JohnnyS

That's right!

I need to find more obscure sources.

Ernie P.

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Sorry, but I couldn't resist. You simply asked a question that tied to something I read not so long ago. As soon as I read the question, I thought "Oh yeah; that was the one that could barely climb". And speaking of obscure... Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) Served prior to and during WWII.

(2) Was produced by, and served with, both Allied and Axis forces.

JohnnyS

Dewoitine D.520?

Ernie P.

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No Sir; but this may help. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) Served prior to and during WWII.

(2) Was produced by, and served with, both Allied and Axis forces.

(3) The numbers produced by each combatant were small; well under 100 each.

Ernie P.

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And an early morning clue for this groundbreaking aircraft. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) Served prior to and during WWII.

(2) Was produced by, and served with, both Allied and Axis forces.

(3) The numbers produced by each combatant were small; well under 100 each.

(4) It was produced mainly for experimental and special purpose use.

Ernie P.

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And an evening clue to help you discover this groundbreaking aircraft. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) Served prior to and during WWII.

(2) Was produced by, and served with, both Allied and Axis forces.

(3) The numbers produced by each combatant were small; well under 100 each.

(4) It was produced mainly for experimental and special purpose use.

(5) At least one was equipped with floats.

Ernie P.

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And a late night clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) Served prior to and during WWII.

(2) Was produced by, and served with, both Allied and Axis forces.

(3) The numbers produced by each combatant were small; well under 100 each.

(4) It was produced mainly for experimental and special purpose use.

(5) At least one was equipped with floats.

(6) It pointed the way to the future, with it’s novel method of control.

Ernie P.

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And yet another. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) Served prior to and during WWII.

(2) Was produced by, and served with, both Allied and Axis forces.

(3) The numbers produced by each combatant were small; well under 100 each.

(4) It was produced mainly for experimental and special purpose use.

(5) At least one was equipped with floats.

(6) It pointed the way to the future, with it’s novel method of control.

(7) They were in use as late as 1960.

MajorTomski

How about the Cierva C.19 autogyro?

Ernie P.

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Not quite, MajorTomski; but close enough. I was actually talking about the C.30; but you have the general family narrowed down. The C.30 was the production model developed from the C.19. The amazing safety record of autogyros is something that deserves attention along the way. You are up, Sir. Take it away! Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) Served prior to and during WWII.

(2) Was produced by, and served with, both Allied and Axis forces.

(3) The numbers produced by each combatant were small; well under 100 each.

(4) It was produced mainly for experimental and special purpose use.

(5) At least one was equipped with floats.

(6) It pointed the way to the future, with it’s novel method of control.

(7) They were in use as late as 1960.

(8) Civilian aircraft were seized and pressed into service by the military.

(9) Utilized by Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, the Soviet Union, Spain, England, and Yugoslavia.

(10) Produced by England, France and Germany.

(11) Its use of direct control was considered a major advance.



Answer: The Cierva C.30

The Cierva C.30 was an autogiro designed by Juan de la Cierva and built under licence from the Cierva Autogiro Company by A V Roe & Co Ltd (Avro), Lioré-et-Olivier and Focke-Wulf.

Avro
Avro obtained the licence in 1934 and subsequently built 78 examples, under their model designation, fitted with an Armstrong Siddeley Genet Major IA (known in the RAF as the Civet 1) 7-cylinder radial engine producing 140 hp (100 kW). The first production C.30A was delivered in July 1934.

Lioré-et-Olivier
Twenty-five aircraft were built in France by Lioré-et-Olivier as the LeO C.301 with a 175 hp (130 kW) Salmson 9NE 9-cylinder radial engine.

Focke-Wulf
Forty aircraft were built in Germany by Focke-Wulf as the C 30 Heuschrecke (Grasshopper) with a 140 hp (105 kW) Siemens Sh 14A 7-cylinder radial engine.

Before the experimental Cierva C.19 Mk V, autogiros had been controlled in the same way as fixed-wing aircraft, that is by deflecting the air flowing over moving surfaces such as ailerons, elevators and rudder. At the very low speeds encountered in autogiro flight, particularly during landing, these controls became ineffective. The experimental machine showed that the way forward was to have a tilting rotor hub and a control rod coming down from the hub to the pilot's cockpit with which he could change the rotor plane. This was known as "direct control" and was fitted to the C.30. The production variant, called C.30A in England, was preceded by several development machines.
The first production design in the series was the C.30, a radial-engined autogiro with a three-blade, 37 ft (11.3 m) rotor mounted on an aft-leaning tripod, the control column extending into the rear of the two cockpits. The engine was the five-cylinder, 105 hp (78 kW) Armstrong Siddeley Genet Major I used in the C.19 series. The fabric-covered fuselage carried an unbraced tailplane, without elevators but with turned-up tips. The port side plane had an inverted aerofoil section to offset the roll-axis torque produced in forward flight by the advancing port side blades. As with most autogiros, a high vertical tail was precluded by the sagging resting rotor, so the dorsal fin was long and low, extending well aft of the tailplane like a fixed rudder and augmented by a ventral fin. The wide-track undercarriage had a pair of single, wire-braced legs and a small tail wheel was fitted. This model flew in April 1933. It was followed by four improved machines designated C.30P (P here for pre-production) which differed in having a four-legged pyramidal rotor mounting and a reinforced undercarriage with three struts per side. The rotor could be folded rearwards for transport. The C.30P used the more powerful (140 hp, 104 kW) seven-cylinder Armstrong Siddeley Genet Major IA radial engine.


