New WH 40% Extra in the works?
 

Tom,
Heard you was at the South Central Regional IMAC Championships. Also heard through some of the guys you have plans to build a 40% extra? Sure hope Im hearing right. I love my 2 bunnies , the edge and the extra 300lx. So whats the scoop? LOL The bunny loves have enquring minds :D:D:D
MC

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Well, there are actually 2 new 40% Extras on the way.

The first is an all composite Extra 260, 121" wingspan. This plane was designed/spec'd by Bill Hempel as a word class competition aircraft. The plugs are finished and molds are being made as this is written. This will be fairly expensive, competitive with the CA 40% planes in price, superior in flying.

The second is a balsa/ply ARF, same dimensions as the 260 above, but will be configured as a Extra 300. This plane is a conventional ARF and will be reasonably priced (compared to the composites at least). It will use all the same dimensions and airfoils so should fly the same.

TF

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Ball park prices?

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Composite 260 -- $2400

Built-up Extra 300 -- $1300

These are estimates but will be close.

TF

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WOW, I think I know my next plane..... 1300$ for a 40% AWSOME! I want!

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Tom,
Will the composite 260 have the scale elevators or the counter balances on the stabs? Are you going to do another color scheme contest? If not when can we see the color schemes. :D

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Jecarte,
Life is good after the move if your looking at a 40%. Yes, we're watching....

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You got to admit a composite Wildhare is like having your cake and eating it too. I'm glad to see you're keep up, good to hear from you, is the D&H ready to go? Send some pics she will be sweet. ;)

The sad part about moving is I haven't flow since I left, my flight sim is down due to a bad interface cord, and the company that repairs them is in South Florida (no electricity due to storm). Hopefully I'm flying tomorrow, joined the new club this weekend, but I hear there are no IMAC flyiers, I guess I'll have to truck a caller down from the Northeast. :)

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The composite 260 will have two kinds of stabs available. One set with counterbalances is for 3d/freestyle. The other scale set is for precision flying.

I expect competition flyers to select the set that is needed for the next flight.

I'm nowhere near choosing a scheme, the prototype will be in the Patty Wagstaff blue most likely.

TF

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What's D&H?

TF

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Sorry Tom I was chatting with ernie58 and I ment to say DR hobbies 2.6 composite, he bought one and I was wondering the progress.

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Tom,
On the 40% built-up Extra 300 will you be using a foam core or build up wing?

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The initial planes will have built-up wings which are lighter. Depending on the total weight, I may choose to go to the stronger foam wings if the built-up wings display any problems, but they have been very good so far.

When I say initial planes, I am getting 5 prototypes for testing. Two will be assembled locally, one is going to Bill Hempel, and I will have two others that need homes. I'm looking for two experienced people who will put the plane together and test fly and provide feedback to me. They are not for review, that can come later, these are prototypes and will almost certainly have things that need to be changed.

Some skill will be required. Anyone who thinks they might like to take this on please call me at 817-490-1210. Must have all the other parts, servos, 150cc engine, appropriate radio gear, etc.

No whining will be allowed, they are untested airplanes, anything can happen.

TF

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Tom,
I'd be pleased to test one if possible.
Will call you this morning and get details.

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Anyone got a 150cc engine and radio I can borrow!?:D:)

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See that's the problem. 150cc engine, 14 top quality servos, power box, etc. are a little pricey.

The good news is once you have the stuff the plane itself isn't all that expensive and should last for years, but the expense still narrows the market somewhat.

TF

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Tom, It's been a few months since the last post on this thread. Any update on the wooden 40% Extra 300?

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Yes. The 5 samples will be in the container with the Yaks and Caps. It's due to leave China about Jan. 10.

Actually the Extras are what has caused the shipment to be delayed a bit.

Here's another bit of info. We are not only making a 41% scale Extra 300, but we are making a smaller one as well, 84" span. This new 84" Extra incorporates many features that people have requested.

It's lighter, it's much more scale (almost exact scale), it has larger control surfaces, lighter wings, more space in the cowl, and should be stiffer in the fuselage. It is also exceptionally good looking.

Based on what I am seeing with the new 84" Extra, I don't think it will take long to get either the 28% or the 41% planes into production.


TF

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Tom, thats a beautiful looking plane. I'm thinking of the 260, but that looks a tad nicer, IMHO.

