P-40 Brotherhood (All P-40's Welcome)
 

Many may know about the Spitfire Brotherhood thread here on RCU. I started that thread to allow those who wanted to share build tips, information, and photos of their Spitfire aircraft.

Because of the great response that thread has received and continues to receive I wanted to do the same for another seldom seen RC aircraft as compared to others.

I have always admired the P-40 since it was in fact the first WWII fighter aircraft to encounter our then enemy in the Pacific West, and also to have reaped havoc against the Luftwaffe along side in some cases the Spitfire.

A lot of air battles we fought and won by these two aircraft before the more popular and out performing fighters joined the fight.

With this in mind, Welcome to the P-40 Brotherhood

Steve Keesey
P-40 Brotherhood #1

Talimena Kidd
P-40 Brotherhood #1.5

Chad Veich
P-40 Brotherhood #2

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In 2011, a modeling friend built a1/7 scale TF P-40 kit. A short time after completion, and before any flight time was put on the aircraft he handed the airplane to me and my little helper, the Talimena Kidd as a gift.

A few days ago a friend and I were talking about a framed up 1/7 scale TF P-40 he was having built for his young son who likes warbirds and showed an interest in conducting an electric powered conversion on it.

Now before you jump out of your flight suit hear me out.

I to have some smaller electric warbirds, and my little helper and I have quite a lot of fun with them. The overall convenience is great, and this was an opportunity for he and I to increase our knowledge of larger electric aircraft along with my modeling friend.

Luckily I have a local hobby shop where the owner is very well versed in the large aircraft electric technologies. His experience has involved him with powering 50cc IMAC aircraft with electric power that was very competitive in competition, and he is now engaged with electric powered Small Unmanned Systems. How lucky can a person be to have this wealth of knowledge available?

The unpainted P-40 is receiving the electric conversion, while the painted one is currently having a DLE-20 installed. I can say however the Power 60 E flight motor seen on the test stand is turning the Master Airscrew 15x7 3 blade prop at 7000 RPM at 45 amps with 10 amps remaining for 55 amp continuous operation. It is my belief this powerplant can produce equal output as the DLE-20 which turned this prop at 8400 RPM on the test stand. The electric power package consist of the E flight Power 60 motor, an 80 amp speed control, and a 5000 mah 6 cell, 22volt Lipo.

In addition to this, my rough hanging weight comparisons were about equal at an estimated 12 pounds each in their full flight configurations.

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Hi I'm Dasintex, Spitfire Brotherhood #29;

Close to Maiden Flight of my Top Flite GS P-40, just need to balance and she is ready; done in RAF Inginia, DLE55 with a Zoar 22X10 Warbird Prop, Blu Box RAF North Africa Pilot, Futaba 2.4; Robarts Gear; Pictures to be posted soon.

Dasintex.

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We have four Skyshark ARF P40's here in Space City RC Club, Katy, Texas. Great flying planes! Green one has BME 50, British version has DA 60, Flying Tiger #64 has a G62. Flying Tiger#47 has Precision Eagle 4.2. All have Sierra retracts. Paul Curry

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My Dad always Loved the P-40 and when a friend was selling a nib kyosho 55 P-40.. we got it. it's 56" ws has a 55 rimfire, gp 60 esc..14 X 10 prop. retracts,flapsrud,elev two servos on ailerons..My Dad keeps it so when he wants to fly the batteries get charged..at 7 1/2 lbs it flys scale like..we want a bigger one so pretty soon...

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I have something of a "love-hate" relationship with the P-40. I love it and it hates me! I've had three r/c models of the P-40 thus far, only one of which made it past the first flight! And the one that did get past the first flight, seen in the pics below, suffered something of an unusual demise after only about a dozen flights or so. While I have owned, flown, and crashed three P-40's to date I still have actually yet to build one for myself. (I did build a Bates E model for a customer once.) That will hopefully change in the not too distant future as I intend to build a 1/5 scale P-40 of some sort from my own plans. I'm leaning towards a P-40B/C model but I really like the long tailed F/M/N versions as well.

