Need some assistance (Azimut atlantic challenger w/ jet propulsion)
#1
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Need some assistance (Azimut atlantic challenger w/ jet propulsion)
Hey all,
Sorry that this is kind of a cross post from the nitro forum but its still relevant! I recently purchased a pair of Atlantic challengers off eBay for a decent price. One of them is the graupner electric version which is kitted out. The other is the same boat built from the graupner plans but with a single cast jet drive unit (this seems to be a graupner jet propulsion unit 5). It has come with no other fittings. I was initially looking at a Gas power plant but I've read that this can work with electric power which I am more familiar with. The jet unit recommends a minimum 800W motor. I'm not sure what sort of RPM these jet units require. So my question is can anyone recommend a suitable brushless setup for this boat?
Sorry that this is kind of a cross post from the nitro forum but its still relevant! I recently purchased a pair of Atlantic challengers off eBay for a decent price. One of them is the graupner electric version which is kitted out. The other is the same boat built from the graupner plans but with a single cast jet drive unit (this seems to be a graupner jet propulsion unit 5). It has come with no other fittings. I was initially looking at a Gas power plant but I've read that this can work with electric power which I am more familiar with. The jet unit recommends a minimum 800W motor. I'm not sure what sort of RPM these jet units require. So my question is can anyone recommend a suitable brushless setup for this boat?
#2
What voltage do you intend to run. This will affect the Kv of the motor you need.
Most impellers start to cavitate at around 25- 28 thousand revs. So over revving them just wastes power for no speed gain.
Also, what size IC engine do they recommend.
Most impellers start to cavitate at around 25- 28 thousand revs. So over revving them just wastes power for no speed gain.
Also, what size IC engine do they recommend.
Last edited by 785boats; 12-23-2013 at 10:45 AM.
#3
If it were mine I'd be using something like this on 6s. Just need a water cooled motor mount.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ass_Heli_.html
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s..._Boat_ESC.html
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ass_Heli_.html
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s..._Boat_ESC.html
#4
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I was thinking possibly 4s as I have 2 10mah 2s I could run in parallel. But maybe I could get a third for 6s? Would something like this work? http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html with this:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html
Last edited by tomhugill; 12-23-2013 at 02:37 PM.
#5
Hi Tom. And Merry Christmas.
Unfortunately a 1400kv motor on 4s might be a bit slow. that's about 21000 revs. Maybe 18000 under load.
For 4s, something around the 1800kv range would be better. Perhaps this one.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...er_1760kv.html
But I see you would like to buy from the UK warehouse & it's not available there.
This one is available there. I've used them with great success in monos before, but not on a pump. Pumps take about 20% more power than props for the same speed.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...otor_90mm.html
Of course it doesn't have to be an outrunner. Any inrunner of the 3674 or 40mm size with a kv from 1800 -2000 would do. as long as it can make a power output of 1500W or more on 4s.
The ESC you picked would be fine for any of them
I think there is a typo on the batteries you noted on your previous post. You need more than 10mah.
You will need at least 4s 5000mah 40c packs. Preferably 2 in parallel for any decent run time.
Unfortunately a 1400kv motor on 4s might be a bit slow. that's about 21000 revs. Maybe 18000 under load.
For 4s, something around the 1800kv range would be better. Perhaps this one.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...er_1760kv.html
But I see you would like to buy from the UK warehouse & it's not available there.
This one is available there. I've used them with great success in monos before, but not on a pump. Pumps take about 20% more power than props for the same speed.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...otor_90mm.html
Of course it doesn't have to be an outrunner. Any inrunner of the 3674 or 40mm size with a kv from 1800 -2000 would do. as long as it can make a power output of 1500W or more on 4s.
The ESC you picked would be fine for any of them
I think there is a typo on the batteries you noted on your previous post. You need more than 10mah.
You will need at least 4s 5000mah 40c packs. Preferably 2 in parallel for any decent run time.
#7
I Thought so.
I see the guys over on R/C groups are giving you some good advice. I didn't realise it was the larger impeller size.
I didn't see the 'Unit 5' reference in your first post. Stupid me. So yes a lower KV rasting than I was thinking of woulbe better.
That 1400kv 600 size outrunner you linked in post # 4 would be ideal on 6s in my opinion. And they sound great too.
Cheers.
Paul.
I see the guys over on R/C groups are giving you some good advice. I didn't realise it was the larger impeller size.
I didn't see the 'Unit 5' reference in your first post. Stupid me. So yes a lower KV rasting than I was thinking of woulbe better.
That 1400kv 600 size outrunner you linked in post # 4 would be ideal on 6s in my opinion. And they sound great too.
Cheers.
Paul.