Bling 3D 50cc ARF
11-15-2006, 11:47 AM
#26
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
A single 8411 on the rudder, just as I said in my post.
BTW, your Brilelli engine has a side mounted carb, unlike the DA50's rear mounted one.
The carb will stick way out of the cowl.
The side mounted muffler will also stick out the other side of the very narrow cowl.
Lots of cutting to do there.
BTW, your Brilelli engine has a side mounted carb, unlike the DA50's rear mounted one.
The carb will stick way out of the cowl.
The side mounted muffler will also stick out the other side of the very narrow cowl.
Lots of cutting to do there.
11-15-2006, 11:58 AM
#27
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
Dick,
Thanks for clearing up the question on the servo's. The manal says 9 servo's total. That is why I thought it needed 2 servo's for the rudder. 4 servo's ailerons, 2 servo's elevator 1 servo rudder, and 1 servo throttle that makes for a total of 8 servo's. I went to the seagull wed page and they call the Bling 50 a Harrier 50 and it says only 8 servo's on their web page. So 8 servo's it will be.
You are right about the carb on the Brillelli. I will have to do some cutting on the cowl and I am a little worried about that part. The cowl looks to be very narrow. I am getting a Pitts style muffler fot the Brillelli, that will help some.
Thanks for clearing up the question on the servo's. The manal says 9 servo's total. That is why I thought it needed 2 servo's for the rudder. 4 servo's ailerons, 2 servo's elevator 1 servo rudder, and 1 servo throttle that makes for a total of 8 servo's. I went to the seagull wed page and they call the Bling 50 a Harrier 50 and it says only 8 servo's on their web page. So 8 servo's it will be.
You are right about the carb on the Brillelli. I will have to do some cutting on the cowl and I am a little worried about that part. The cowl looks to be very narrow. I am getting a Pitts style muffler fot the Brillelli, that will help some.
11-15-2006, 12:05 PM
#28
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
The cowl is the same width as the fuselage, a little more than 5" wide.
The photo shows a DA-50 with Pitts muffler installed and there's a hole cut in the cowl for the muffler's chamber .
Thats how narrow the cowl is.
The DA50 may weigh 8 to 10 ounces less that your Brillelli engine.
My Evolution 45GX2 weighs about 60 ounces with muffler, ignition, spark plug, standoffs and prop attachment hardware.
With a 22-8 APC, my digital fish scale registers almost 26 pounds of pull.
Did you know that some engine sellers list the weight of their engines without a spark plug or a prop nut?
It all has to fly and it all adds to the overall weight of the engine .
The photo shows a DA-50 with Pitts muffler installed and there's a hole cut in the cowl for the muffler's chamber .
Thats how narrow the cowl is.
The DA50 may weigh 8 to 10 ounces less that your Brillelli engine.
My Evolution 45GX2 weighs about 60 ounces with muffler, ignition, spark plug, standoffs and prop attachment hardware.
With a 22-8 APC, my digital fish scale registers almost 26 pounds of pull.
Did you know that some engine sellers list the weight of their engines without a spark plug or a prop nut?
It all has to fly and it all adds to the overall weight of the engine .
11-15-2006, 12:20 PM
#29
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
Dick,
Thanks for the up date on the weight of your engine, my Brillelli 366GT with pitts muffler weigh's 7 oz more than a DA-50 with pitts muffler. Aerobob has a web page so you can compare all of the 50cc size engines. Your Evo 45 is not listed, but I know he will be more than glad to add it because it is surely a 50 class engine. The page has weights&prices on just about all of the poplar engine in the 50cc class. It is a very good source to compare 50cc class engines.
Here is the web site if you would like to take a look see.
http://www.rcaerobats.net/GAS_ENGINE...ENGINE_WTS.htm
Thanks for the up date on the weight of your engine, my Brillelli 366GT with pitts muffler weigh's 7 oz more than a DA-50 with pitts muffler. Aerobob has a web page so you can compare all of the 50cc size engines. Your Evo 45 is not listed, but I know he will be more than glad to add it because it is surely a 50 class engine. The page has weights&prices on just about all of the poplar engine in the 50cc class. It is a very good source to compare 50cc class engines.
