ProfLooney

I have found the ultimate Emil Pain Scheme the problem is the website is in French and I cant read french and second it is right click protected. I can get around the right click stuff with a print screen so thats no problem. My Problem is the Pic is Black and White and I am in need of info on the paint scheme colors etc. If someone can read french and let me know any info on the plane I would appreciate it if someone knows something about the plane that would help lots too. I know there are a lot of 109 Gurus out there maybe someone has an out of print book with info on the plane that would help tremendously. I been searching for every plane I have ever done for an obscure but cool paint scheme and never have I found one to match this one. I gotta have it no other will do. Here is the webpage http://frenchaces.free.fr/avions/luftwaffe/bf109e.html it is the black and white pic on the left at the top of the page. I will try and capture the screen and post the pic here.

Joe

ProfLooney

Here is the Pic the nose and rudder look yellow with camo and the fuse looks standard mottled camo but there is something else in with the mottling a dark squiggles and I cant make out the emblem in front of the cockpit. And also what version Emil

Joe

Oryx

I have seen that one a few times before. I think some of the plastic model aftermarket decal companies also make decals for that particular Emil.

According to Robert Peczkowski's "Messerchmitt Bf-109E", in the Mushroom Model Magazine Special series, p-64:

Bf-109E-7/B of II/JG 54, Yugoslavia, April 1941. Personal aircraft of Lt. Heindel. Camouflage RLM 71/02/65 plus blotches of RLM 02/70/71. It looks like quite a challenging scheme to recreate...

ProfLooney

thanks that helps a lot it gives me a starting point at least and a pilot to research. Yes it looks challenging but thats why I chose it if I can gather enough data. I can always fake it if i cant find it all but mine will be a competition plane when done so I have to at least find enough info to make the scale judges happy.

Joe

ProfLooney

Well thanks to your info I now have the insignia in front of the cockpit so I can make masks for that. This projects down the road a little ways but it takes time to collect your reference material and put together your documentation book before beginning to build.

Thanks again
Joe

Grumpy Monkey

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I have the messerschmitt 109 book by Alfred Price with the same pic in it but labeled as a 109E-4B over Russia in '42. The Lion of Aspern is the correct emblem used by JG54. Doesnt list pilot info.


Warren

gut

hi Joe, that french site gives no info on that particular aircraft, it mostly gives statistical info on the emil and that's it...
I've also uploaded a slightly larger pic of the same plane...

Gut

gut

a coloured pic of an emil attached to II/ JG54. should help with your paint scheme...........

Gut

SALMONBUG

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about the website

I read french, and I visited it, infos are very vague and they doesn't give any historical details about your color scheme

ProfLooney

Thanks guys was hoping the french site might have said more but at least I have even more info and am getting there.

Gut thanks for the great color pic that helps tons. Do you by change know what the artwork on the cowling is of? If I cannot findmore info on the first plane at least that one is in color and will help more with my docs. so I may have to change from number 5 to number 11.

Joe

SALMONBUG

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I will ask grandpa tonight he fighted in a spit during battle of britain, he will be helpfull to identify the color scheme

gut

sorry but I don't know what the artwork on the cowling is... and enlarging the pic causes to much distortion..

the aircraft from your first post is a E-4B as you can compare by the attached pic.

ProfLooney

Thanks again guys. Salmonburg Gut got me the color photo and with the info I have froim him and from looking I got enough to get my colors down. I have some posts out to some plastic modellers to see if any of them have the book by Robert Peczkowski's "Messerchmitt Bf-109E", in the Mushroom Model Magazine Special series, p-64 and asked if someone could scan me thr article. it is just too cool of a paint scheme to not do.

Thanks Gut that line art helps a lot too I will look the net for this new guy I have a link that might help me figure out the cowl marking http://www.jg54greenhearts.com/markings at least it was up last week these sites bounce up and down and up again so fast
Joe

Oryx

Joe, there is a modeler at the Bf-109 lair that also did this aircraft:

http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/models...mdm/e4_mdm.htm

He also lists it as an E-7. As far as I know, the E-7 was basically an E-4/N (the /N designating the use of a DB601N engine), but with provision for a drop-tank or bomb. The E-4/B on the otherhand is an E-4 (DB601-Aa engine) fitted with a bombrack. I am not sure if there are any external differences between aircraft fitted with the DB601-Aa and the DB601N. It is therefore quite difficult to distinguish between an E-4/B and an E-7 from a picture like that. I know the E-7 could carry a droptank - but I am not sure if the E-4/B was also able to do so instead of the bomb. The one in the picture cannot be an E-4 as it obviously does have a bombrack, but it could very well be an E-4/B. The late spinner suggests an E-7, but it is difficult to say for sure. Looks like some further research will be required...

Oryx

BTW, I have the book - I can scan the side profile for you, but unfortunately I will only be able to do it tomorrow night.

SALMONBUG

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nice you have all your infos, my grandad has some hear troubles and I was ready to have a hard evening trying to explain him what I wanted

ProfLooney

Thanx oryx I appreciate it. this must be my lucky day as I just got pictures in for the spitfire I was looking for too today. I will be organizing and putting my documentation folder on my site under the projects they cover so people can comment and follow along. I kinda look as these 4 planes I will be doing as a group project online. it is an idea I thought about when I started this so that everyone can feel a part of this huge task. My only problem now will be to find a scheme for my FW 190A Hopefully I can find a JG54 FW scheme to match my 109 just like I found a eagle squadron scheme for my spitfire to match my Hurricane scheme hehe I can get 3 other fliers and have a dogfight eagle squadron vs JG54

thanks again
Joe

gut

not sure if your pic from the first post is an E-4/B or E-7/N... you be the judge... see attached.

ProfLooney

Looking at the pic I would have to say the spinner looks a lot like the 7N I will check my reference I dont think there is very much difference between the two at least nothing I cant alter cosmetically.

thanks again
Joe

CLovell

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Joe,

Here's what I could find.... from:
"Planes and Pilots - The Messerschmitt 109" Vol. 1 (ISBN: 2-913903-08-8)

Hope this helps.

Best Regards
Craig Lovell

CLovell

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Joe... picture didn't come through..... let me try again....

CLovell

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One last try... and if this doesn't work..... I'll have to e-mail it direct....

Reagrds
Craig

ProfLooney

thanks craig will hit the library tomorrow and have them order it from interlibrary loan if they dont have it. I have a habit of using the library til I fined out what info is in the book if its worth me gettting for future stuff. also its free so i can get several different sources rather than shelling out a fortune for 5 or 6 books per project hehehe

Joe

Zwilling

Hello,
I read french too, but indeed the French website does not give any info on the particular airplane. I have some Bf 109 books and in a Czech book I found the correct profiles. Unfortunately I cannot read Czech, but my friend can. (no he is not that smart, he lives there... ;-)
I will post the translation when I have it; look at the trailing edges of the wing, for the yellow paint. (not common). It has a nice painting under the cockpit too.

Zwilling

Zwilling

I had to resize it a lot, I will send the original pic too you with better quality. Plane is Bf 109 E-7/B, flown by Lt Heindlem in Yougoslavie. He was Geschwader Adjutant of II./JG 54 in 1941 (Wing Second in command).
I have a lot of detail pictures. If you want to know more, email me.
bye
Zwilling