Seagull's "Dual Ace"
 

Is this nice or what!!

http://www.jperkinsdistribution.co.u...vmain=Aircraft - ARTF &subcatname=ARTF - Seagull

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38 views and no comments. Hmmm....... guess it won't be a big seller here! :)

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Tom:

Lousy pictures, not much information, and a high price for a fancied up TwinStar.

Enough comment?

Bill.

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Agree, some better pics would be nice.

Is it available in the US? Does it come With a retract option. If it has a tapered wing and symetrical airfoil it would be pretty hot.

Good find, thanks for sharing

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Okay, sounds like you won't be getting one Bill! :D

I see it as a much better alternative than a Twinstar. Looks far better. Has clear windows and a cockpit could be installed. Larger nacelles hide the engtines better and look more scale. The airplane reminds me of a Twin Commanche. I like it. I see one in my future. ;)

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hey guys

they available here in Oz and a club member has test flown one using 2 x .46 AXs for motivation ! As you could imagine it went like a rocket!
I took a look at one (NIB) at had a constant chord, symetrical wing, reasonable covering and looked quite Ok for a twin hack, although I would have to install retracts and paint some cammo on it !!:D (Twin Warbirds for me!)
They seem very lightly built (almost flimsy) and with a fliying weight of only around 10lbs they would/should be very easy twin to fly, next time I'm at the field I'll try and get some pics and post them.

cheers

Alan

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spitmad: g'day, and glad you chimed in! Please do take lots of piccy's and post away!! :D

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Hi from the UK

I have a Seagull Dual Ace which I bought a couple of weeks ago. It was bought on Monday and flying on Friday. I have fitted 2 TT GP42's (cheap plain bearing motors which are well used) and needed a touch on lead to balance the light engines. I balanced it 10mm back from the suggested 80-90mm at 100mm from the L.E. and she flies superbly. Very quick and highly aerobatic. I can prop-hang it and I am sure the passengers would not be very happy inside! Fellow club members have been very impressed and the sound is great. I have pasted some photos on our club web site in the reviews section www.hornetsmfc.co.uk. Motors are side mounted.

Steerable noseleg was replaced with a fixed 6swg home made one as it was useless on our grass patch otherwise I was very impressed with the quality and build. It goes together really well and the instructions are not too bad - not up to Hangar 9 standard but far better than the Flair Mosquito I am building. I used all the supplied hardware which seems well up to the job. I particularly like the glass nacelle halves which enclose the engine, tank etc and the servo for each elevator half. All up weight is 11 lbs and the handling is excellent with no nasty surprises. Last Sunday I had to stop flying as I put half a gallon through it and ran out of fuel!

I would recommend you take a close look at this twin as the box is a little unrepresentative of the quality of the model in my opinion.

Guy Glover

United Kingdom

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Guy:

A little bother to get to your club site, but I managed it. Then I had to find the plane. For those who go in, it's listed under "Projects."

To save others the effort here are the pictures, cleaned up a bit of course.

Bill.

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That is good looking aircraft. I wonder why someone who is trying to sell a model does not include good quality pics. When I first saw the pics on the seller's site, I passed it off as "goofy" looking, but the pics added to the thread show it is much better looking.
I noticed the website mentions "channels-6", & "servos-7". Does this mean that it has flaps and retracts?

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Terry:

In Guy Glover's write-up at his club site, he said he had used dual elevator servos. That, with dual aileron and throttle servos, makes seven adding the rudder servo.

To get to his site, click on his link first, then cut and paste the bolded URL (in the upper section) into the search box, click "Go." Then click "Projects" to see the next link that takes you to the report. Needlessly complex, but that's what I had to do.

Bill.

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The link to Guys site is dead now.

Bill, thanks for capturing and posting the pictures! That is a handsome airplane. I definitely see it in my future now. Just need to get one stateside.

Guy, thanks for chiming in and making your pictures and performance known! [sm=thumbup.gif]

TLH101: talk about goofy pics on the box. The Phoenix F-20 has about the goofiest drawing ever. I got the plane and inside is nothing like the drawing. Of course it is much much better. Phoenix really needs to can the drawings and stick to photos of the real model!

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Tom (and others):

Sorry, I missed a couple steps to get into Guy's site. Just went in gain, and made screen shots along the way.

