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Old 02-24-2016, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rcmiket View Post
I think that the 16,000 number is really pushing but if you insist. I got my money on 500.

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how about between 300 and 16,000? Split to difference? Ha!

Are the projected numbers puffed up...sure, probably. Build excitement, make it seem bigger than it is, it's all about promotion I'm sure. Had to chuckle when I looked at the "world class pilots" that were slated to fly, I think they listed 4. Impressive!

The whole organized racing this is still in it's infancy, but it's probably the biggest growth segment of this hobby right now (other than the dreaded foamies) and other than the big name fly ins that we all know about, I don't see anything else bringing in these amount of people. Even if you knock it down to several thousand, those are still big numbers for a two day event.

Chances are they got that number from somewhere, it's an odd number to just put out there. Also, they secured that location for two days. I know you are trying to minimize the attendance...but did you see how big that place is? As the Donald would say...it's uuuuuuuuuge. Also, about 10k to rent it out. Unless the attendees are forking out a few hundred dollars for landing fees, I'd say your prediction might be off. Perhaps they'll have coverage of the event.

I watched a much smaller event last year at the NEAT fair, they had a section set up just for FPV racing, part of a quarry actually. Meh...wasn't that interesting to watch. Like trying to follow big flies. Much easier to watch the fixed wing stuff fly. And all nice and quite electric stuff!
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Originally Posted by Rob2160 View Post
Hi Radioman, I understand your comment but I am in the USA right now and have been for a month. I will be here for another month and make several extended trips to the USA each year.

My job is flying an N registered jet internationally with an FAA ATP licence. So I have a very strong interest and 'stake' in what the FAA is doing.

I also have an Australian Commercial UAV licence and will get the FAA equivalent later this year.

Yes our gun laws tightened up since the Port Arthur shooting but I still have several rifles shotguns and handguns. It's no problem at all owning a gun in Australia if you want one.

Ya...but do you have one of these?

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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
Ya...but do you have one of these?

I used to but gave it to my nephew for his 7th birthday...
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Originally Posted by Rob2160 View Post
I used to but gave it to my nephew for his 7th birthday...
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Old 02-24-2016, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob2160 View Post
Hi Radioman, I understand your comment but I am in the USA right now and have been for a month. I will be here for another month and make several extended trips to the USA each year. I usually bring something RC to fly while here and registered via the FAA site.

My job is flying an N registered jet internationally with an FAA ATP licence. So I have a very strong interest and 'stake' in what the FAA is doing.

I also have an Australian Commercial UAV licence and will get the FAA equivalent later this year.

Yes our gun laws tightened up since the Port Arthur shooting but I still have several rifles shotguns and handguns. It's no problem at all owning a gun legally in Australia.
rob I did not mean any offense and I,m sorry, the thing is I don't fly at a club field I fly on private property and if just half the crap I read about this deal is true
where someone gets a reward for telling on someone who is flying then I,m sorry but that is BS
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Originally Posted by Rob2160 View Post
I used to but gave it to my nephew for his 7th birthday...
I bet he loved it!
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Old 02-24-2016, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by radioman View Post
rob I did not mean any offense and I,m sorry, the thing is I don't fly at a club field I fly on private property and if just half the crap I read about this deal is true
where someone gets a reward for telling on someone who is flying then I,m sorry but that is BS
No offense at all and no need to apologise. I agree with you on that point, it is BS if there is a reward system. Clearly you have been flying responsibly for many years and its great to have private property to fly on. I wish I did too.

Nobody wanted this registration process but if it gives the FAA more power against the idiots who fly irresponsibly then I understand it completely.

If your flying location is more than 5 miles from an airport and you are flying responsibly you have absolutely nothing to worry about. The FAA likely does not care about people flying on private property and within their safety guidelines.

I do respect standing up for one's rights but this registration process is "small". It is a minor inconvenience to the responsible flyers, nothing more.

If the FAA ever tries to ban RC altogether you can rest assured I will be right beside you fighting for my right to fly.

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Old 02-24-2016, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon View Post
I bet he loved it!
Not as much as the playboy magazines...

I try to be the uncle I always wanted to have...
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Originally Posted by Rob2160 View Post
Not as much as the playboy magazines...

I try to be the uncle I always wanted to have...
I do the same with my Nephew.
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Old 02-24-2016, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob2160 View Post
Hi Radioman, I understand your comment but am in the USA right now and have been for a month. I will be here for another month and make several extended trips to the USA each year. I usually bring something RC to fly while here and registered via the FAA site.

