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Old 12-07-2019, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Top_Gunn View Post
It is indeed the XB-19, later labeled the XB-19A when the radial engines were replaced. Until the B-36 came along it was the largest airplane ever made in the US. The Wikipedia entry is somewhat sparse, so here's a link to an excellent piece with some good photographs and links to further sources. This source says the XB-19A was in fact used as a transport; the Wikipedia piece gives the impression that using it as a transport may not have actually occurred.

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/am...oug-1632864365
Al; that was a great subject aircraft. I don't think my next question can match your's, but here goes. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?



1. Sometimes very promising aircraft are stillborn.


2. For reasons that puzzle us in hindsight.


3. And this is one such aircraft.


4. It first flew in the “inter war” period.
Old 12-08-2019, 03:04 AM
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A couple of clues today, to help jump start your search. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?


1. Sometimes very promising aircraft are stillborn.


2. For reasons that puzzle us in hindsight.


3. And this is one such aircraft.


4. It first flew in the “inter war” period.


5. It was, in my opinion, a beautiful airplane; one which is reminiscent of the later P-51.


6. It was intended to replace a biplane fighter.
Old 12-08-2019, 05:27 AM
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#5. Could open a can of worms, given the Brits were capable of building some really stunning looking airplanes then turn around in the same breath and make some truly ugly airplanes, Blackburn and Boulton-Paul had the ugly suitcased!
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Old 12-08-2019, 08:10 AM
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as per: https://www.airspacemag.com/flight-t...ug-ugly-25834/

National Air and Space Museum archivist Brian Nicklas has formulated Nicklas’ Law of Aircraft Identification, whereby: “If it’s ugly, it’s British; if it’s weird, it’s French; and if it’s ugly and weird, it’s Russian.”
Old 12-08-2019, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyS View Post
as per: https://www.airspacemag.com/flight-t...ug-ugly-25834/

National Air and Space Museum archivist Brian Nicklas has formulated Nicklas’ Law of Aircraft Identification, whereby: “If it’s ugly, it’s British; if it’s weird, it’s French; and if it’s ugly and weird, it’s Russian.”
And if it looks like it was designed by a drunk or someone drugged its Italian!
Old 12-08-2019, 03:10 PM
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You all make good points, but we're only looking for one aircraft, and I think it's a pretty one. That having been said, and barring any dispute later, here's an evening clue to narrow your search. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?



1. Sometimes very promising aircraft are stillborn.



2. For reasons that puzzle us in hindsight.



3. And this is one such aircraft.



4. It first flew in the “inter war” period.



5. It was, in my opinion, a beautiful airplane; one which is reminiscent of the later P-51.



6. It was intended to replace a biplane fighter.



7. Which was, at the time, the main fighter aircraft of the nation which produced our subject aircraft.
Old 12-08-2019, 03:28 PM
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Renard R.36?
Old 12-08-2019, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BankYank View Post
Renard R.36?

And BANG! Just like that, the new guy blows it out of the water. The Renard R.36 it is, Sir. At this stage of development, the Renard was, in my opinion, a bit sportier than the Hurricane that was license produced to take its intended place in the Belgian air force. And, it was, again in my opinion, a much better looking plane. What gave it away, Sir? You are now up and we're all looking forward to seeing your question. Well done, Sir! Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?



1. Sometimes very promising aircraft are stillborn.



2. For reasons that puzzle us in hindsight.



3. And this is one such aircraft.



4. It first flew in the “inter war” period.



5. It was, in my opinion, a beautiful airplane; one which is reminiscent of the later P-51.



6. It was intended to replace a biplane fighter.



7. Which was, at the time, the main fighter aircraft of the nation which produced our subject aircraft.



8. Our subject aircraft easily surpassed the existing fighter’s performance.



9. After nearly a year of testing, involving around 75 hours in the air, it was approved and ordered into production.



10. But shortly thereafter, the prototype crashed, killing the pilot.



11. An official investigation failed to uncover a conclusive cause for the accident.



12. There was no evidence of structural failure while in flight.



13. The most likely cause was that recently installed equipment had broken loose during stressful maneuvers; either injuring the pilot or damaging the controls.



