I just ordered my Extra Special 300 Today Tom told me that it is in stock and will ship tommorow. Now I have to go buy my motor and servos. Still haven't decided if I want the G62, DA50, or the Evolution 58. They are all great motors. Alierons and Elevator will be Hitec 5945 running at 6Volt. Rudder I haven't decided on yet. I will run a battery backup, I4C Volt meters, and much more to come. I will post a complete build as it goes. Stay Tuned...... THANKS TOM

What type of flying do you intend to do?

since you are going with hitecs for most of the servos, check out the 5955TG for the rudder. You can't go wrong.

The 5955TG works great for me strong and fast. Gary

Im primairly going to fly pattern and Imac type stuff. I'm still learning about the aerobatics, but I am definitly going with the Hitec 5955 TG for the rudder running at 6V. What do you guys know about Cirrus servos? I don't see much on the forums?

There must be a reason for that....

The G62 will make a great IMAC flyer, If you want to lighten the load a little consider a RCignitions converted G62. Much lighter without the flywheel. You can buy converted G62 direct from him or send yours in for conversion.

Any of the currant crop of 50CC engines will do this plane justice.

Cirrus is a name from waaay back. Mid to late 70's through the 80's. They were originally produced by Futaba, along with the Cirrus 4 and 6 channel radios for the old Hobby Shack chain. They were an excellent product in their time, being just a renamed Futaba radio/servo with slightly different packaging. That was then, this is now, and I don't have a clue as to who they are made by anymore, but I would suspect that nothing has changed. I've used a few of the new Cirrus servos for less demanding work and never had a problem. Best bet would be to contact Hobby People direct and ask who the manufacturer is.

I really enjoyed those radios. High quality that only sacrificed a few of the upper end features to save the modeling public of the time a lot of money.

Pat

So would anyone suggest that I use Cirrus in my new WH Extra?

Servos, receivers, and batteries are never a place to try an save money. Nothing would be more heartbreaking than losing a $1500 plane because I saved $15 on a servo. Stick with the "big three (JR, Futaba, Airtronics)" or Hitec. They probably have better centering and resolution anyhow.

I agree with BTrerry.


Servo's, Rx's, batteries and switches are not the place to save money.

I saw a friend lose one of his models....trying to save a few bucks on an off/on switch.....and it was on the maiden flight just after the model was in the air.

If you watch ServoCity site they have 20% off sales occassionaly. I try to wait for a sale then buy a couple extra servos when they are on sale.

Best of luck

Regards,

Chuck

I just maidened my G-62 powered extra special and there is no shortage of power there. If you go this route, you will have to shift all weight towards the tail and lighten the nose as much as you can to keep from adding extra ballast for a proper CG.

Mike

Right. Keep the weight in the back. I put my receiver batt just in front of the vertical fin. It really made the airplane land slower. You know what I mean? a nose heavy plane just seems to come in hotter. Te TRs becaome less critical too. My Extra Special hovers easily on the G62 with strong, authorative pull out. For IMAC/ precision stuff, that plane can't be beat. Its like the lines it draws are just straighter somehow. When you do a point roll it seems as though each point fits into a slot in the sky. I thought I was bored with precision untiol I got the Extra Special. 'can't wait until my new CAP gets here. he he.....
The best part about being an adult is you can afford the toys you want.

Without having any experience with the new high end Cirrus servos there is no information for me to relate regarding quality or accuracy. That's why I did not reply to your query about using them. I use them for planes that do not greatly benefit from the use of higher end digitals, and for smaller glow powered planes in a throttle application.

I agree with he others that you should go with a known quantity with the current major manufacturers. I'm not even going to begin suggesting which one is best. You will get what you pay for. You pay more for a good "digital" servo over the standard "analog", but the difference is well worth the money, IMO.

Well I bought 2 of the Cirrus CDS750/ MG servos to put into one of my glow planes as a tester. I will let everyone know what I think of them. Heres the specs of the servos

Weight 1.93 Ounces
Speed 6.0V .20 Sec/ 60deg 4.8 .23 sec/ 60 deg
Torque 6.0V 143 Oz/ In 4.8 V 127 Oz/ In

They are metal geared and Digital. They are really tight with hardly any play in them. I am really interested to see what happens.

I just heard from someone that bought a WH 33% Extra and they said it was a pile of crap. From what I have heard they are great planes. I hope this guy just got a lemon (unfortuatley)[]. I am really excited to get my plane, I just keep buying stuff (servos, motor, I4C volt meters, battery share, so on and so on) I have heard from one guy with a bad plane and have heard from about 1000 with nothing but good things to say.

Db,
you're gonna love it! Mine is the best plane I own. That's why I bought another one. You know, I used to use those Cirus radios back in the early '80s.. Always worked great for me. I'm pretty much using Hitec for digitals these days. I'm considering the 5955 for the rudder on my CAP.

There's always got to be one in every bunch. OTH, I've seen many a plane that the owner said was next to worthless and after a little work correcting installation errors and replacing garbage equipment that same plane turned out to be awesome.