My second TF Gold Edition P-40 is shown below (builder unknown), pics by my good friend Joe Balabon. The TF kit was a good flyer but suffered from a couple of unusual characteristics and was something of a hand full on the ground. Looked great on a low flyby though! Unfortunately I don't have pics of the first TF bird I owned which was a Scale Masters veteran built by Bob Frey. My very first P-40 was a Byron kit and I don't have pics of that one either. The Byron bird had some very nasty habits and most of the ones I'm aware of ended there lives in a snap-spin situation on either take off or landing.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3..._9406_REDO.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3..._9470_REDO.jpg

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I've been fortunate to see at least a dozen different restored P-40's fly, a few of which are seen below. I really wish now that I had been much more diligent about taking pictures during my younger days.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...N2720_REDO.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...N2725_REDO.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...2012/P-40N.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...2012/P-40B.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...RHAWKFLYBY.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...0FORMATION.jpg

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Here is mine. Yellow Aircraft with ZDZ 60. I bought it from a guy on RCU RTF. It's my first warbird. I placed a JR gyro on the rudder and tailwheel steering to help with turn coordination and takeoffs. Still trying to get it proped to my liking. Fist prop was a Beila 20x10 (in pic). Flew ok. The latest one is a Beila 20x10 scale. Looks better but doesnt quite have the performance of the other. I just got a new TBM adjustable and plan on fitting it today. Its a nice looking prop but the pitch guides are not accurate. Each blade has different pitch. There is thread that tells how to make a pitch guage and that is my job for today. Get the prop drilled and pitch set (20x12) and give it a try this weekend.

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A fishing friend of mine used to fly the one below. It's located at the Virginia Military Aviation Museum in VABeach. I was in the back seat of an Avenger taking the photo. My Giant Scale Models version of that plane is also shown.

Dash

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Well id like to join this brotherhood to. Every one knows the yellow P-40 i have in the works

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Here's another Skyshark P-40 that was bashed. Replaced the wingtips with scale tips, fiberglassed the wings, replaced gear pods with Top Flite P-40 pods, dressed it up with panel lines, painted with latex paint, and improved exhaust stacks. Powered by a Zenoah G62 and Sierra retracts. Very fast with the G62.

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I guess i have to include my TF P-40.

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I'll join in. I aquired a Top Flite kit built P-40. It had fixed gear and a Enya 90 four stroke. Weight about 10.5 lbs. Flew it twice that way. Had enough power to fly but that was all. I added Century Jet retracks and an OS 120 FS. It had more power but gained weight. Now around 12 lbs. Later converted to gas with a DLE 20 and to a "C" model with different cowl. This increased the power. Still the plane was a hand full to fly. Had to be on your toes for take off. If you pulled a loop or turn too tight it would try to snap. Landed fast because of the weight. Added a stall strip to the right wing to try to tame the stall. It helped. Still the plane was overall soon much of a hand full to fly, it just wasn't fun. I decommissioned the beast and put most of its hard ware in another plane.

I also have a VQ P-40. 63" wing span with Lado electric retracts and a DLE 20. Moved the gear inboard to more scale position. It is a little heavy at 10.5 lbs but flys much better than the Top Flite.

Had 120 flights on the TF before it was retired. About 150 flights on the VQ.

I had a BH "C" model P-40 I converted to a P-36. It had too much positive incident in the wing and flew in a strange nose down attitude. I crashed it, totally pilot error. Had not flow it a while. Was landing, a few feet off the ground but it was slowing down not settling in (wing incident). I let it get too slow the decided I had better go around, hit the throttle, it started torque rolling to left. Hit right rudder to correct, it snapped right and cart wheeled down runway. Plane is totaled or at least not worht fixing. However the "rare" P-36 cowl survived with no damage. I'm thinking of getting the Top Flight ARF P-40 and converting it to a P-36. By all reports the ARF flies good.

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I'm in, 5 Topflite Gold P-40's, 2 Topflite Red Box P-40's, and 1 VQ P-40 have passed through my life in various incarnations over the years. There will be more.

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Hello Everyone,

Can I join this brotherhood, too? I have a Yellow P-40 in the work that most of you guys here already know. Work on the P-40 is slow due to extensive travelling for my job. But I haven't quit working on it. Still working on the aesthetic details every weekend.

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I'm in! I also have the TF arf and I dress it up a little nothing crazy. Put a DLE20 in her and as one of the guys at field says it runs like a raped ape! I am using the sucky Robart 615's and they just keep twisting collasping,etc. Idon't understand why they don't improve these things. I have a set of the new wingspan retracts coming soon so I hope to get back in the air forsome cool fall flying.

