install retracts and mount the gear doors to check fit.

Ailerons and Flaps:
Finish Sanding.
Drill holes for hinge points.
Install Control horns.

Finish sand everything fill and sand some more.
Glass is all
Sand it all
Paint
Glue in the hinge points on the control surfaces.
Check everything over and over and over.
Make another list of things I forgot.

x3heimmr

Almost time to start building again. Have started cleaning off the building table. I'm going to focus on the fuse first starting with the tail servo installations and then move forward until ready to mount the motor the final time. Has anyone got the dimensions of the WWII 5" rockets like the ones in this picture?

prop wash

X3 where are you???How much have you gotten done??Will you finnish her by spring??
Tom

x3heimmr

Tom,
No way she'll be done by Spring. I've made some progress but not much. I haven't been able to get motivated this Winter......... I'll post some pics. I have a detailed list of things that need to be done. I've decided to start at the tail and move forward until I get to the nose and have the motor mounted and completely rigged. Right now, the tail is together and rudder / elevator are hinged. I have servo pockets cut in the horizontal stab but they are not finished.
Thanks,
X3

prop wash

X3 I gave my P47 to my friend and he is starting to build it .He is not really sure that he will ever fly her.[I think he will]The guy who started the kit made a lot of mistakes and he is correcting them. I didn't start on it because I had too many of my own to repare or finnish so he now has it.I sure would like to see you fly yours.Tom

x3heimmr

She will fly. I do not have any hangar queens. It just may take another year or two more. I am slow and meticulous. There is no real deadline. Plus I am finding that I enjoy this kind of long drawn out build. To give you a frame of reference, I have recently put in an inground swimming pool at my house my self. It took three years from start to finish......... It would be good to see some pics of your friends P47 in progress.
Thanks,
X3

prop wash

I'll give him a call and let him know.I coppied all of your posts and then gave them to him.Big help. Thanks .Tom

x3heimmr

Bump,
Still here - no building progress.....
X3

tony67

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Hi
I have a Nosen p-47 that I got in a trade have set it up and is now ready for it's maiden could anyone please let me know the CG.
Thank you.

x3heimmr

Tony,
I'll check the CG on my plans and let you know where it is.
Thanks,
X3

x3heimmr

Here are some new pics of progress. Hope to get a lot of building in this winter. More sheeting completed on the fuse. Tail feathers are hinged. Leading edge needs to be shaped. Gear cutouts are roughed in on the wing. Locations are marked for hinging. Plus a pic of the next build project.
X3.

x3heimmr

Tony,
Plans show CG 8" from leading edge of the wing measured at the center of the wing.
Thanks,
X3

funfly-RCU

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Ok Guys, just got my second Nosen P47, this one has been started, im looking for the plan sheet with the landing gear mods, i did have a copy but i gave them away to someone on here. anyone have a copy that i could get.

nimmo1971

Hey fellas my names nimmo,im pretty sure i have this plane.It was given to me&i dont know much about it.looking for a set of plans,contact me@[email protected] thanks!!

x3heimmr

Hi All,
Got some building done this weekend. All of the control surfaces are hinged. I'll get some pics up later. I have the retract mod sheets and can also make copies of the original plans. Send me a PM and we'll make arrangements. Be warned. I am slow and do not reply for weeks at a time sometimes.
Thanks,
X3

G-Pete

You got that right

x3heimmr

Flaps and arelons are hinged. Need some motivation to get back to work on this thing. Anyone out there still following this thread?
Thanks,
X3

prop wash

X3 I'm still here.I enjoy your build[very slow but thats OK].My buddy still has not started on his build,I think he is intimitated about it.Maybe some day I'll ask him if I can have it back. It's a tuff kit to build especially when some body else started it and made some lousy mistakes.Hope you are doing OK.Maybe we will bump into each other at some War Bird Day in Indiana this year. Tom

chuck0306

Hi x3heimmr,

I have been enjoying your thread and have read it many times. It's just about the only information I have for documentation for my Nosen P-47.

