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08-09-2007, 02:29 AM
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Hay buddy,
I'm not 100% sure...but I don't think N.M. makes a P-82 or F-82 Twin Mustang. World Models does make an F-82 Twin Mustang...and though not real scale...it is a very good flyer. The W.M. F-82 flies well on one engine and can be powered with two .32's to two .40's. Use light engines...for it builds nose heavy. Toss out the foam wheels and double check your hardware and fuel tanks. It has a really outstanding presents in the air and a very good war bird twin trainer.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
I'm not 100% sure...but I don't think N.M. makes a P-82 or F-82 Twin Mustang. World Models does make an F-82 Twin Mustang...and though not real scale...it is a very good flyer. The W.M. F-82 flies well on one engine and can be powered with two .32's to two .40's. Use light engines...for it builds nose heavy. Toss out the foam wheels and double check your hardware and fuel tanks. It has a really outstanding presents in the air and a very good war bird twin trainer.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
08-09-2007, 02:50 AM
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Hay Roadtripessentials,
I stand corrected...I just went to the Nitro Planes web sight and I found that they do have a twin mustang ! They also did the same thing that World Models did...and stuck two .40/.46 class single engine mustang fuse. together to make the airframe. The fuse is no where near scale but it works ok and in the air...you can hardly tell the difference. I have no experience with the N.P. single engine P-51D, but I do with the W.M. issue of the P-51D. The W.M. P-51D set the standard for the ARF P-51 in the .40/.46 class for excellent flight perfomance and construction. Hence...the W.M. F-82 flies just like the single engine P-51D...accept if flies better. I'm not sure if any of this helps you...but my rap on the F-82's.
The W.M F-82 now lists for $250.00...and four years ago when I bought my F-82 from W.M., it cost me $350.00 plus shiping. The N.P. P-82 sells for $199.00...and is the same size as the W.M. F-82. Price wise the N.M. is the better deal...but understand...N.P. instructions leave much to be desired...or in short, suck some serious hind wind...and I'm being nice to these so called assembly manuals that N.P. puts in their kits... W.M. has a much more user friendly assembly manual and their kit goes together easy and sweet.
The N.P. P-82 uses a conventional center wing, flap...the W.M. F-82 utilizes a center wing, split flap. N.P. uses plywood doublers for wing assembly, and the W.M. uses a alum. wing tube. N.P. uses a plastic peace for the retract wheel wells, and W.M. uses a built in balsa wheel well in their center wings, for the retacts. All the rest looks the same...but until I have my hands on the N.P. kit...I will not know for sure.
My N.P. P-38 I built came out 3.7 pounds heavyer then the instructions called out for...and that was the norm for this kit. My W.M. F-82 was no light weight either...but it handled the weight just fine. N.P. calls out a G.W. weight for their P-82 at just under 10#...and I doubt that you can build this kit at this weight. Both kits will have 9 servo's and you will use a ton of wires to hook everything up. I ended using two receivers and two smaller nicads to power my model...same for my P-38.
W.M. had issues with weak landing gear legs on their F-82...and W.M. went through several up grades to their mechanical retracks for their kit. You may want to buy a set of W.M. F-82 mechanical retracts...the last issue of their retracks work ok for me...but the N.P. mechanical retracks look questionalble and rather thin in their pictures. The issues with W.M retractable landing gear for their F-82 was that it could not handle the weight of the model. They used a cut down version of their .40/46 class P-51D landing gear...and the F-82 that W.M. sold was substansually heaver then the single engine P-51D.
Soft Landings always,
Bobby of Maui
I stand corrected...I just went to the Nitro Planes web sight and I found that they do have a twin mustang ! They also did the same thing that World Models did...and stuck two .40/.46 class single engine mustang fuse. together to make the airframe. The fuse is no where near scale but it works ok and in the air...you can hardly tell the difference. I have no experience with the N.P. single engine P-51D, but I do with the W.M. issue of the P-51D. The W.M. P-51D set the standard for the ARF P-51 in the .40/.46 class for excellent flight perfomance and construction. Hence...the W.M. F-82 flies just like the single engine P-51D...accept if flies better. I'm not sure if any of this helps you...but my rap on the F-82's.
The W.M F-82 now lists for $250.00...and four years ago when I bought my F-82 from W.M., it cost me $350.00 plus shiping. The N.P. P-82 sells for $199.00...and is the same size as the W.M. F-82. Price wise the N.M. is the better deal...but understand...N.P. instructions leave much to be desired...or in short, suck some serious hind wind...and I'm being nice to these so called assembly manuals that N.P. puts in their kits... W.M. has a much more user friendly assembly manual and their kit goes together easy and sweet.
The N.P. P-82 uses a conventional center wing, flap...the W.M. F-82 utilizes a center wing, split flap. N.P. uses plywood doublers for wing assembly, and the W.M. uses a alum. wing tube. N.P. uses a plastic peace for the retract wheel wells, and W.M. uses a built in balsa wheel well in their center wings, for the retacts. All the rest looks the same...but until I have my hands on the N.P. kit...I will not know for sure.
