Hi there,

Writing cause my father and i are looking for an RC Speedboat (Electric) but we want it as fast as possible, can any on help us, what it might be we are looking for?..

Hope to hear from ya soon..

Regards
R

Are you wanting to scratch build a boat? If so the fastest boats are riggers. You can get a set of plans from RCStore.com which come with a construction article. As well, do u want to go brushless, or run a brushed motor?How many cells? Any more info would help.

Hi mate,

Thanx for your reply - well im way too newbie to tell you all that info..

I just hoped some one could give me a few examples of some fast RTR speed boats.


Huh ?


Regards
Robert

Hi Robert,

How's your German?

Looking for a RTR in the US could prove to be very costly...

And the fastest electrics are made in Europe!

Take a look at these links:

www.hopf-modelltechnik.de
www.hydromarine.de
www.kehrer-modellbau.de
www.mhz-engines.com

Also look for a club in your neighbourhood and get some advice there.

The "fastest" RTR boats you can get are much slower than the boats from the manufacturers I listed above and are much much more expensive.
All these manufacturers can get you all you need to put a fast boat together and you'll have to be all thumbs to get it wrong.
Mind you they don't provide kits, like robbe and Graupner do, they ship you what you need to assemble/build the boat yourself.

When you read German, ask around on these forums, you can write in English if you like, no problem.

www.rc-raceboats.de/forum
www.hydroworld.de

Mail me if you have more questions.


Regards, Jan.

Hi pompebled,

super, fantastic - great links, thanx a bunch!

All ready "felt i love" with a boat [link=http://www.finedesignrc.com/hullspip.asp]PIP Tritan Mono 32"[/link]
even though its not a RTR.

Do you think id be able to "build" the boat, step by step ? (meybe a stuppid question) But i rather use some time, build up a really fine, fast and not too expensive boat - if possible..

Thanx again for your reply - great forum, even though my german sucks.. LOL hehehe


Best regards
Robert

Hi Robert,

The Triton is manufactured by Toysport in Hungary!
No need to get it from the US... (google for Toysport)

It is a fine hull indeed.

If I'm not mistaken, it comes with the motormount and servo mount installed, so there's little risk of doing something wrong.
Check out www.offshoreelectrics.com for more pics of this boat and how it's delivered.

As it's not a cheap hull, you can start with a low budget 800 motor (Hopf) and 18-20 cells and updat to a brushless monster later.

I must point out that it's not a beginners boat, it's very(!) fast and does not allow for much driver error, meaning you can damage the boat just by handling/driving it wrong, due to the power and speed involved, fortunaltly it comes with a floodchamber, so it's selfrighting.

Keep us posted.

Regards, Jan.

Yup. I agree with you on that Jan. Europe also has a lot of 1:1 scale fast boats (& fast street cars)
I'm using an on-line language translator to understand the posts in "das boot" forums.
Thanks a lot for your help!

Hi Jan,

Thanx again for your reply

Well i relly think thats gonna be the boat "[link=http://www.toys-port.hu/en/mono_triton_edition.htm]Triton EDITION[/link]". even though its very fast, and not the best beginner.. but in pretty sure i get hands on quickly, not that i have tried so many RC boats before.. well yes, one, but not that fast, i really wants to reach about 60-100 Km/h !

Is that even possible with battery ? or would nitro then ?

My main problem is just, im able to split the boats and rebuild it, but to build its fra scratch, im not sure.. have a few RC Buggys (Kyosho Inferno) that by time crashes, and need a fix.

But maybe its not that bad with a boat where the engine IS mounted all ready, then that, its installed the right way..
But if you see the specs on the link above, (toys-port) how can they write 60-100 Km/h ? depends on the engine?
Does that meens i have to choose the engine, or they chose ? well well well, i could keep on asking, ass you see, pretty newbie at RC boats, but VERY interrested - even found a racing club near me, where i plan to visit soon.

Hope to hear from you soon


Best regards
Robert

Hi Robert,

When you look in the speed list of the various forums, you'll see that only a few monohulls reach a 100 Kmh, this needs very favourable conditions (little to no wind, small ripples on the water, no waves) and a well set-up boat to get that fast.

Also a crash at such speeds usually creates havoc in the boat...

The Toysport site mentions a LMT (Lehner) motor, most likely a brushless one, very good and very expensive, as you'll need a special controller for brushless motors.
Check it out at the LMT website.