Here is the web site if you would like to take a look see.
http://www.rcaerobats.net/GAS_ENGINE...ENGINE_WTS.htm
11-16-2006, 09:43 AM
#32
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
Thanks guy's for this great info on the Hitec 475's. I have my Bling on order and it should be here by Monday. I have decided to install JR 9411's for the ailerons. I have them in another plane that does not need that good of a servo. I'll put my Hitec 475's in it. I will then use two Futaba 9202's on the elevator and a JR ST-125 for the rudder. That will give me 98oz servo's for the aileron's, 98oz servo's for the elevator and 143oz on the rudder. I will power the servo's and JR PCM receiver with a 2000mah 6v nimh battery. I will also use a Hitec 475 on the throttle. This makes for a total of 8 servo's.
11-18-2006, 01:18 AM
#33
My Feedback: (8)
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Redmond,
WA
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
My "Bling" came out at 14.75 pounds on my old postal scale with an Evolution 45 mag, 8 servos (one on rudder), 2400 ma nicad for the receiver, 1200 ma nicad for the engine. I have only flown it 3 times because of the weather, but can say that it is an excellent 3D'r as equipped. I used 4 aileron servos as the build is very light, and would be careful of aileron flex. When I get to fly it some more, I will post the results. I did change the tail wheel assy. and added larger main wheels as I prefer the stronger items that are available. You will like this airplane.
11-18-2006, 10:38 AM
#34
Member
My Feedback: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Acworth,
GA
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
Just picked mine up yesterday, everything weighs 6.58 lbs. and that was leaving the cowl hardware wing tubes, and canopy in the plastic bags. I'm putting my FOX 3.2, and 5645's everywhere. 3 TBM 2800 Li-ion with regulators. VESS 23A prop.
11-23-2006, 07:27 AM
#36
Member
My Feedback: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Acworth,
GA
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
I called Horizon yesterday because i was at that point. They said a little right thrust was built into the firewall, I think it's less then 1 deg. After mounting my engine I looked down the Fuse and there is some right thrust.
11-30-2006, 07:21 PM
#38
My Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Jackson,
MS
Posts: 538
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
I have just finished my Bling with a DA50 on it. I put my receiver, batteries, etc per the plans. A friend and I tried checking the CG by putting a finger under each wing. It was extremely tail heavy. What I would like to know is how do you accurately check the CG on a large model? I can't believe it is this much out of balance as the plane was designed for the DA. If the method I used is okay is it possible the CG on the plans is wrong?
Thanks for any help.
Hal
Thanks for any help.
Hal
12-01-2006, 10:15 AM
#40
Member
My Feedback: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Acworth,
GA
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
I just finished mine 14.3lbs. I didn't use the stock gear, to short, not much clearance for a 23" VESS prop.
www.rcsupergear.com makes a gear for the Chip Hide Double Vision and is a perfect fit for the Bling. The Bling now has an extra 2" of clearance, and looks great. This gear is the best looking CF i've ever seen,and much stronger then Graph Tech. Check it out!
www.rcsupergear.com makes a gear for the Chip Hide Double Vision and is a perfect fit for the Bling. The Bling now has an extra 2" of clearance, and looks great. This gear is the best looking CF i've ever seen,and much stronger then Graph Tech. Check it out!
12-01-2006, 03:13 PM
#41
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Gulf Breeze ,
FL
Posts: 711
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
This is the slowest RCU thread ever.[:@]
Almost 2 months since it started and no real flight report. No Video?
Is this plane going to be an all-out 3D monster or a sheep.
My DA 50 is sitting in a box getting cold.[&o]
Almost 2 months since it started and no real flight report. No Video?
Is this plane going to be an all-out 3D monster or a sheep.
My DA 50 is sitting in a box getting cold.[&o]
12-01-2006, 04:01 PM
#42
Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Keene,
NH
Posts: 43
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
Here's a link to the video on Seagull's site, not very good but it's something to look at...... They're calling it the Harrier 50cc instead of the Bling.
http://www.seagullmodels.com/harrier%2050cc.wmv
http://www.seagullmodels.com/harrier%2050cc.wmv
12-02-2006, 11:41 AM
#44
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
I to almost did'nt get this plane because of the video, but I am glad I did. I seems to be put together very well. I will have to wait until after the holidays to put it together now. I am hope someone will do another video of how this planes fly's. The one at Seagull I fell does not do it any justus.