My N.P. P-38 I built came out 3.7 pounds heavyer then the instructions called out for...and that was the norm for this kit. My W.M. F-82 was no light weight either...but it handled the weight just fine. N.P. calls out a G.W. weight for their P-82 at just under 10#...and I doubt that you can build this kit at this weight. Both kits will have 9 servo's and you will use a ton of wires to hook everything up. I ended using two receivers and two smaller nicads to power my model...same for my P-38.
W.M. had issues with weak landing gear legs on their F-82...and W.M. went through several up grades to their mechanical retracks for their kit. You may want to buy a set of W.M. F-82 mechanical retracts...the last issue of their retracks work ok for me...but the N.P. mechanical retracks look questionalble and rather thin in their pictures. The issues with W.M retractable landing gear for their F-82 was that it could not handle the weight of the model. They used a cut down version of their .40/46 class P-51D landing gear...and the F-82 that W.M. sold was substansually heaver then the single engine P-51D.
Soft Landings always,
Bobby of Maui
08-09-2007, 04:12 PM
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I was looking at the NP P-82 as well. I like the color scheme better than the WM's one. Invasion strips, and yellow tail. WM products are generally very good, the specs between the two look virtually identical with the exception of the previous posters comments. I never bought a Nitro Product before, but there are a few of the Bobcats at my field and they liked them. Very experienced builders though, as well as I am so I might be able to get it together. A friend of mine had a Dynaflite P-82 kit built mustang, maybe just a hair smaller in dimensions, two S .46's for power, flew very very well. Heck for $200 bucks, I might snag one next week. I can get Supertigre .40's at Tower for $49.95, less discounts...so plane and two .40's for $300 aint bad. ne of the RC Video magazines did a write up on the WM P-82, and they used two MDS .38's ...flew super.
08-09-2007, 10:57 PM
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I too have the Bobcat. Not a very well built plane, however the glass work is very good.
I have wanted a P-82 for years. Even tried to draw some plans once.
I would like to hear from fellow modelers that have built and flown tha ARF.
I know it is not scale, but it looks cool.
Thanks
I have wanted a P-82 for years. Even tried to draw some plans once.
I would like to hear from fellow modelers that have built and flown tha ARF.
I know it is not scale, but it looks cool.
Thanks
08-10-2007, 12:37 AM
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Prop_Washer 2,
I modified my W.M. F-82 with a yellow tail and invasion strips too. This was my first attempt at doing invasions strips on a model...and no where near scale. But I will say that the model was easy to see in the air, and had a most impresive presents. I'm very interested in how this kit was put together. To be honest...I was impressed with the N.P. P-38 construction.
The W.M. P-82 has good single engine performance. It was easy to control with rudder when you lose an engine, and dispite its weight, flew well.
With out a doubt...I would take the time and beef up the landing gear area in the wing. I lost my gear twice in my W.M. F-82 and I had to do wing repairs to the landing gear area. I found that unless I did a squeeker of a landing, I would either bend the gear wire or damage the mounts when the retract gear folded. The model gets into ground affect, and just floats at times. If you notice...it has short gear legs. And I would toss out the foam wheels in the kit. Use good Du Bro or others wheels that can take the side loads and weight of the airframe. I had my first gear fold on landing when one of the foam wheels came appart on a landing. The second repair was just dumb thumbs, but I did get it back airworthy, and flew it again. I have over 60 flights on my F-82...and still flyable after four years.
I will also add that this model had at least half of all landings single engine. My first engines were Fox .50's and were a turkey to keep running. They were mounted inverted...and I would never do that again...now I would side mount my engines or place them up-vertical.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
I modified my W.M. F-82 with a yellow tail and invasion strips too. This was my first attempt at doing invasions strips on a model...and no where near scale. But I will say that the model was easy to see in the air, and had a most impresive presents. I'm very interested in how this kit was put together. To be honest...I was impressed with the N.P. P-38 construction.
The W.M. P-82 has good single engine performance. It was easy to control with rudder when you lose an engine, and dispite its weight, flew well.
With out a doubt...I would take the time and beef up the landing gear area in the wing. I lost my gear twice in my W.M. F-82 and I had to do wing repairs to the landing gear area. I found that unless I did a squeeker of a landing, I would either bend the gear wire or damage the mounts when the retract gear folded. The model gets into ground affect, and just floats at times. If you notice...it has short gear legs. And I would toss out the foam wheels in the kit. Use good Du Bro or others wheels that can take the side loads and weight of the airframe. I had my first gear fold on landing when one of the foam wheels came appart on a landing. The second repair was just dumb thumbs, but I did get it back airworthy, and flew it again. I have over 60 flights on my F-82...and still flyable after four years.