I have a partially finished Bud Nosen P-47 that has been sitting for about 5 years since my last surge of progress, and about 5 years before that since I bought it. I have recently started working on it again. It has a Quadra 82, Annco Main Retracts, 6 1/2" Wheels and a Robart tail retract.

I've been wanting to post on this thread for years, but just never find the time. Now I want to post some pics of my build in progress, especially since there is not any other info about this kit on the web that I've been able to locate.

Your text and pics of the retract mounting has been extremely helpful to me in just getting a handle on how to mount them, but I have absolutely no instructions or templates. I even enlarged you photo of the plywood rib layout, to see if I could use it as a template to determine how to mount the mains. Any additional details you could post on this would be very useful to me and (unless I'm the last of the Nosen P-47 builds ever) others who may follow. If there is any way to post or send a copy of your rib templates, they would be invaluable.

I will post some new pics of my latest progress soon.

It's been some time since you've posted and I hope that you are still making progress!

Chuck

chuck0306

Here are some additional photos.

chuck0306

That would be great, thank you!

x3heimmr

Got some building done. Working on the servo pockets on the bottom of the wing for the flaps and arelons. Will post pics eventually. I've changed cameras and computers since my last pics were posted.

Chuck,
I don't know if I can post pics of the retract mods. Annco is not in business but I don't know if its legal to post scans of the plans or even pics of the plans. We'll see about it.
ThanksX3

x3heimmr

Retract mods... get out your sizzors and tape.
X3

coka

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Hi friends.

Some time ago I found this topic and was pleasantly supriced that some of us are still building thisplane.
As first, I must make one small trip to past and wrote you about how I came to posesion of this plane.

Some 20 or 25 yearsago, my late fathers friend bought in on his trip to USA.

It was the biggest airplane I have seen. At that time nobody was flying gas planes in our county, so this was a real adventure.

He intended to modify for him one engine of Husquarna chain saw, of 44cc.

After many agotiations, I managed to make a deal of giving him a brand new GraupnersCessna Cardinal and os max 40 in box, for this plane and engine.

My father and I modified the engine but it ends up on aerobatic plane Diabolo, which we built on following years.

The engine runs fine but was very heavy and was terribly hard to start by hand, because of cdi ignition.

Those years we did started to built this plane but haven’t had any ideas of what engine, servos and retracts to put in.

For the beginning, we made fuselage frame, cowl, vertical stab frame and horizontal stab frame.

I went to faculty these years so the big jug stands for many years.

I must admit, that this project did drove my attention from time to time, and at least 5 minutes every day.

However, I did not do anything on it.

Some times ago, Ibought one ZG 62 and intended to put it on it.

The main occasion which boosted this project was when one my friend started to make big warbirds.

Since I was his test pilot for all projects, I did have opportunity to become familiar with big warbirds.

As old time aerobaticand F3a (not 3d) pilot, I was very amazed with those big airplanes and with reality of flight.

It makes me feel likeIm flying in them.

Althought my biggest warbird airplanes vere H9 Corsair and CMP Zero 120, I flew my friends Top FlightThunderbolt, Ziroli Helcat and biger

version of CMP Zero with over 2m wingspan.

I will not mention many else H9 and Kyosho warbirds as they are to small to compare with topic of this tread.

Few years ago my friend, who am I speaking of, suggested me to finish the jug as our joined venture.

I agreed at once.

Iprovided the complete material, engine and offered to participate in all other costs.

I was also supposed to built wings while the rest was on my friends account, laborly speaking.

At this time he straightend up some twists in fuselage structure, wich probably hapents during many years of standing.

After a while, like it use to hapents in joined ventures, we failed to make agreements on a many questions.

My idea was to make this project as hand made airplane with as mutch as possible hand made stuffs.

I also wanted to cover it with flite metal. I also wanted to made detachabletail and wings in two peaces with center part fixed to a fuselage.

Among else, I didn’twant to spent thousand of dollars at once to made this plane.

As a matter a fact, I always wanted to enjoy in building this plane rather then made it as somebody is hunting me.

But for the last, I didn’t want this plane to become one of those we built, I wanted it to be THE ONE.

So, it comes back to me.

In this moving, we lost the plan of a fuselage.

Short while ago, I lost my biggest friend and my flying buddy-my dad.