1) Click on the link in Guyglo's post.
2) Cut and paste the club name into the search box, and click "GO."
3) Even though this looks like you've been sent back home, click on the club name.
4) Now click on "Projects (etc)."
5) Select the "Seagull Twin,"
6) And there you are.

Sorry for the error.

Bill.

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Hey guys
called past the local hobby store and had another look at the Dual Ace, retails here in Australia for $270 which is good value for a twin (considering that alot of single engine .46 size ARFs are $250ish , the only other ARF twins are the ESM/KMP B25 @ $560, the ESM P38 @ $640 and the CMPro Mosquito @ $450.

The model is VERY light weight for a twin (bordering on flimsy!), I contemplated splashing some cash as it is so cheap (as I have spare engines, servos etc to build with no extra cost )but decided that it was too much work to fit retracts (all the extra strengthening of U/C Mounts) and the covering looks like it will peel easily........It looks like it would be a nice 'reliable twin hack' that you could fly with minimal maintenance ........I'll think I'll stick to high maintenance twins (My B25, P38 and Mossie) for now and finish the projects on the bench (TF GS P47)......then again I may change my mind tomorrow :eek:

cheers

Alan

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Hello again from the UK.

Sorry some are having trouble getting to the Hornets web site for my Dual Ace pics. If you type in www.hornetsmfc.co.uk into your browser it works fine. It is only the link from this site.
Anyway thanks for putting them on to this forum.

There are three servos in the fus, rudder and 2 elevator, in the wing there are 2 throttle and 2 aileron. No flaps and retracts.
The wing halves slide on to a substantial alloy tube and are fixed in place with 2 large nylon (?) screws each from inside the fus. Canopy in held in place by 4 set screws. Throttle and aileron servos have to be connected up once the wings are in place. All pretty quick really.

No spinners are supplied in the box

Just for those who may be interested she fits fully assembled into the back of my Chevy Lumina APV - but only just!

Cheers,

Guy Glover

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Cheers, Guy. Thank you! [sm=thumbup.gif]

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Great News!

I contacted Horizon Hobby to inquire about them importing the Dual Ace and guess what!! :D :D :D

Tom, Hello and thank you for your question. We will be getting the Dual Ace from Seagull around late February early March. We will not be picking up the Sea Fury at this time. Thank you for your interest in our products and we continue to look into the new and exciting models from the Seagull company. Hope this answers your questions and have a good day.

Thank You,
Horizon Consumer Sales Division
800-338-4639

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Not a bad looking airplane.Its a shame there is no option for retracts though.It looks very simular to my Twin Comanche

Steve
uk

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While scrolling through this forum the other day I saw mention of the Dual Ace. I liked the pictures (box art is awful) and thought I might like one. Today in my cruise through one of the local hobby shops one was sitting there so I had to have a look and I liked what I saw so I plunked down my money, (a rare occurance) and took it home. After a quick glance through the manual I quickly saw I didn't like the way they did things so I was going to do it in my own order.
The first thing I did was to remove the canopy and notice that all the hardware is metric which is OK and it does seem to be of a reasonable quality. The canopy (cabin roof) removed cleanly giving access to the innerds; plenty of room in there. I noticed all the visible glue joints had a fairly wide bead extending out from the actual juncture so there seemed to be plenty of glue in there although I do wish I knew what it was.
I just had to rough assemble the main components to get an Idea of just how big this plane was going to be when finished. Plenty big by the looks of it although a pair of 45's which I happen to have might just make this thing ballistic. The first task regarding effort in the building department was to remove covering where the wing tube, servo leads and stabilizer pass through the fuselage. At first I thought the covering might be Ultracoat (good) but on closer examination I think it is some form of Eastern film used on hundreds of other ARF's. It was so tough that my scalpel had trouble cutting it cleanly; tough stuff. The second thing I noticed is that there were a few wrinkles, mainly in the stabilizer and a couple in the wings. I hope the heat gun will do it's job when I attack it.
Anyway, that's it for about an hours poking about, I'll post more as I come to it. If you have any questions or advice which I might use please post it here so we can all learn. So far I'm happy with it.
Peter

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hi all here is my config, have got it last nov and madien.. since done 2 flight.. flies really well though

Servo JR 539
Engines: 2xSaito 72
Prop: 2x12/6 Mas

here is the link to the video
http://www.daddyhobby.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11306

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jephry!! That is so awesome!! [sm=thumbup.gif][sm=thumbup.gif]

Thanks for posting the video. What a sweet plane! :D

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Hi Jephry,yes,an exellent video.Started assembling mine last night.Hope it flies as well as yours.
Googled up the Piper,and doesn't it look like the Seneca.Have been trying to work out which full size plane it resembled.Now I know.