Avro 671 (Cierva C.30A) taxying for take-off at Rearsby Aerodrome in June 1951
The production model, called the C.30A by Avro, was built under licence in Britain, France and Germany and was similar to the C.30P. The main alteration was a further increase in undercarriage track with revised strutting, the uppermost leg having a pronounced knee with wire bracing. There was additional bracing to the tailplane and both it and the fin carried small movable trimming surfaces. Each licensee used nationally built engines and used slightly different names. In all, 143 production C.30s were built, making it by far the most numerous pre-war autogiro.
Between 1933 and 1936, de la Cierva used one C.30A (G-ACWF) to perfect his last contribution to autogyro development before his death in a DC-2 (fixed wing) crash in late 1936. To enable the aircraft to take off without forward ground travel, he produced the "Autodynamic" rotor head, which allowed the rotor to be spun up by the engine in the usual way but to higher than take-off r.p.m at zero rotor incidence and then to reach operational positive pitch suddenly enough to jump some 20 ft (6 m) upwards.
At least one of the RAF C.30As was in January 1935 on floats as a Sea Rota.

This is a list of helicopters used in World War II which includes helicopters, autogyros, and vertical take off and landing aircraft (VTOL).
Germany
Some types in use of Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine
• Focke-Wulf Fw C.30A (La Cierva C.30A) (General Purpose autogyro)
• Focke-Wulf Fw 186 (Liaison autogyro)
• Focke-Wulf Autogyro-Helicopter (Experimental prototype)
• Focke-Wulf Fw 61 (Experimental helicopter)
• Focke Achgelis Fa 330 "Bachstelze" (Autogyro-Glider/Observation vehicle)

MajorTomski

Ok Please name for me a warbird which:

1. Flew during and after WW-II
2. After the war it was "the" way to fly from/to Europe
3. There were impressed versions and purpose built military versions.

uncljoe

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Lockheed "super connie" US Navy W V-2 , USAF C 121
Semper Fi
Joe

MajorTomski

Way to go Joe! I thought I could get to at least 5 statements befor someone got it

Ok Puzzle us for the weekend

Tom

a65l

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Funny, I was thinking that might be it...

uncljoe

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Guys ,Right now I cannot think of a question , If you have one ,go ahead and post it.

Semper Fi

Ernie P.

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Seeing no other offering... Thanks; Ernie P.


This was one of the strangest aircraft built during WWII.

What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) The idea behing the design was born in the mid thirties, but the technology of the day simply wouldn’t support the idea.

perttime

Horten Ho 229?

N1EDM

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Even stranger than the Horton, how about a Lippisch P13a, though I don't believe that it ever flew. The fuel was coal dust, from what little I've read...

Bob

a65l

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I think it's the Vought XF5U

Ernie P.

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No correct answers thus far, but your answers could provide the basis' for some great future questions. And your thinking is definitely in the right direction. Thanks; Ernie P.


This was one of the strangest aircraft built during WWII

What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) The idea behing the design was born in the mid thirties, but the technology of the day simply wouldn’t support the idea.

(2) When the idea was resurrected early in WWII, technology now allowed the idea to be pursued.

JohnnyS

Silbervogel?

Ernie P.

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No correct answers thus far, but some great tries. I apologize for being slow with the clues, but it isn't always easy to log on to TCU these days. Thanks; Ernie P.


This was one of the strangest aircraft built during WWII

What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) The idea behing the design was born in the mid thirties, but the technology of the day simply wouldn’t support the idea.

(2) When the idea was resurrected early in WWII, technology now allowed the idea to be pursued.

(3) Although the aircraft were deployed, and used successfully in combat with a high rate of success, it was eventually decided conventional aircraft could do the job adequately; and the program was cancelled late in WWII.

Ernie P.

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Remember, guys; this bird saw action. Thanks; Ernie P.


This was one of the strangest aircraft built during WWII

What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) The idea behing the design was born in the mid thirties, but the technology of the day simply wouldn’t support the idea.

(2) When the idea was resurrected early in WWII, technology now allowed the idea to be pursued.

(3) Although the aircraft were deployed, and used successfully in combat with a high rate of success, it was eventually decided conventional aircraft could do the job adequately; and the program was cancelled late in WWII.

(4) The airframe was built by a bicycle manufacturer.

Ernie P.

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Last for the night. Thanks; Ernie P.


This was one of the strangest aircraft built during WWII

What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) The idea behing the design was born in the mid thirties, but the technology of the day simply wouldn’t support the idea.

(2) When the idea was resurrected early in WWII, technology now allowed the idea to be pursued.

(3) Although the aircraft were deployed, and used successfully in combat with a high rate of success, it was eventually decided conventional aircraft could do the job adequately; and the program was cancelled late in WWII.

(4) The airframe was built by a bicycle manufacturer.

(5) It was a twin engined aircraft.

Ernie P.

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And the first clue of the day. Thaks; Ernie P.


This was one of the strangest aircraft built during WWII

What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) The idea behing the design was born in the mid thirties, but the technology of the day simply wouldn’t support the idea.

(2) When the idea was resurrected early in WWII, technology now allowed the idea to be pursued.

(3) Although the aircraft were deployed, and used successfully in combat with a high rate of success, it was eventually decided conventional aircraft could do the job adequately; and the program was cancelled late in WWII.

(4) The airframe was built by a bicycle manufacturer.

(5) It was a twin engined aircraft.

(6) It used a steel tubed frame.