Genesis Offshore Brushless RC Twin Hull (1045mm) from HK
 

Mine should be here Monday, I am pretty excited. This will be my first fiberglass hull, and first cat. I'll get some pictures and do a bit of a review.

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they are a pretty sweet hull ;)

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Yes pics! I was looking at those a while back. I'd like to see pics of one that someone owns. let us know how you like it

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Well it came today. As usual the packaging job was done very well. Go HK!

As for the boat, looks great. When you look close you can see the lines where the decals are cut, but they are on smooth and all under the clear coat. The hull is allot lighter then I had expected for fiberglass. But still seems strong.

I see how you could spend some time building up the glass on the engine mounts, and maybe adding better supports for servos, batteries, rx, and such. All in all it looks pretty good, and should be strong enough stock.

One thing I didn't like was how stiff the flex cable was. this is my first boat with a flex drive system so I have nothing to compare it to. I do plan on taking the drive cable out to grease it. It looks as if it is dry.

It is what is referred to as a 2 pice flex drive. So I have to remove either the motor or strut to get it out for greasing. What would be easier? Which can I screw up less? (Alignment etc.)
I also gave it a quick hook up and test on the bench. The nylon insert was sliding in and out, between the motor coupler and back into the outer tube. Does this matter? or is it normal?The

only other issue was minor, but I had to change the water cooling line coming from the pickup to the ESC. It was a little short, so I just moved it from the bow side of the ESC to the stern side to gain the extra 3 cm. (how'd you like that nautical talk?!)

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HK even sent me some free hatch tape and a Turnigy Lanyard!
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and here are some detailed pics of the inside. You could easily run 8s with the Turnigy 5.8A 2s packs!!! lots of room. Some day maybe, till then, all stock!

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could you please give me some measurements of the boat? an also a good clear close up of the side of the boat where it says Genesis ( why not just do the Agua Mania decals the correct way instead of Genesis??) also did you say in fact that the decals are under the clear coat? an a link as to where you ordered it from... great looking boat overall, an cant wait to see video of you running it..

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Ohhh, that's so purdy! :D

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looks good. send it to me and I will test it out for you lol

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Brian,

I hope one of these pictures is what you where looking for. . .
I bought it from Hobby King here

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VERY NICE!!! Any idea on speed?? 1manshow

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Well, good news and bad.<div></div><div>The Genesis took her maidden voyage tonight. Sorry I have no photos or video of it in action. (I need to find a friend first)</div><div></div><div>Good news, I now know what "fast electric" means. My old Villain IV would go 16mph for about 10 minutes on 1 pack, the Genesis came in at 42.8mph (68.8km/h) for only 5 minutes with 2 packs. The lake felt small for the first time.</div><div></div><div>The bad news is. . . the ESC is shot. By the time I swam out to the boat the low voltage buzzers where going. I don't know if she ran low before or after the ESC quit (in the middle of the lake)</div><div></div><div>I was having a hard time seeing the water exiting from the outlet, so maybe the cooling needs some work. As far as handling goes, it was far different from a V-hull with out drives, but it cornered as well as I could have asked of my sloppy servo mount and linkage. (about 1/2 cm of play - yuck!) The batteries could have been moved forward a touch to better balance the weight. It would porpoise at full speed, but not to bad.</div><div></div><div>I guess I'll see what HK will do for me about the ESC, I was expecting it to fail, but not so fast. I have a 120A Turnigy on backorder, ordered it the same time as the boat. I might see if they will upgrade it to the 180A.</div><div></div><div>All in all I was happy, now I just want to go run it again!!! sigh!</div>

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Get the Turnigy 180!
great esc

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Here is a short vid I did for a friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPisJBqP1vo

Bought it second hand, but it had not been used by former owner much. All stock, and in this vid I t was running on one 4s 4900 pack. The COG is off and the prop should have been retired :-) I think it's a great looking boat, nice finish.

I did notice that it got very hot, motor esc and wires etc. I took my packs (4000 2s) and ran them in serie, and again, everything got very hot. In my S Crusher, the top speed is higher,and everything stay's nice and cool. Everything spins nice and free,and no bent cooling wire's, so something else must be making it warm.

Ohh, I just remembered that the esc s not he one that came with the boat, as that had burned with the former owner. I don't know what type he replaced it with,but maybe it need another programing to stay cooler.

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Not saying you didn't but just mentioning,you should always do a good run down on anything you buy new or used. I have bought new boats and found problems right away from close inspection. one of my cooling lines was kinked and i wouldn't have known it because it was up in the hull and hard to see. but i took the lines off the pickups and blew through them to see if they were clear and found a problem. ive found battery trays that were not secured and would have come loose. Ive found screws that were not tight on motor mounts. heck you name it, everything needs to be gone over like you were building the boat. I hate to say it but sometimes you just cant trust that since its new its ready to go. or blow.