Cheers,

Fearless Fly

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Yes, the video is excellent. It seems to fly like a Dualist. I was wondering if there is any tendency to tip stall with the flaperons deployed? They are fairly far out on the wing and being a tapered wing and all.
I think those wheels inthe kit will have to go! 2" diameter and soft foam rubber. I think one session of flying off hardtop would rip them right off.
I got the tail surfaces hinged and glued on last night along with taking the wrinkles out. The covering seems to respond to lots of heat so all may be well. I can't say I'm fussy of the pushrods, especially the rudder and was thinking about pull pull.
Peter

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yup the wheel i am using is 70mm, too short will not clear the prop nicely, Flaperon is set at 30% and so far no tip stalling issues... land with bou 15 - 20% throttle will guide it down with scale looks.. take off at 60% for long runway and scale looks

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Hi;Anybody know if availble in the US?If so where and how much.Does remind me of my Twinstar buy bigger and more scale looking.

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Whoops!Missed seeing knots post that horizon was going to bring then in.Did quick look nothing on there site yet but will watch!

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:D

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Horizon is listing it now! Due mid February:

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByC...025&tag=aq_art

:D:D:D

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Is the Dual Ace equipped with two tanks ?, are they located in each nacelle and how many ounces of fuel do they carry. I have a twinstar equipped with 40LA's, okay plane but 4 ounce fuel tanks behind each engine give it a paltry 5-6 minute flight time.

Thanks in advance,

PH

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Download the manual and see:

http://www.seagullmodels.com/sach/34.pdf

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tHE Dual Ace manual is also on the Horizon site now.

Bill.

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Yes, the Dual Ace has twin tanks and each is around 8-9 oz. They seem plenty big for most flying. The cowl comes off quite easily, although there are a lot of screws, which gives easy access to the tanks and the throttle servos. Mine is nearly finished now. I bent up a new set of main gear and used a nose gear from a wreck. The wire provided seems fairly poor and did'nt fit the cut out in the wing well. These are not serious problems but I had the material so I thought it could be fixed easily. I have two 2-1/2" aluminum spinners on order so they should dress up the front end when they arrive. If I ever tear out the gear I'm going to investigate installing retracts. The plane screams for them. I also installed a piece of Monocote trim film along the top of the side windows to straighten up that line. It gives the plane a much smoother appearance.
Peter

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Pictures, Peter, pictures!! :D

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Thanks gents for the response...I'm ready to spend another 6 Franklins (when it's all said and done) on this bird...Looks like I'll have to wait a month or so...

PH

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What other engine combo's are folks using in the Dual Ace. It's designed for 46's so the engine choice is quite wide, but it could even take a couple of 50's or 53's I guess.
Are there any cabin sets which would fit the cockpit on this model. I know Tower do some but I'm not sure on scale/dimensions etc.

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Mine happens to have a pair of Royal 45's. They have proven very reliable over the years I've used them. For props I'm planning on starting with 11 X 6's. I think a three line fuel tank will be necessary with a fuel dot on the filler line.
I still have to take the picture to show the trim line on the side windows but imagine a straight line from the top of the second window on the side going straight back parallel to the cabin roof line. Like a Cessna 310 etc.
Peter

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I gotta have it!!

Bigger than a Twinstar and will be a perfect match for my 2 NIB TH .46 engines.

Wish it had retracts.[:o]

Still, it looks 100% better than the Twinstar IMO. Bigger, more wing area, will work on the engines I have, clear windows instead of stupid black covering on the Twinstar (simulated windows) Not bad for the price. I would have easily paid that price instead of the $120 for the Twinstar--had the plane been available last month.

I can't wait. Anyone wanna buy a NIB Twinstar?[sm=lol.gif] I ain't even gonna bother putting it together now.

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Rcpilet: did you read how it resembled a Piper Seneca? Do a google image search for Seneca and check out all the posibble paint schemes!

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I was about to order a back-up TwinStar to stash in the shop. Looks like I'll be buying the Seagull instead.....

Good flying,
desmobob

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I am going to the WRAM show at the end of Feb. in NY. I hope Horizon has a booth there (or Seagull) so i can see one up close. If they have them or are taking orders, My name will be on that list!

Bill