My job is flying an N registered jet internationally with an FAA ATP licence. So I have a very strong interest and 'stake' in what the FAA is doing.

I also have an Australian Commercial UAV licence and will get the FAA equivalent later this year.

Yes our gun laws tightened up since the Port Arthur shooting but I still have several rifles shotguns and handguns. It's no problem at all owning a gun legally in Australia.
I thought the FAA could Register Only Americans or fournier's with a Green Card ...
I don't think U need anything from the FAA to fly anything R/C in the USA that is.
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Old 02-24-2016, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HoundDog View Post
I thought the FAA could Register Only Americans or fournier's with a Green Card ...
I don't think U need anything from the FAA to fly anything R/C in the USA that is.
No I am registered. I had to use a VPN as it would not allow registration from an Aussie IP address and I used a USA prepaid Credit Card. But it was easy enough.

I used a hotel address in Tucson that we regularly stay at. I confirmed this was ok with the FAA UAS team first.

Technically its not registration for me but a "recognition of ownership"

Q11. Are non-U.S. citizens visiting the United States on vacation or for drone competitions required to register?

A. Everyone, including foreign nationals and tourists, who operate a UAS for hobby or recreational purposes outdoors in the U.S. must use the FAA's online registration system. These non-U.S. citizens or non-permanent U.S. residents will receive the same registration certificate as U.S. Citizens or permanent U.S. residents. However, this certificate will function as a "recognition of ownership" document. This document is required by the Department of Transportation for foreign nationals to operate legally in the US.


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Old 02-24-2016, 08:58 PM
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Wrong, he very much has a "stake" in this...he flies in the US, not only the toy planes you are going to be giving up, but also the real deal...big 'ol honkin corporate jets.
He has no stake, in fact Trump may deny his Visa.

That doens't sound right. What I mean is as long as the government has the right to deny his VISA he has no stake.

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Old 02-24-2016, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot View Post
It is not 16,000 all the time, but there are indoor stadiums that easily hold 16,000 people.
True. There has been at least one drone event at The Georgia Dome, which seats over 70,000.

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Originally Posted by TimJ
So instead of taking a brief moment to do the register you would rather let the government win and not fly?

Yeeeeaahhh......That totally makes sense.



Remember last year when I said there should be a web site that anyone buying any flying R/C toy had to take a test to get his Federal number to be prove that they Knew not to fly near airports an the like. Well The feds should hav done that with their Registration (JOKE) process. Proving U know the Rules befor U can buy a dangerous TOY seems like a logical thing doesn't it?
The FAA might argue that they are "educating" everyone that registers by putting a few basic rules on the certificate that the pilot must possess whenever he/she is flying. That said, I agree that an actual exam would do a far better job of educating potential pilots.
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Old 02-24-2016, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot View Post
He has no stake, in fact Trump may deny his Visa.

That doens't sound right. What I mean is as long as the government has the right to deny his VISA he has no stake.
Good point except that will never happen.

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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
how about between 300 and 16,000? Split to difference? Ha!

Are the projected numbers puffed up...sure, probably. Build excitement, make it seem bigger than it is, it's all about promotion I'm sure. Had to chuckle when I looked at the "world class pilots" that were slated to fly, I think they listed 4. Impressive!

The whole organized racing this is still in it's infancy, but it's probably the biggest growth segment of this hobby right now (other than the dreaded foamies) and other than the big name fly ins that we all know about, I don't see anything else bringing in these amount of people. Even if you knock it down to several thousand, those are still big numbers for a two day event.

Chances are they got that number from somewhere, it's an odd number to just put out there. Also, they secured that location for two days. I know you are trying to minimize the attendance...but did you see how big that place is? As the Donald would say...it's uuuuuuuuuge. Also, about 10k to rent it out. Unless the attendees are forking out a few hundred dollars for landing fees, I'd say your prediction might be off. Perhaps they'll have coverage of the event.

I watched a much smaller event last year at the NEAT fair, they had a section set up just for FPV racing, part of a quarry actually. Meh...wasn't that interesting to watch. Like trying to follow big flies. Much easier to watch the fixed wing stuff fly. And all nice and quite electric stuff!
I know your convinced that this whole drone racing deal will be a God sent to the AMA along with the hobby but I just don't see it and I'll explain why. I've followed all the events and the turn out numbers just aren't there. Take the F3expo, it was covered on social media and pictures don't lie. There's the entrants and a whole lot of empty seats. Remember paying attendees foot the bill for any event. Will this one be different? Time will tell. The locals here ( all 8 or 9 of them) that want to drone race bounce from place to place and lack any kind of organization and will not affiliate with either club in town although we offered our sites to them they choose to go their own way. My guess is to avoid club dues and AMA.
Just how will that work? I also believe that if the AMA could show growing membership due to multi rotors they put them out just to prove they were right in courting them.