My personal experience with W/H planes, which is extensive, tells me that if you do the things you are supposed to do the way they should be done, and don't short change on the equipment, you will have an excellent flying plane. More OTH is that if you try to go cheap with second rate second quality products, and pay little, if any, attention to all the set up information that's been provided by hundreds of happy customers, then the short life of an aircraft can be assured. The quality of the flight maneuvers is entirely up to the skill level of the pilot.

Pat

5955 for the Rudder is a great choice. I am probbaly going to use the 5945 for the alierons and elevator, and the 5955 for the rudder. But I am going to try out these Cirrus servos just to see, you can't beat 39.99 for the servo, and the guy at Hobby People said if I dont like it I can return it so what do I have to loose? I konw Im going to love my plane, I can't wait. I wish Tom was close enough where I could just go pick it up. Some of these people that are having the problems may not know how to properly build a plane to begin with. I've looked at WH plane and talked to people who have them, and I know someone who knows Tom and said all of his plane are of high quality.

Silversurfer you are abosuletly correct. Cheap equipment + rushing the assembly = disaster.

Well, the answer to that question is your plane if they don't work, or if they fail on you.

I'm "that one in the bunch". I respect your opinions, Pat, and even sent you an email or two before deciding on the WH 260. The problems I had with mine though began before any assembly or installation took place. They had to do with basic construction and finish. Those were the issues I passed on to DbCoronaFlyer and told him to be sure to check over his plane very carefully. One significant issue with my plane wouldn't have been known if I hadn't ended up stripping the plane, so I'm glad I did. The plane isn't quite finished yet so in my email to DbCoronaFlyer I obviously didn't discuss any sort of flight characteristics. Just because the majority of people may have a positive experience with WH products doesn't mean that when someone doesn't it has to be because the person is inept and so somehow assembled something incorrectly. Every manufacturer produces a lemon from time-to-time. The issue then becomes how the problems associated with the lemon are/aren't resolved.

I'll be using the 3W80, JR receiver, HD extensions, JR HD switches, SWB servo arms, Hitec 5955 servos everywhere except the throttle, etc. That rules out the "cheap equipment" idea. As far as rushed assembly, as discussed above, the problems I experienced started before the assembly.

I've built several aerobatic and warbird kit planes over the years. In 25 years of RC modeling this is only my 2nd ARF. Building a well-finished and good flying warbird like a GS AT6 Texan (with rounded fuselage), retracts, etc. from a kit requires more basic modeling skill than something like the typical Extra, which I've done also. A very experienced local GS modeler has been meticulously assembling the plane while I finished the re-covering. I have every confidence that the plane will be assembled correctly now that the construction shortcomings have been fixed.

The WH 260 owners I contacted prior to purchasing the plane love the flight characteristics of their planes so I'm hoping mine turns out to be a good flier in the end.

Dan

In the original post relating to being crap, I was not aware if the problem was with construction or flight. Usually it's a flight issue and again, usually, it's the set up, not the plane.

I'm sorry to hear that you have issues with your plane, I truly am. By chance, did you relate your concerns to Tom? As a rule, he's pretty good about taking care of things in that area because he's just as aware as everyone else that from time to time things can go wrong.

I remember the e-mails, and it's disturbing that you may have made the decision to get the plane based upon my recommendations, to then end up having a bad experience with it. I truly am sorry to hear that it has not gone as well as we both had anticipated it would have.

I do not, and will not EVER suggest or recommend a plane or product to anyone unless I have absolute faith in both the product AND the manufacturer, and still wont. I strongly believe that Wild Hare makes and distributes a high quality product at a reasonable price. Unfortunately a bad one may have reached the market without being caught in time.

Pat

My intentions were not to offend anyone, and I did state that the gentleman probbaly got a lemon(just like what happens with cars) I have heard nothing but wonderful things with WH planes. Also from what I have heard Tom takes care of the problems right away. I read in another post that the guy messed up the wings and Tom sent him a new set free of charge. I did not want this post to become a complaint section. This is my build thread so from this point on I would like to keep this strictly to a build post of my new 28% Extra.

On another note I purchased a Zenoah G62 with the electronic ignition and the pitts style muffler right here on RCU for 325.00. It only had 2 tanks of gas ran through it (so its practically new) The guy told me that if there is something wrong with it I can return it and he will refund my money. I can't lose on this deal. My plane shipped and it will be here on the 22nd of Feb. I can't wait to open the box.

Multiple times because there were numerous problems. I'll just say that the responses have made me swear I'll never purchase a 2nd WH plane. So much for buying the big Cap like I had once planned. The reason I felt compelled to initially send DbCoronaFlyer an email and then to respond here in the thread is because I've followed the WH threads for a long time and more than once seen someone ask for input regarding quality. If someone posts something that isn't complimentary to their particular plane it seems that people usually try to squelch it quickly or make it out to be that it's impossible for any specific WH plane to be substandard, or a threat is made to shutdown the WH forum all together. I just think that potential purchasers of any product should have access to both sides of previous customers' experiences. If they still decide to make the purchase, more power to 'em. But at least that way they will be making a more fully informed decision and know the possible downside(s).

I certainly don't blame you or anyone else I contacted prior to purchase. I respect your opinion/insights the same now as before.

Dan