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Old 10-14-2002, 09:04 PM
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I've been having some problems with my heli jumping around so I decided to split the frames and check the bearings. Just as I thought both mast bearings are very rough. How long do these usually last? I have 10 gallons through it. I think they have some dust or grit that go inside of them. One of them has very very little roughness and the other one is horrible. The start shaft bearings are fine but the clutch bell is free to move up and down. I dont rember it doing this when I first put it together, maybe I just forgot? Will boom strikes or tip overs hurt the bearings?

Well, looks like heliproz is getting another order from me!
Old 10-14-2002, 09:13 PM
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Will boom strikes or tip overs hurt the bearings?

Absolutely! You might check around for some other suppliers for some better quality bearings. I've found the TT Chinese bearings don't take much abuse before they get notchy.
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Where can I get better bearings at?
Old 10-14-2002, 09:16 PM
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Call Ron Lund at rcheli.com or bocabearings.com. Tell them the size you want and they will have several qualities available.
Old 10-14-2002, 09:30 PM
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Default Raptor mast bearings.

What about the clutch thing?
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Default Raptor mast bearings.

It sounds like your start shaft may need moved up and the start coupling reset on it. If the coupling isn't down tight when you lock it the clutch can move up and down some. The pinion might be worn on the bearing also. I'd pull it out and check it while you have it apart.
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That was it, the start coupler was loose. Thanks.
Old 10-14-2002, 10:26 PM
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I can't get the start coupler off, Any tricks on pulling it off? It's stuck, it will move a little up and dopwn but won't come off, no matter how hard I pull!!!
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If you don't need to take it off, then I wouldn't! If you can press it down far enough or tap it down some and tighten the set screws, do that until the need to get it out comes, ie bearing repalcement. The set screws gall the shaft and make it nearly impossible to remove without destroying the bearings. I'll let you figure out how I know this.
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Well, it's the burrs where the setscrews were in the shaft that is holding it up. I've put the clutch bell on a vise with the jaws open some and driven the shaft down through the coupler with a punch. Be careful doing this as it is easy to damage the bearings. I usually replace them if I have it this far apart anyway.
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Should I also replace the clutch bell and that bearing also?
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No. If the bearings are fine, use something to support the bottom of the pinion that is softer than the pinion (wood comes to mind) and tap the hex adaptor down until you can tighten the set screws so that the up and down play is gone. I can't recommend using any force on an aluminum clutch bell though I could recommend putting the adaptor in a vise and tapping the shaft out of it, then using something like a Dremel or a file to remove the burr on the shaft so that a bad bearing could be removed or a new bearing could be installed.

also see http://www.raptortechnique.com/clutchbell.htm
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Well it looks like my clutch bell bearing is also bad. Does heliproz stock the 50 clutch bell? The one with the groove in it. I wonder if the bad bearing is what killed my clutch. The liner didn't seem to have much wear at all.
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Sorry, double post.
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seems to me it's time for aileron to start earning his (her?) keep. My dog Spike (the wonder dog) checks my helis over for me and shows me where the problems are. Recently he's been focusing on my dumb thumbs.....lol.....
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Default Raptor mast bearings.

For bettter bearings, check with Boca Bearings.
http://www.bocabearings.com/hobby/
"We stock the world's best bearings for all Gas, Glow Fuel and Jet Turbine Engines for Planes, Cars & Trucks, Helicopters and Boats. Most Bearing Sets listed, which include both the front and rear bearings, are available in either Standard Replacement Bearings or our High Speed, High Heat Precision Series for optimum performance. "
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Default Raptor mast bearings.

Originally posted by timjpeters
seems to me it's time for aileron to start earning his (her?) keep. My dog Spike (the wonder dog) checks my helis over for me and shows me where the problems are. Recently he's been focusing on my dumb thumbs.....lol.....
Right now she seems to be trying to stop me from flying! Very first day I got my Volt meter I had to resolder on the wire she chewed off! And I wonder where those bite marks on the vertical tyail fins came from.
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Originally posted by Culverson
For bettter bearings, check with Boca Bearings.
http://www.bocabearings.com/hobby/
"We stock the world's best bearings for all Gas, Glow Fuel and Jet Turbine Engines for Planes, Cars & Trucks, Helicopters and Boats. Most Bearing Sets listed, which include both the front and rear bearings, are available in either Standard Replacement Bearings or our High Speed, High Heat Precision Series for optimum performance. "
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. To cut costs I just ordered evverything from Heliproz. Once I get my finances back to a safe level I'll reconsider.
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Gidday
I was after engine bearings for a tt36 for a r30
boca ~us$20 -$50
www.minibearings.au.com ~US$ 12 for both in stock japanese bearings
Regards Don
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Default Raptor mast bearings.

Use a "Greaser" with a quality synthetic wheel bearing grease that has the "EP" extreme pressure rating. I have found on the Raptors, that any crash that bends the mainshaft, also damages at least the top bearing. As Scotty740 has said, the TT bearings are very poor quality, and won't take much of a hit.
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Default Raptor mast bearings.

Sence you guys are on the subject of bearings. Is there a name for the type of bearing that is in the swash plate that allows rotation and pivoting?
Mike

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