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Tom, I have a DA 150 and a radio setup (9cap and hitec 5955s). I dont know if your still looking somone to thrash on one of these monsters. I have the Extra 300lx 28% and a Extra 260 33%, I wouldnt mind adding this to the collection if it can hold up to some abuse of 3D. I talk to you alot and patty, and youve seen my vids, its up to you I could have it ready to fly in about a week, I am a paramedic and work nights so I can assemble it in no time. I also have a trailer with a spot still open for a new plane so, Let me know, Thanks, Derek Rousseau.

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Right now they are all spoken for. If that changes I may be in touch.

TF

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any more progress on the 40%s?

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You mean since a few days ago when I posted that the prototypes would be in the container which was about to leave?

The container is on the way, nothing else will change for at least a month. We're looking at mid-May to get production airplanes.

Believe me there is a lot of interest and we're pushing hard to get them done.

TF

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I like the new Extra 300, got an estimated price?

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sorry, I didn't mean for it to sound like that.....

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I should not have snapped, it's just that sometimes people don't read and end up asking the same question over and over.

I'm thinking the all wood 41% Extra 300 will be around $1,395 and will cost about $100 to ship.

There is also a composite 260 that will be around $2,400.

TF

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Is the 84" Extra 300 going to be $399 like the rest?

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I would love to put my hands on one of those 84' extras and $399 sounds very well

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The new one costs me a little more so it will cost a little more, probably like $439. It should be worth the extra few bucks.

I just finished the prototype. Ready t fly it weighs exactly 16 pounds. That includes 2 2400 LI-ion battery packs on Rx with regulators, a 730mah pack for the ignition, DA-50, Bisson wraparound muffler, standard hardware kit, etc. The canopy on this one is made of thick material, I think we can save a couple ounces there. Also we'll have a CF wing tube available as a $25 option.

It will also come with a standardized method of installing a canister or tuned pipe. We'll supply a platform to relocate the fuel tank and make a tunnel and it will be clear for a long distance inside.

TF

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Anyone interested in the 40% Extras? The 5 prototypes are onthe way. Here are a couple photos to tease you guys.

TF

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Tom, I really like the scheme on the picture of the prototype. Are you going to produce that same covering? If you do, put me down for one

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Will you be able to put an engine like the G62 in the new Extra 300 84"? In other words, can you still put the servos in the tail?

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those look good Tom.

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Tom, I got a DA150 looking for a home when you wanna give up a prototype for testing! I will make sure it can handle the 3D...Let me know, I need to oreder a reciever and 2 more 5955s for it.

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Yes, absolutely you can mount the servos in the tail.

And yes I plan to use the scheme shownonthenew 84" Extras.With a little luck it will maiden today.

TF

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Hi Tom. What is the length of the 40% Extra 300 from spinner to rudder? I have about 110" in my 6 x 10' trailer. Would it fit?

Bobby

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Wow they do look really good :) The quality seems to be even better. I like the scheme as well.

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So, where is a pic of the scheme on the new 84" Extras? Is that it in post #18?

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107" rudder to cowl face. If you have 110" it should fit with the spinner off with about an inch to spare.

TF

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The 84" Extra 300 will be about $439. I wanted to keep it at $399 but they cost me more and I could not hold that price any longer.

Today was the maiden for the prototype.

It was set up as follows;

Hitec 5945s on ele/ail, 5955TG on rudder. DA-50, Bisson wraparound muffler, all standard hardware kit stuff, foam wheels from kit, Mejzlik 22-10 prop, Dave Brown 4" spinner, 2x 2400 liion battery packs with 6.0v regulators, dual switches, single receiver

All up weight ready to fly was 15 pounds, 14 oz. You heard that right, under 16 lbs with no real lightening efforts. Still room to save a few more ounces with a CF wing tube and thinner canopy. The canopy in this one weighs about a half pound.

There's not much other room to cut weight, maybe a single battery pack. The gear is already very thin.

The original Extras fly great, this one is a step up. It will do a blender so tight it's turning in its own wing span, and it will start climbing with very little effort. Elevators are rock solid with no wing rock at all. You can drive it around in a harrier all day with just rudder.

It's also a great IMAC plane, tracks straight and true. We did a few hammerheads with it, then we came very close to turning a happerhead into a pinwheel, I think it will do this with a bit more practice.

FYI this is the exact same plane as the 41%, just scaled down. With a DA-50 it had way plenty of power (as you might expect with the plane under 16 lbs). It was a little tail heavy with batteries back by the receiver. I'll move them up front next, we had to add 4 oz. to the nose of the DA50 to get it to neutral. It will probably be OK with Rx. batteries in front and a bigger ignition battery.

Stay tuned, this plane is really excellent and we will get it into production asap.

TF