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Old 02-25-2016, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob2160 View Post
Good point except that won't happen.
Course it won't , you have a job and spend money here .

And , since "the system" just loves foreigners who make & spend money here , money that gets taxed when you make it and taxed when you spend it , but then you don't go tapping into any "social services" later in life , your a net gain for those pullin the country's financial strings ....
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Originally Posted by rcmiket View Post
I know your convinced that this whole drone racing deal will be a God sent to the AMA along with the hobby but I just don't see it and I'll explain why. I've followed all the events and the turn out numbers just aren't there. Take the F3expo, it was covered on social media and pictures don't lie. There's the entrants and a whole lot of empty seats. Remember paying attendees foot the bill for any event. Will this one be different? Time will tell. The locals here ( all 8 or 9 of them) that want to drone race bounce from place to place and lack any kind of organization and will not affiliate with either club in town although we offered our sites to them they choose to go their own way. My guess is to avoid club dues and AMA.
Just how will that work? I also believe that if the AMA could show growing membership due to multi rotors they put them out just to prove they were right in courting them.

Mike
As is typical with all your responses, you expect something to be an instant success the day it is launched with profit and great numbers. The reality is that almost never happens. McDonald's didn't have 10k franchises after their first day in business. The whole MR thing is still relatively new and MR racing is still in its infancy. It will take time to see how it all plays out and if the AMA membership numbers grow which I expect they will. I'd figure at least 3-5 years for the numbers to potentially level off.
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon View Post
As is typical with all your responses, you expect something to be an instant success the day it is launched with profit and great numbers. The reality is that almost never happens. McDonald's didn't have 10k franchises after their first day in business. The whole MR thing is still relatively new and MR racing is still in its infancy. It will take time to see how it all plays out and if the AMA membership numbers grow which I expect they will. I'd figure at least 3-5 years for the numbers to potentially level off.
Chris , you know when it'll REALLY take off ?

You know those "Robot Wars" shows where the Robots knock the crap out of each other with flamethrowers and saws and such ?

Yep ! Once you get it to the level of "Flying Robot Drone Wars" you'll fill stadiums everywhere !
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Originally Posted by init4fun View Post
Course it won't , you have a job and spend money here .

And , since "the system" just loves foreigners who make & spend money here , money that gets taxed when you make it and taxed when you spend it , but then you don't go tapping into any "social services" later in life , your a net gain for those pullin the country's financial strings ....
Right! Ironically any wall that is built wont work with Rob...he'll fly his real jet or quad right over it!
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Originally Posted by init4fun View Post
Chris , you know when it'll REALLY take off ?

You know those "Robot Wars" shows where the Robots knock the crap out of each other with flamethrowers and saws and such ?

Yep ! Once you get it to the level of "Flying Robot Drone Wars" you'll fill stadiums everywhere !
Dude...I love that show. As with most things, the original was much better than the new version. The phony drama sucks...just show me more fights and destruction please.
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Dude...I love that show. As with most things, the original was much better than the new version. The phony drama sucks...just show me more fights and destruction please.
Yep , for real , EVERYONE loves a good Robot fight , and if they were flying robots ? I really think that would make money ...

And yea , most shows have peaked about half a year before they go mainstream . Drama 0 , Flamethrowers 1
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Originally Posted by init4fun View Post
Chris , you know when it'll REALLY take off ?

You know those "Robot Wars" shows where the Robots knock the crap out of each other with flamethrowers and saws and such ?

Yep ! Once you get it to the level of "Flying Robot Drone Wars" you'll fill stadiums everywhere !
Believe it or not, they're doing it already. I've seen it at the past 2-3 Maker Faire events I've attended. Might be more interesting if they were using larger MR aircraft and the enclosed netting was a little larger. Would be really interesting from an FPV perspective as well.

IMHO FPV racing is going to get a lot of attention over the next several years.
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I have question from what I here when you buy a new drone you register it at purchase is that true if so does this apply to airplane kits I'm talking stick build i'm not trying to be a smart ass.I love building so if I build a plane for someone else do I register it or do they I test fly everything I build so if I don't register am I breaking the law
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Drone war videos from Maker Faire:

https://youtu.be/EJ4Fz_m43MM

https://youtu.be/jFiYqVKFJ0U

This one has FPV in it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f-TD23GzkM
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