At the day of a funeral I find out that my wife is praignant so it makes me asking for a big project for the days of mixed happines and sorouto come.

I needed something to ocupate my minds in the time which I would spent thinking of him.

Some one month ago, I continued where my father and I stopped many years ago.

The basic ideas were:

1. Makinga big, scale jug

2. making the wings and horizontal tail detachable

3. usingMoki 150 radial (so i imidiately sold my zg 62)

4. makinga metal finish

5. revorking all controls to a scale manner

6. making fire wall detachable (with bolts)

7. Making as mutch as I can hand made items. After all I do have a small machining shop of my own

8. Iintend to make my own cowl with automatically operated gils

I wanted to avoid having any big holes on the fuselage. The only big opening is through canopy and when you detach the firewall, which should be done with 6 bolts.

All servos should be mounted in wings and tail….so the only item remaining its place in fuselage is receiver.

I do have Jr9303 and intended to use HS 5645 on all surfaces, with twin A123 bateries as power supply.

Im using a jrpowerbox with 4 satelites in my jet so I do not plan to change a winning combo.

One of my friend made a prototype of nicely working electric retracts, so this is open idea, for now.

Some of material was missing.
It turns out that this is only some balsa planks and several broken items, which was easily remade.

The wooden cowl I plan to use as a model for making mold.
I do have a lot of experience withfiberglass so this would be easier and for sure mutch more pleasure giving than buying it.
I also intend to made automatic opening gils using the thermostat from car engine.

So I started.

Having seen many problems with the planking and having ondulated planks, I decided to install additional stringers on fuse.

The verticalstabilizer was deformed, so I cut the leading edge and reworked it.

I also cutt of the tipblock and install one small rib. Also I often use one false leading edge made from 1/16” balsa to which I gly the plank to. After this is done, I glue the leading edge.

This is very time and effort saving, while the weight is very low.

The big modification was made on horizontal tail, because I cutted it in three peaces.

The center one is supposed to be fixed to a fuselage, while the left and right panel are fixed by aluminium tube of 18mm and are detachable.

I made one former, which is placed between the last one and the one before it, which carry the loads of a tail.
It was a pretty tricky to make it on a already built fuselage.

I installed the spars on all tail parts. The spars are ¼ “ spruce with vertical balsa vebbing.

The spar of a verticaland horizontal tail are meeting it self, so the semi rib do cary all loads together.

The most work was making a center part of wings.
I cutted the wing on W3 rib.
I will use two 30mm alu tubes, one in front of the first spar and the other in front of the rear spar.

After all, it isessential to transfer the loads from spar to spar.

The original ribs vere very soft so I reinforced it wit 2.5mm and 3mm plywood.(on the place wher tubes protrude and where the retracts are mounted)

I also made big openings in centerplane ribs because many lines should be attached during attaching wings to a fuselage.

I made composite wingtubes by rolling two rools of aluminium foil over alu tube.
After waxing it with oskar 6, I spread one thick layer of alchohol releasing liquid and lay a 3layers of 100gr glass cloth with epoxy.

I detached it without any problems.

The wing sections from rib 11 to the tip was build as sole parts because my friend intended to made wings detachable on this points.

Because I changed this setup, I must connect it to a center parts.

As soon as I start building center parts I will let you know how I did that

Today, I started building flaps and ailerons.

I highly modified the plan as real jug did have a fries aleron and flaps. So, I replaced the leading edge of those items with ½ “ balsa and reversed the ribs of a aileron. The section of aileron and flaps must have clark Y like section.

But we will come to that later.

Since im a aeronautical engineer, I was always very willing to play with flaps to make it more efficient.

For some of you who know it, this might be boring, but if you haven’t heard it let me say that the increased lift is made with deploying the flaps by three means:

If you are interested in this, please join me in my future work on this plane.
For the end of this session, let me thank you for writing this topic and posting pictures on it.
Many missing details I manage to reconstruct by enlarging pictures you have posted.

Since very few of usare making planes in our country, (not counting arf-s), any suggestions, observations as plain mind exchanging are always very welcome by me.

Have a great and happy new year