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Well, my order from HK for the Turnigy 180 ESC has been upgraded from dreadful back order to processing. (second round of them coming in now)I am hoping to see it later this week, maybe early next week.<div></div><div>Good news, my brother is coming up to stay with us so I have a "friend" to take pictures and video.</div><div></div><div>I will try to get some video up for you. I am really hoping this thing is going to run more then 5 minutes this time.</div><div></div><div>A little more on the review side:</div><div></div><div>Since the boat has been out of commission, and I am jonesing (sp?) to take it out more, I keep pulling it off the shelf and just looking at it.</div><div></div><div>I originally spoke of the stiff flex drive, well, it was kind of stuck. I gave it some WD-40 and ran it on the bench a bit more, and after a bit of heat (do to friction) it kind of released and spun up. It turned smoother after that, but I didn't want to unnecessarily wear down anything so I pulled the cable by removing the motor. The oil that was on the cable looked like used motor oil. So I gave it a nice bath with WD-40 and dried it all off. I also put a bunch down the stuffing tube as well till it came out clean. I re-greased it with a lithium white grease and reassembled it. Now you can feel the "bumps" of the motor magnets as you turn the prop. Much better.</div><div></div><div>The steering servo mount is pretty much useless. It leaves about 1mm gap around the servo (the one I had anyhow) so the rudder would wiggle free. The linkage also required a little bit of bending to make it clear the bottom of the deck and still give you good travel. I just added a few applications of CA. to hold the servo in place. If I need to replace it I think I will rig up a new servo bracket.</div><div></div><div>Upon close inspection, all the screws and bolts in this thing are "chinese" quality. (sorry for the stereo type) Every screw on the motor is nearly striped, I have replaced all the set screws in the drive line with others I had. Between all the Standard and metric allen wrenches I had, none of them would fit well. It is hard to get things nice an tight, so I have to depend on thread lock to keep em where I can get them to. (though thred lock is a good thing)</div><div></div><div>Well, I hope to have a good video in the next week or so.</div>

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They say you should never swim for a boat, but you probably already know this.

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I do, most R/C boaters die that way. But you also read, they where not good swimmers. I am a pretty good swimmer, I also took a "this is not a flotation device" flotation device with me so I could just float if I was tired. I would like to get a small raft, or have a rescue boat, but can not afford one.

As madmax said DON'T SWIM for boats. . . unless you have had proper training in both swimming, and deep water rescue. As a firefighter I have, but please I only enjoy swimming for boats, not drowned people.
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That' s right, this hull is a beauty, strongly build, very nice finish

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2001/temp138.jpg

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"They say you should never swim for a boat" this is an unfinished sentence. Never swim because..........???????

I am sorry to sway away from the original topic, but when I see a statement like the one above, I like to know why? May be I can educate others about it.

Why you not suppose to swim to get a dead RC boat? I think this would only apply in certain circumstances.
Example: when full size boats blast by, other RC boats being used, you are not a good swimmer, you have never swam after anything that got away such as a pool noodle on the windy lake and so on.
I don't see what is so dangerous about swimming out to a boat and pushing it back to shore. If stamina is a concern wear a life-jacket.
I always swim for it and never feel or felt any danger.

Please elaborate.

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It's just from all the post's that I have read that meantion that, so I thought I would meantion it.
Some of the post's say that people have died from swimming for their boat and it's not worth
the risk. I suppose if a life vest is used there would be less danger.

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looks awesome man! ;)

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If you look up R/C boat fatalities, rarely is it some one being hit buy a boat, but rather almost always (I'd wager over 90%) the owner of the boat going in after the boat and he drowns. It is my personal belief that these drownings are also preceded by 100% stupidity, be it a guy in a boat who can't swim falls out getting the boat and drowns because he has no life jacket, or The guy who wades into frigid water and gets hypothermia, or just a poor swimmer runs out of energy cramps up and drowns.

So to finish the sentence,"They say you should never swim for a boat, because you could die"

Firefighters have a saying, "risk little to save little, risk allot to save allot." An R/C boat that most likely will drift to shore compared to your life is not worth much.

Alternative ways to rescue a boat other then swimming:
1. use a string/rope tied to a ball and or stick. (through passed boat and drag back gently)
2. use a fishing pole and line in the same manner as above.
3. use another R/C "rescue" boat to push the boat back.
4. take a small raft or dingy and paddle out, wear a life jacket.
5. always boat down wind, the wind will push your boat back. Just wait. (this is what I did when my Nitro V convert lost it's set screws in the drive shaft. I could have swam for it, but I did not have my "this is not a flotation device" with me, it was cold, and I was alone. NOT WORTH THE RISK)

To be honest, you should never HAVE TOO swim for a boat.