-Is that even possible with battery ? or would nitro then ? -

The fastest modelboat in the world is electric (192 km/h).... nitro is slower, as the brushless motors can rev higher.

Regards, Jan

P.S.: where in Denmark do you live?

Hi pompebled,

And thanx again for your reply!

Well it all sounds good though - and im pretty much into the Triton Edition, as i said. And i rather use some more money on a "larger" boat than buy a new, cause it gets to "lazy" for my needs.. [8D]

I tried to find out what controller ill need for it - but that simple is not that easy, hehe i think ill find a guy who all ready run a Triton and ask him, he may also be able to give me some good tips etc.

But your support has been great, so thanx a lot for your help!

I live in "Copenhagen" What about you?


Best regards
Robert

Hi Robert,

Adapted your avatar, you did...

If I understand correctly, you've found someone who runs a Triton?
Good for you, ask him silly.

Otherwise, if you go for a Lehner motor(or any other brand) the manufacturer can give you advice on what ESC to use.

Keep us posted.

Regards, Jan.

Hi again pompebled,

Well please dont get me too confused.. hehe my english got some holes.. hehe

Well i havent found a guy yet though, well or maybe i have, look [link=http://www.hydroworld.de/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=10]HERE[/link], belive i he might know a little.. just wait for him to reply.

else what, didnt quite understand that ? heh sorry Go for a Lehner motor ?.....

Well i also dropped toys-port.hu a mail, they might know, what a good choice would be.

But let me get this straight, if we say i buy a Triton Edition "RTR" it comes with an motor installed, right? and it should be a LMT (Lehner) motor, of some kind? yeah sorry for asking the same questions twice, but just for me to understand this right

This should be the motor, right: [link=http://www.bk-electronics.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_126&products_id=1030&osC sid=de6ec4585303b42bbe332e0166696ba8]MOTOR[/link]

Sure ill keep you updated mate, from now and till im up running sooner og later!


Regards
Robert


PS. see what i got from a post on another board.
http://rc-hydros.com/V90-1032-OPTO.html could that be what i need ?

OK, I'll talk slowly...

As far as I can tell, the RTR comes ready to run.

To be absolutely sure, I would send them a mail, asking them to state what comes with the boat for 645 Euro (sixhundred and fourtyfive!) and what you need to buy to get it running (radio, receiver, receiverpack, maybe even a controller and batteries).

Yes that's the Lehner motor.(brushless)needs a special controller(one with two thick wires going in and three thick wires going out)

No, the RC-Hydros ESC is not compatible with this motor, it's meant for brushed motors. (only two thick wires going in and out)

Let me know how things go.

Regards, Jan.

Hi again pompebled,

Well thanx for cutting every thing out again.. hehe

I was told a lot of times, under the process that they though i rather should choose the ship with a nitro engine, because the batterys are so expensive, and dosent last long.. you have to wait for them to get cold.. clean the cells.. etc..

What is your opnion ??? If we are talking money, and most race..

Have a nice day..

Regards
Rob

Hi Rob,

The choice for electrics or nitro is also determened by where you plan to run the boat.

If you run on salt water, an electric boat can be taped waterproof, a nitro engine needs air and does not like salt water in its intake...

Running nitro's on salt water can be done, but need a rather large boat to have the needed internal volume to run it with a vented hatch (something like a 100-120cm long Deep Vee)

Have you seen the price of nitro lately? Lots of nitro-boys switch to petrol driven boats, so they can run their boat all day for the same costs as it would take to run a nitro for an hour!

Petrol driven boats start at 120cm and up.

Also keep in mind that you are not allowed to run nitro or petrol driven boats everywhere, ask permission first!
Nitro and petrol are rather high maintenance.

Sure, batteries are expensive, about 4,65 Euro for a GP3300 SCHR-U (Hopf), you'll need a good charger, a power-supply for the charger and/or a traction battery to be able to charge "in the field".

The maintenance for my fast electrics is the occasional check of the propshaft and charging my batteries.

As always, the choice is yours.

Regards, Jan.

Hi Jan,

Well i get your point - and i some way i rather buy the electric.

I have been writing a little bit with Joseph from Toys'Port, to get the price ect, and whats included..