14. The production order was then cancelled and the decision made to go with another fighter.



15. A fighter that was to become an icon.



16. Although it was itself overshadowed by another, even more iconic aircraft.









Answer: The Belgian Renard R.36



The Renard R.36 was a Belgian all-metal fighter aircraft designed to replace the Fairey Firefly II within the Belgian Air Force. Designed to improve on the Renard Epervier, which was never adopted by the Belgian government, the prototype R.36 first flew on 5 November 1937. Following testing the R.36 was approved by the Belgian Air Force in late 1938, with 40 aircraft provisionally ordered, to be delivered in two years. However, on 17 January 1939 the prototype, OO-ARW, crashed near Nivelles, killing pilot Lt. Viscount Eric de Spoelberch. The official investigation was inconclusive, no evidence of material failure being discovered, with the most probable causes being radio equipment coming loose during a high-G manoeuvre, jamming the controls, or the pilot becoming incapacitated. The airframe had accumulated 75:30 hours' flight time. The order was then dropped in favour of licence production of the Hawker Hurricane by SABCA.




Variants



R.36

Single-seat fighter powered by a 910hp (679kW) Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs engine, one built.



R.37

Former unfinished R.36 evaluation aircraft completed with a 1100hp (823kW) Gnome-Rhône 14N-21 radial engine, one aircraft captured by German forces in May 1940.



R.38

Another former unfinished R.36 aircraft completed with a 1030hp (771kW) Rolls-Royce Merlin II, first flown on 4 August 1939 and had a top speed of 326 miles per hour (525 km/h)), one built evacuated to France but captured by German forces. Planned armament was four 7.7 mm FN Browning and two 13.2 mm FN Browning machine guns.[4]



R.40

Former unfinished R.36 aircraft completed with a Merlin engine following French interest, not finished and components captured by German forces.



R.42

Twin fuselage variant of the R.36 similar to the F-82 Twin Mustang. Armament would have been doubled that of the R-36.





Specifications



General characteristics

· Crew: One

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· Length: 8.80m (28 ft 10½ in)

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· Wingspan: 11.64 m (38 ft 2¼ in)

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· Height: 2.90m (9 ft 6⅛ in)

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· Wing area: 20.00m2 (215.28 ft2)

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· Empty weight: 1,770 kg (3,902 lb)

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· Loaded weight: 2,470 kg (5,445 lb)

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· Powerplant: 1 × 910hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs 12-cylinder Vee-type liquid cooled, 678 kW (910 hp)

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Performance

· Maximum speed: 515 km/h (320 mph)

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· Range: 1000 km (620 miles)

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· Time to 4,000m: 4.93 minutes

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Armament

· Guns: 1 × engine mounted 20-mm cannon, 4 × wing-mounted 7.7m machine guns



Hurricane



General characteristics

· Crew: 1

· Length: 32 ft 3 in (9.83 m)

· Wingspan: 40 ft 0 in (12.19 m)

· Height: 13 ft 1.5 in (4.001 m)

· Wing area: 257.5 sq ft (23.92 m2)

· Airfoil: root: Clark YH (19%); tip: Clark YH (12.2%)[164]

· Empty weight: 5,745 lb (2,606 kg)

· Gross weight: 7,670 lb (3,479 kg)

· Max takeoff weight: 8,710 lb (3,951 kg)

· Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Merlin XX V-12 liquid-cooled piston engine, 1,185 hp (884 kW) at 21,000 ft (6,400 m)

Performance

· Maximum speed: 340 mph (550 km/h, 300 kn) at 21,000 ft (6,400 m) [N 12]

· Range: 600 mi (970 km, 520 nmi)

· Service ceiling: 36,000 ft (11,000 m)

· Rate of climb: 2,780 ft/min (14.1 m/s)

· Wing loading: 29.8 lb/sq ft (145 kg/m2)

· Power/mass: 0.15 hp/lb (0.25 kW/kg)

Armament

· Guns: 4 × 20 mm (.79 in) Hispano Mk II cannon

· Bombs: 2 × 250 or 500 lb (110 or 230 kg) bombs

Old 12-08-2019, 08:22 PM
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Researching/Reading and Clue #5
I will not be able to get one up till tomorrow after work. Sorry for the delay.
Old 12-08-2019, 08:31 PM
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Man, that airplane had one big spinner!
Old 12-09-2019, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC View Post
Man, that airplane had one big spinner!
Not so big, IMNSHO. Look at the Bf-109; P-51, P-40, Albatros D-3, etc.,. In fact, look at almost any non-radial engined plane. Most of them had pretty large spinners. Thanks; Ernie P.
Old 12-09-2019, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Ernie P. View Post
Not so big, IMNSHO. Look at the Bf-109; P-51, P-40, Albatros D-3, etc.,. In fact, look at almost any non-radial engined plane. Most of them had pretty large spinners. Thanks; Ernie P.
The first three all had spinners that either allowed the front of the fuse to be more streamlined or were the width of the fuse. You could add the P-38 and P-39 to that list very easily as well. As for radial planes, the A6M, FW-190 and Brewster Buffalo all had large spinners. One that not many think about but had a large spinner on it initially was the XF4F-3