Now that that has been cleared up. . .

My new Turnigy 180A ESC is in the mail!!!! I can hardly wait.
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Quit braggin' about how you managed to get it without "cheap" hardware! How is that coming along? I am just so please I have one too.
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I got one last week, and we took it out on the weekend for the first time, it was great! i ran 2x 4s 2200 mAh packs, and it was pretty fast.... im wondering though, will the esc and motor be able to handle 2x 5s 2600 mAh lipo's?? i wanna order a couple to try em out, but if the esc cant handle it i wont bother.... i know it wont do 6S, but will it do 5S?

TIA.
ginnz.

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Mine fried on just 4s, I would not push it.  If you are going to order more LiPo's I would get them so you have more like 5000mAh<div>
</div><div>I would also get the Turnigy 120A or 180A ESC.  If I am lucky I will get mine setup and on the lake today.</div>

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If you want your Genesis fast use 2x3S 5000mAh serial, good 1500kV motor and Seaking 180A esc. 2x4Sbatteries with1200kV motorwill be better but an esc working on 8S is more expensive.
An other issue is tobuild a twin setup, 4S, 5S or 6S per motor

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Looking to the price for a Castle 1512 1,5Y 1800kV, (60 US$ actually)it' s not expensive to build a twin with that setup http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...sn/thumbup.gif

www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php

Too late for me I bought a set of NEU 1512 1,5Y1850kV

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3722/temp4n.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9310/temp152.jpg

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A dual setup would be nice, but the hulls we got from HK already have holes in them and a single setup. At this point I think it is going for the most fun (read as speed) with the stock guts.

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There is only the hole for flex shaft.The mostdifficult is to find more than 10cm longstingers.I boughtpowertrims atRaceboats shop

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Here' s a photo of the Genesis with NEU motors, Seaking esc' s, Raceboats powertrims, Hopf rudder, etc.

I' m satidfied this is a nice project http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/351/iconyay.gif


http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/5702/temp166.jpg

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if it were me, I would do a single Castle 1520 on 5s2p
massive power and great runtimes

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I spent some time checking over the boat, and cleared some rough edges around the water pickup on the rudder.  I think that was preventing good water flow on my initial run.  That caused the ESC to over heat and blow.  Got the water cooling routed and the Turnigy 180A ESC installed.<div>
</div><div>I hit the water this morning, first run lasted about 8-10 minutes before I hit LVC at 3.2v/cell.  Boat ran great, and everything stayed cool, under 150F.<div>
</div><div>Second run I swapped out the prop for an "upgrade" The blue plastic turnigy ones from HK.  They look nice, but the one I used had a bad mold and I lost a blade.  Didn't hit anything, just came off from the force.  And then the vibration knocked loose the set screw on the motor collet (I think thats the term, part coupling the motor shaft to flex cable)</div><div>
</div><div>I need to replace the set screw as it is crap and all striped out.  I cant get it tight.  Once I find a replacement I will try making a flat spot on the motor shaft as well.  I don't want to remove the motor again as all the hardware holding it in is also crap, and the heads might strip out.</div><div>
</div><div>So, not great news, but only minor problems.  I need to spend some time sealing the boat a little more as it is taking on some water every run.  Once it is working great with the stock prop, I will look into getting some different metal props to try out.</div></div><div>
</div><div>Top speed today was 64.8km/h.  The boat porpoises pretty bad at top speed.  I moved the batteries all the way forward, but it didn't help much.  I think it just slowed the boat down.</div><div>
</div><div>I need to look into tuning with the strut and rudder.</div><div>
</div><div>I'll get some video and pictures next time.</div>

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That should be a great setup with 5S in each transom, the boat will be more stable.More weight can be an advantage with a catamaran hull and high torque motor

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I agree, more weight helps these hulls stay planted ;)

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Is it possible to buy this cat as a bare hull with no holes? If so how?

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I have seen them but I have know idea where to buy them? [:-]

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Rebel Bay pulled some kind of scam to get one, but I think it was a one time deal kind of thing.  The way it comes is ok, but the hardware (set screws) are pretty cheap.  I think the actual rudder, motor mount, stand off bracket, and other parts are pretty good.  It's just the hex key bolts and grub/set screws, they are ALL crap.  At least thats the case with mine.

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What is "kind of scam" ??

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Could you please share with us how you were able to purchase a bare hull.