Maybe you could help me "translate" it to something i can understand ?.. *LOL*

Here is my mail (copy/paste):
As you can see all his reply is the ((( )))

________________________________

Hello Joseph

Well let me get this straight - my english is not the best :-)

If i buy the Triton Edition "RTR", i get an electric boat for 645 EUR
But what more whould i need to be running? Battries, Controller, Remote.. etc ?

((( I have give you the price of motor and controller. You need also 20-24 pcs 3600 GP cells for 8€/pcs )))

And if i buy the Triton with the Engine 21, i have to buy it as a set - and build it myself? ((( Yes )))
But would i be able to buy the Triton, as a RTR with electric engine? and what would the price be? ((( one Triton electric RTR price is 400 € )))

The thing is that, im not sure ill be able to build the boat from sratch - so i rather choose a RTR set.


And last question - does any of the boats comes pre-painted? or just white? ((( I can make the RTR Triton in white, red, blue and yellow colors )))

When you will I can make one design color also for electric (you see the photo of Triton with Novarossi) this is more 50 €


Best regards
Joseph
________________________________

So, what does this meens: 20-24 pcs 3600 GP cells for 8€/pcs and can you guide me - what to buy? or do you need some more information?


Hope to hear from you soon..

Best regards
Robert

[So, what does this meens: 20-24 pcs 3600 GP cells for 8€/pcs and can you guide me - what to buy? or do you need some more information?

Robert
[/quote]

Hi Robert,

As I understand it the boat comes RTR without the batteries and radio equipment.

I find 8 Euro for a GP3700 (3600 don't exist, that would be 3600 Sanyo's) a bit steep, but as these cells are new on the market they will be expensive for quite some time.

You could look up Hopf and check out the GP3300 SCHR-U:
http://www.hopf-shop.de/product_info...f7c30ba64f868e

These cells are very good and a lot cheaper than the new GP3700.

I just received 24 of the selected GP3300 (Ri 2.2) and hope to do well with them coming race season.

Regards, Jan.

Hi Jan,

Would you mind telling me what it is ? bateries ? and find em for me, so i know that i found the right thing :-)

How many whould i need?
What did you pay for 24?
What would be a radio equipment pack?

Any who - no matter what, would you help me to the final end, to get what i need, after i get the boat ? whats missing etc.

Thanx again Jan,

Regards
Robert

re

Hi Robert,

Doesn't the link in my previous post work?

Those are the cells I ordered for my competition boats, (and paid 4,10 per cell + shipping)

For the RTR with the Lehner, you'll need 20-24 cells, depending on your need for speed.

You can order them as two 10 or 12 cell packs, so you won't have to solder them together.
Ask with which connectors the controller that comes with the boat is equipped and get a couple of extra. (you'll need the extra connectors for making charge-wires and a few to solder onto the battery leads.

If you want to run the boat more than three times a day, order 20 or 24 cells extra.
Your cells need to cool down to ambient temperature, before they can be charged again.
(on racedays, we use computerfans to speed up the cooling)

Charging: do you have a charger, suitable for 24 cells?

Radio: I'd go for a 40 mHz FM radio set, no interference like the 27 mHz AM radio's sometimes suffer from.

Ask if the boat comes with an aerial (antenna), otherwise, your local modelshop should be able to provide you with one.

If you have more questions, fire away!

Regards, Jan.

Hey Robert,

What's cooking?

Ordered something yet?

Just curious....

Regards, Jan.

Yeah just wrote a mail to joseph, and told him that id like to buy the Triton EDITION, but im waiting for his reply ill keep ya updated.

And no matter what im gonna need ya help to find the right cells, remote etc.. :-) but that for later!


Regards
Robert

Hi again,

well update on its way.. well i stopped the order of the Triton EDITION, it was way to expensive..

The price 645 euro was without controller and motor så with all included around 1200 euro, then u nee dthe cells and remote.. way to much...

But i did ask for the plain Triton "RTR" what that would cost with a installed controller and motor.. and now im waiting for him to reply :-) sooner og later i will have it! hehe no matter the cost, its so kewl !

I just have one question, maybe allready aksed before.. but what woul be a good choice if we are talking speed/power/price Brushless: LMT 2240-13, B50-14XL, KBM 67-11?


Regards
Robert

Hi pompebled, u got a PM !!!

I know, working on it...

Jan.