I will also add that this model had at least half of all landings single engine. My first engines were Fox .50's and were a turkey to keep running. They were mounted inverted...and I would never do that again...now I would side mount my engines or place them up-vertical.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
08-16-2007, 10:28 AM
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Hay PE2fan,
Yes...I added two extra engines and I had four .32's. I flew it only a couple of times this way, and changed the engines out to four OS Max .10's ( this is the first issue of the Twin Star). Then after about a year...I installed four .15's and this was the power for this model and if flew well this way. You can buy the extra nacelles from Tower, covers fuel tanks and engine mounts too. It flew like greased lightening with the .32, but the wings would vibrate from all the power, so I decided to change them to four .10's that I had. These are the older OS Max .10's that I powered a small C-121 I built twenty five years ago. The .10's would fly the model, but it was marginal on three engies and difficult to control. The four .15's flew it well, good three engine control, and I've had many flights with this combo. The dual landing gear was mostly just for laughs and there are no problems with it on the ground.
Soft landings always,
Bobby of Maui
Yes...I added two extra engines and I had four .32's. I flew it only a couple of times this way, and changed the engines out to four OS Max .10's ( this is the first issue of the Twin Star). Then after about a year...I installed four .15's and this was the power for this model and if flew well this way. You can buy the extra nacelles from Tower, covers fuel tanks and engine mounts too. It flew like greased lightening with the .32, but the wings would vibrate from all the power, so I decided to change them to four .10's that I had. These are the older OS Max .10's that I powered a small C-121 I built twenty five years ago. The .10's would fly the model, but it was marginal on three engies and difficult to control. The four .15's flew it well, good three engine control, and I've had many flights with this combo. The dual landing gear was mostly just for laughs and there are no problems with it on the ground.
Soft landings always,
Bobby of Maui
10-17-2007, 02:42 PM
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Bob,
Nice hanger. My planes lean on the wall. It works for now.
I guess I might have to jump in and buy the P-82 from Nitro Models and see what I get.
If i do, I will post.
Bob,
Nice hanger. My planes lean on the wall. It works for now.
I guess I might have to jump in and buy the P-82 from Nitro Models and see what I get.
If i do, I will post.
Did you ever buy the Nitro Model P-82?
I looked on their website and could not find a manual. Just wanted to see how it was put together.
Do both the NP and WM planes bolt the wing and fuselges together permanently?
Can they be seperated for transportation to the flying field?
I am thinking of the P-82 for my first twin.
Thanks,
Pete
10-17-2007, 02:46 PM
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The was a thread on it, do a search. Someone said the WM has an aluminum tub, whereas the NP has a plywood joiner for the wing. Retract issues appear as well. The wm had issues early production, but later improved. I can't find anyone who has built the np version. I was looking at it myself. May order one tomorrow. $169.00 Jeez...great price. The wm was $389.00 in the beginning. They look like the same bird, infact the np is better looking...IMHO
10-17-2007, 08:11 PM
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Prop Washer2,
Found the build for the electric conversion after I made the post. Now I understand how the plane is put together. I like the looks of the NM olive drab version, by far. And that 169.00 price? Hard to beat. But, with all of Bob Paris' comments on post #3 I am leaning heavily toward the WM plane. Guess I would rather spend a few extra dollars, and maybe someday recover with a different color scheme. If I get one, I would like to put two, 4 stroke engines. Not a big selection in that size, and I suppose engine weight would determine which one. Anybody have any suggestions for the engines?
Pete
Found the build for the electric conversion after I made the post. Now I understand how the plane is put together. I like the looks of the NM olive drab version, by far. And that 169.00 price? Hard to beat. But, with all of Bob Paris' comments on post #3 I am leaning heavily toward the WM plane. Guess I would rather spend a few extra dollars, and maybe someday recover with a different color scheme. If I get one, I would like to put two, 4 stroke engines. Not a big selection in that size, and I suppose engine weight would determine which one. Anybody have any suggestions for the engines?
Pete
10-17-2007, 08:38 PM
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May have already seen this, but just in case.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=545
WM electric conversion with video
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=545
WM electric conversion with video
10-18-2007, 07:26 AM
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Porbably a couple of .70 4-strokes. YS FZ-63's, Saito .72's, maybe even the new Saito .62's thru .82's would probably work well. I
l'll probably put 2 Supertigre .40's on it. $49.00 minus discounts at Tower. I have 2 new ones waiting for a Dual Ace, and may pick up 2 more. Shoot for $44 bucks or so with discounts, hey...that's a very inexpensive twin !!!
l'll probably put 2 Supertigre .40's on it. $49.00 minus discounts at Tower. I have 2 new ones waiting for a Dual Ace, and may pick up 2 more. Shoot for $44 bucks or so with discounts, hey...that's a very inexpensive twin !!!
10-18-2007, 02:35 PM
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Yea, after looking at the four strokes, I think they would have to much weight. So, I will probably use 2 strokes. I really like OS, a little more money, but pretty reliable