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Never been in a brotherhood before, I'll through a pic of mine in.

Dustin

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Got the love the P-40!

I took this picture of a fullscale at the Monroe NC Airshow.

The other is a rare color photo of P-40's under construction in 1938.

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Still one of the best models of the P-40 I've ever seen. Did you ever get it test flown Dustin?

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<span style="font-size: larger">Well I just can't resist this brotherhood as just like Chad I've had a love/hate relationship with the P40. My first one, a TF red box kit with fixed gear loved me. My second one, a Brian Taylor P40 modified to a "B" model did everything it could to make me look bad. Somehow I managed not to kill it. So in my lengthy build queue is a JB P40C with a terrific Vic fiberglass fuse and Sierra retracts as well as another Brian Taylor P40 an "E" this time.</span>

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I'm in.

I hesitate to post, not being on nearly the same level as the rest of you guys, but the title did say ALL P-40's are welcome!

The P-40 has always been one of my favorites and I have three at the moment. I have a Red Box kit that was about 75% done when I shelved it a few years ago. I had been out of the hobby for a few years mostly due to lack of time but have gotten back to it this year, mostly because of the ease of electrics. I just got this Airfield 1400mm P-40 on Wednesday and can't wait to finish it up and fly it.

http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/y...erGreg/016.jpg

I also picked up this box of lumber and plans that they tell me can be turned into a Ziroli P-40, but that's a more long term project.

http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/y...erGreg/003.jpg

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Hi Chad,

Thanks, no I never did. Last year I felt that I needed to to legitimize the model and fly her so I bought a TF Mustang to hone my skills. Well I couldn't leave well enough alone and am in the process of making a more scale cowl, scoop etc. which is taking forever so it got pushed back again. I must say all the comments so far on this thread are instilling me with allot of confidence.;)

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Well would love to join , my history on the P40 is started as a kid with a Cox 049 powered plastic model .
Then Gulliows , Top Flight Red Box , Pica 1/6 scale P40 , Balsa Products P40, 2 VQ P40ties , CMP 73" P40 , FMS EPO P40 , LX 79" EPO P40 I know i missed a few lol .
I just love the plane and its history !!

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http://youtu.be/IuKGNsxtSr8
http://youtu.be/NeRsuzJ12f8
http://youtu.be/zQjJ6Ai_CaU
My interior is 100% scratch built, made the rails as well , all in fun

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Very Nice Work LDM!

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Beautiful mod of the Taylor plan Duplicator41. Best of luck with your other Warhawks as well. The Bates B/C has a bit of a reputation as a hand full as well. Build light and build straight would be my advice on that one! Strange too as one of the best flying P-40 models I've ever seen was a Bates P-40N which shares the same wing and tail surfaces. That slightly longer fuselage must make all the difference in the world.

I know all about not being ablle to leave well enough alone SVX! That's half the fun and whether your P-40 flies this year or next or never doesn't really matter as long as you're enjoying the ride.

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P-40 Brotherhood
Master Roster
Started 8-30-2012

Brotherhood Update, we now have 20 in our squadron as of 9-1-2012

Welcome to the P-40 Brotherhood

If you would like to join the P-40 Brotherhood please make your request on this thread and I will assign you a number.

Never can tell when you may run into another P-40 Brother somewhere, so join now.

1. Warbirdrcer OK, USA
1.5. Talimena Kidd OK, USA
2. Chad Veich AZ, USA
3. dasintex TX, USA
4. Meschmidt TX, USA
5. gaumflyer Gaum, USA
6. gaumflyer’s Dad Gaum, USA
7. tp777fo SC, USA
8. Dash7ATP VA, USA
9. 77chickenhawk CA, USA
10. ccostant MA, USA
11. Capt G NV, USA
12. RBean PA, USA
13. P-40 Driver TX, USA
14. LQUAN CA, USA
15. raptureboy PA, USA
16. SVX UT, USA
17. AmishWarlord NC, USA
18. Duplicator41 ID, USA
19. gregandhollie IN, USA
20. LDM PA, USA

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Thank you sir !

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I'll get working on a new decal as soon as the Spitfire Brotherhood decals are done and shipped Steve!