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Old 12-09-2019, 03:48 PM
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OK Here we go.
Fighter Need a name.
1:started as an advanced monoplane (for the era)
2: two backup biplanes ordered to be safe if this one failed.
Old 12-09-2019, 06:40 PM
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OK Here we go.
Fighter Need a name.
1:started as an advanced monoplane (for the era)

2: two backup biplanes ordered to be safe if this one failed.

3: It used a Bristol Jupiter engine. License built under a different name.
Old 12-09-2019, 08:28 PM
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I can already see this is going to be another good riddle!
Old 12-09-2019, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie View Post
The first three all had spinners that either allowed the front of the fuse to be more streamlined or were the width of the fuse. You could add the P-38 and P-39 to that list very easily as well. As for radial planes, the A6M, FW-190 and Brewster Buffalo all had large spinners. One that not many think about but had a large spinner on it initially was the XF4F-3
No argument on anything you said. Thanks; Ernie P.
Old 12-09-2019, 11:58 PM
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Finally, I found a picture of F4F-3 Wildcat Bu No 1845, with the large spinner:
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Old 12-10-2019, 05:05 PM
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Ok you slackers here is another clue!

Fighter Need a name.

1:started as an advanced monoplane (for the era)

2: two backup biplanes ordered to be safe if this one failed.

3: It used a Bristol Jupiter engine. License built under a different name.

4: It saw extensive combat experience between the two big wars.

Old 12-10-2019, 05:19 PM
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How about the I-16
Old 12-10-2019, 05:31 PM
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Ding we have a winner!. Guess you were not slacking to much.
Take it away Hydro Junkie
Old 12-10-2019, 06:24 PM
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The I-16 was the only radial engine plane that I know of that flew in combat between the "two big wars". I didn't count the Japanese fighters that flew combat missions in Korea and China prior to the declarations of war that started WWII since their engines were basically knock offs of American designs. In fact, one of their radial engines was an almost direct copy of the engine used in the Curtis P-36, the Wright 1820.
Give me a bit to find something for a quiz.
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie View Post
The I-16 was the only radial engine plane that I know of that flew in combat between the "two big wars". I didn't count the Japanese fighters that flew combat missions in Korea and China prior to the declarations of war that started WWII since their engines were basically knock offs of American designs. In fact, one of their radial engines was an almost direct copy of the engine used in the Curtis P-36, the Wright 1820.
Give me a bit to find something for a quiz.
Maybe one of you guys can help me with something. I'm looking for a photo of an I-16 with the cockpit hood in the closed position. I know many (most?) pilots flew with the hood open, but I've never seen a photo or video of the cockpit hood closed, and I want to see the details of the hood. Drawings, yes; but not a picture. Can anyone point me toward a photo or video which shows the hood in a closed position? Thanks; Ernie P.
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Originally Posted by Ernie P. View Post
Maybe one of you guys can help me with something. I'm looking for a photo of an I-16 with the cockpit hood in the closed position. I know many (most?) pilots flew with the hood open, but I've never seen a photo or video of the cockpit hood closed, and I want to see the details of the hood. Drawings, yes; but not a picture. Can anyone point me toward a photo or video which shows the hood in a closed position? Thanks; Ernie P.
I can see why Due to the poor quality of the canopy glazing, the I-16 Type 5 pilots typically left the canopy open or removed the rear portion completely. Those guy threw them away!

This is the only one I could find.
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC View Post
I can see why Due to the poor quality of the canopy glazing, the I-16 Type 5 pilots typically left the canopy open or removed the rear portion completely. Those guy threw them away!

This is the only one I could find.
Well, that's better than anything I've seen so far. Thanks; Ernie P.
Old 12-12-2019, 03:51 PM
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Okay guys, I think I found a decent but easy quiz for you all.
Looking for an aircraft:
1) This plane was designed and built for an apparent need that was perceived during a previous war
2) Only two of this design were constructed, both of which still exist
3) One of the design features was similar to an adversary's aircraft design feature in the previous war
Good Luck

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