12-03-2006, 11:43 AM
#45
My Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Jackson,
MS
Posts: 538
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
Dick
I did shift everything forward as far as possible but it still seems to be way out of balance. I can't belive it would be that far out since it was designed for the DA50. Could the CG on the plans be wrong? I can balance my .40 size planes with a balancing machine but I don't have anything for the larger one.
Is there anything out there I could use to balance a big plane?
Thanks.
Hal
I did shift everything forward as far as possible but it still seems to be way out of balance. I can't belive it would be that far out since it was designed for the DA50. Could the CG on the plans be wrong? I can balance my .40 size planes with a balancing machine but I don't have anything for the larger one.
Is there anything out there I could use to balance a big plane?
Thanks.
Hal
12-03-2006, 12:57 PM
#46
Senior Member
My Feedback: (23)
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
It is very possible that the plans are either incorrect or very conservative in the cg location. Fun fly planes generally balance well behind where a conventional aerobatic aircraft would balance.
You should be balancing somewhere around an inch past the thickest part of root rib.
You should be balancing somewhere around an inch past the thickest part of root rib.
12-04-2006, 10:43 AM
#48
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Gulf Breeze ,
FL
Posts: 711
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
ORIGINAL: H.Dale
Is there anything out there I could use to balance a big plane?
Thanks.
Is there anything out there I could use to balance a big plane?
Thanks.
If you want to second guesss the instructions start at 30% back of the total cord (wing + alerions).
12-04-2006, 09:02 PM
#49
Member
My Feedback: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Acworth,
GA
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
The CG is on the money. I flew mine on Sunday and was like flying a feather. This is a great aircraft. You should all get rid of that split gear and get Supergear for it. The gear that they make for the CH Double Vision fits great.
www.rcsupergear.com
I punch a hole through the Fuse at the CG Be sure you get some plywood. Using a short piece of PVC pipe, drill two holes through the pipe 6" apart, thats the width of the fuse. bend the ends of some pushrod materal, 4-40 rod, about 1/2" one for each side, and put the other end through the two holes in the PVC and bend those ends as well. put the half inch bends through the two holes you drilled in the fuse. Put the wings on and slids them up agenst the rods so that thay won't come out. Pick the plane up with the PVC handle and thats how I locate the CG on my airplanes
www.rcsupergear.com
I punch a hole through the Fuse at the CG Be sure you get some plywood. Using a short piece of PVC pipe, drill two holes through the pipe 6" apart, thats the width of the fuse. bend the ends of some pushrod materal, 4-40 rod, about 1/2" one for each side, and put the other end through the two holes in the PVC and bend those ends as well. put the half inch bends through the two holes you drilled in the fuse. Put the wings on and slids them up agenst the rods so that thay won't come out. Pick the plane up with the PVC handle and thats how I locate the CG on my airplanes
12-04-2006, 09:14 PM
#50
My Feedback: (512)
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Zebulon,
NC
Posts: 493
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Bling 3D 50cc ARF
Did you use the stock hardware in the kit?
ORIGINAL: sergeflavigne
The CG is on the money. I flew mine on Sunday and was like flying a feather. This is a great aircraft. You should all get rid of that split gear and get Supergear for it. The gear that they make for the CH Double Vision fits great.
www.rcsupergear.com
I punch a hole through the Fuse at the CG Be sure you get some plywood. Using a short piece of PVC pipe, drill two holes through the pipe 6" apart, thats the width of the fuse. bend the ends of some pushrod materal, 4-40 rod, about 1/2" one for each side, and put the other end through the two holes in the PVC and bend those ends as well. put the half inch bends through the two holes you drilled in the fuse. Put the wings on and slids them up agenst the rods so that thay won't come out. Pick the plane up with the PVC handle and thats how I locate the CG on my airplanes
The CG is on the money. I flew mine on Sunday and was like flying a feather. This is a great aircraft. You should all get rid of that split gear and get Supergear for it. The gear that they make for the CH Double Vision fits great.
www.rcsupergear.com
I punch a hole through the Fuse at the CG Be sure you get some plywood. Using a short piece of PVC pipe, drill two holes through the pipe 6" apart, thats the width of the fuse. bend the ends of some pushrod materal, 4-40 rod, about 1/2" one for each side, and put the other end through the two holes in the PVC and bend those ends as well. put the half inch bends through the two holes you drilled in the fuse. Put the wings on and slids them up agenst the rods so that thay won't come out. Pick the plane up with the PVC handle and thats how I locate the CG on my airplanes