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Recently a friend and I worked out a deal and I traded my Byron P-40 that was powered by a DA-50 for a Ziroli P-40 powered by a 3W-85 Competition Series engine. I flew the Byron P-40 for the last couple of years and enjoyed its performance. I will warn you not to let one rotate to soon, or attempt a slow approach. Once ready to fly she was fun, once ready to land she made you work.

Enjoy the video:

http://rcuvideos.com/video/P-40-Kittyhawk-Flight

I have 3 flights on my Ziroli now, but had to pull the main gear for an overhaul.

The attached photos are of my former Byron P-40.

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I was just thinking of those, and the pdf for the shirts[8D]

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Chad,

Can you give me some first flight tips on the TF 1/7 scale P-40?

I have been told if I apply the same methods to the TF as I did the Byron I should be okay. It would have been nice if TF would have incorporated the Celik airfoil design into this wing as they did so many of their other models.

I understand their 1/7 P-51 also lacks the Celik design.

I friend and I were out this past week putting some first runs on his 1/7 TF P-51 and during a high altitude approach to landing test, the plane without any warning dropped the right wing and entered a tightly wound up spin. I have seen aerobatic planes need forcing into the spin this bird went into, so caution is needed when operating this plane, and apparently the P-40 too.

This P-51 is powered by a DLE-20 and weights in at 11 pounds.

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Anybody here have a recommendation for CG and control throws on the Airfield/FMS 1400mm or similar P-40? The instructions don't give any throw recommendations and the ailerons don't seem to have much throw out of the box. My CG is roughly 1/4-3/8" forward of the recommended 85mm. I'm adding flap servos and linkage so I haven't taken any precise measurements of it yet or attempted to adjust it.

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TF P-51 flys better then The P-40. The P-40's CG needs to be kept well forward ( balence gear up), keep your speed up, don't do anything stupid, and wheel landings are required. Fast and smooth, no bank and yank.

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Greg go to rc groups then eletric warbirds then the FMS/Airfield P40 thread , tons of info on the plane , I have two of them .
They dont fly anything like a warbird , more like a sport plane totally easy and enjoyable to fly .

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Thanks P-40 Driver, this sounds a lot like my former Byron, just smaller. I told a friend that has it now sort of the same. Also advised him if the plane is over shooting the runway on the base to final turn do not pull the elevator in to line her up, just let her over shoot and go around.

Again thanks

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I'm glad I found this thread! I've been wanting a large P-40 ARF but didn't want to pay the price for the TF GS P-40. I saw the pictures of the Skyshark ARFs and went to the Skyshark web site and found that the plane was on closeout sale. It should be here in a week or so.

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P-40 Driver summed it up nicely, keep up the speed and don't do nuthin' dumb! If you've managed to get a Byron P-40 up and down in one piece then the TF shouldn't have any surprises for you. (Other than you might be surprised at how much better it flies than the Byron!) The following advice is probably nothing you have not heard before but here is my approach to test flying. I think this is good advice for most any airplane but particularly so a heavily loaded warbird.

1. Be absolutely certain that your engine is running reliably. Don't even think about flying with a balky engine.

2. Have a plan for the test flight and stick to it. Plan ahead for any contingencies. For example, know ahead of time what you're going to do in the event of an engine out on take off. Make a conscious decision to let the airplane build up plenty of speed on take off and then do whatever is necessary to make that happen. In other words don't let it make a hard left turn when the tail comes up and then get nervous and yank it off the ground as I've seen happen so many times. If things start to get out of hand make the decision ahead of time that you are going to chop the throttle and start over. I normally set a bit of down elevator on my warbirds for the test flight just to be absolutely certain they don't get airborne prematurely.

3. Assuming everything is functioning normally during the test flight make it a point to do some slow flight testing at altitude, flaps up and down, to get a feel for the airplane around the stall. This will also let you know how your engine is going to react to extended periods at low throttle. If it's going to load up and quit better to find that out while two mistakes high rather than on landing when you decide you need to go around!

4. Don't let the airplane psyche you out. While it is a bit more demanding than some it is just an airplane and flies quite well. Just be conscious to test the airplane in order to determine its flight envelope and then stay within that envelope.

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I am modeling mine base on the one in black and white photo.

But no such luck in finding detailed photos for her. Not sure if she even still exist. Therefore, I model her after the one in color, with plenty of detailed photos on the web. But she will carry the number of the one in black and white. Everyone who has a P-40 seems to have shark mouth. I want mine to be a little bit different. Not sure why[&o].

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