Allure by Bryan Hebert
03-23-2017, 04:58 AM
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I understand Bryans position. Just yesterday I was told the project I was working on was not what was expected and should be done differently. I was told what was wanted but given no direction. I built what was practical and functional. I had to tear it half apart and rebuild it into a less functional piece that was way more complicated . All this comes from a person that has "vision" but doesn't know how to do anything except gleen ideas from watching TV shows.
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03-23-2017, 07:08 AM
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You're comparing Apples to Kiwis, Ken.
James Danby OWNS that Allure he modified and is free to do with it what he wishes.
If Bryan doesn't want people modifying his "art", then he needs to require all future Allure owners to sign a licensing agreement (I think software guys call it a EULA) prohibiting any modification to his design. Absent that document, every Allure owner is free to do whatever they want with their plane once the check clears and they take delivery.
When you are working on a project for someone else, THAT person owns the materials, your time (since they are paying you), and at the end of the project they own the final product. If you are opposed to what they want or it is beyond your ability to deliver then the proper action is to pack up your tools and go home.
Now where's that F3AUnlimited website so I can order a T-Canalizer for MY Allure? . . .
James Danby OWNS that Allure he modified and is free to do with it what he wishes.
If Bryan doesn't want people modifying his "art", then he needs to require all future Allure owners to sign a licensing agreement (I think software guys call it a EULA) prohibiting any modification to his design. Absent that document, every Allure owner is free to do whatever they want with their plane once the check clears and they take delivery.
When you are working on a project for someone else, THAT person owns the materials, your time (since they are paying you), and at the end of the project they own the final product. If you are opposed to what they want or it is beyond your ability to deliver then the proper action is to pack up your tools and go home.
Now where's that F3AUnlimited website so I can order a T-Canalizer for MY Allure? . . .
I understand Bryans position. Just yesterday I was told the project I was working on was not what was expected and should be done differently. I was told what was wanted but given no direction. I built what was practical and functional. I had to tear it half apart and rebuild it into a less functional piece that was way more complicated . All this comes from a person that has "vision" but doesn't know how to do anything except gleen ideas from watching TV shows.
Ken
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03-23-2017, 07:30 AM
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Nail on the head, Keith!
Mike Hester started out with a Typhoon 2000 (Ron Chidgey's design, and a good one), modified in to the Tempest which evolved into the Black Magic. There's no such thing as perfect... Just an observation.
Lastly, Bryan should be flattered because his design was chosen as the starting point; the best design currently available. I suspect that when all the modification attempts have been tried, if the owner feels any have improved the Allure then he will be happy. Worst case, he tries a bunch of 'stuff' and decides the original design really can't be improved upon. Bryan will be vindicated...
Mike Hester started out with a Typhoon 2000 (Ron Chidgey's design, and a good one), modified in to the Tempest which evolved into the Black Magic. There's no such thing as perfect... Just an observation.
Lastly, Bryan should be flattered because his design was chosen as the starting point; the best design currently available. I suspect that when all the modification attempts have been tried, if the owner feels any have improved the Allure then he will be happy. Worst case, he tries a bunch of 'stuff' and decides the original design really can't be improved upon. Bryan will be vindicated...
03-23-2017, 08:58 AM
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I see your point Keith. My comment is/was not the best example. My apologies. I guess I was trying say when you put your best effort forward and have somebody else step on it you sometimes can take it kind of personal. Maybe still not the best example but I hope you can understand the position.
Ken
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03-23-2017, 12:38 PM
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Everything ordered for my Allure.. Looking forward to the build at the first thing back from Cajun Heli Fest March 25th.
First pattern competition is April 23! Very excited. This is my second ever pattern contest and first ever pattern plane.
I did get to fly the Allure for a couple min. It was incredible!
Very Excited.!
First pattern competition is April 23! Very excited. This is my second ever pattern contest and first ever pattern plane.
I did get to fly the Allure for a couple min. It was incredible!
Very Excited.!
You will love the Allure. I am lucky to have a "previously flown" one and I am looking forward to getting back to flying pattern after many years away from the hobby. Like others have said, it is a fine airplane, don't scrimp on servos or motor. Mike at F3A Unlimited is the go to guy for anything you need. If you ever get up to the Memphis area, look me up.
04-10-2017, 10:46 AM
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For what it's worth, I'm sure Bryan's methods speak for themselves because of the results; his designs are praised far and wide.
Personally, I'm supportive of any and all experimentation people do because it's the only way anybody every learns anything (what I dream about though is someone who knows what they're doing to be given gobs of wind tunnel time to develop data for various designs).
But an individual doing mods or kit bashing to a kit he bought? How else would the kit-basher prove to himself that his own ideas won't improve on the original? Surely Bryan - who his own credit relies on direct experience and never takes anyone else's word for it - can see that this is the only way for the kit-basher to discover from direct experience whether or not his ideas will make an improvement!
Personally, I'm supportive of any and all experimentation people do because it's the only way anybody every learns anything (what I dream about though is someone who knows what they're doing to be given gobs of wind tunnel time to develop data for various designs).
But an individual doing mods or kit bashing to a kit he bought? How else would the kit-basher prove to himself that his own ideas won't improve on the original? Surely Bryan - who his own credit relies on direct experience and never takes anyone else's word for it - can see that this is the only way for the kit-basher to discover from direct experience whether or not his ideas will make an improvement!
04-11-2017, 11:16 PM
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The Allure brigade at the 2017 Trans Tasman Championships at Hawkes Bay, New Zealand. There was actually six Allures at the event including the modified one...
04-16-2017, 02:13 PM
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Yeah great event Ben. The next TT will be in Australia in two years time. The inclusion of A16 was a great move and will help grow the Trans Tasman.
Interestingly, of the six Allures flying at the TT four were Contra powered with the other two powered by a Kontronic Pyro and a Q80.
Cheers,
Jason.
Interestingly, of the six Allures flying at the TT four were Contra powered with the other two powered by a Kontronic Pyro and a Q80.
Cheers,
Jason.
04-23-2017, 10:54 PM
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More progress on the Allure built-up Wings...
The wing tips are now shaped and all the preparation work prior to covering is complete. The only thing left to do is a quick wipe down with a Tac Rag before getting out the covering material. The balsa really comes up nice with the metho and 1200 grit finish sand.
One must NOT forget to cut thy fingernails prior to this process.... 😉
One must NOT forget to cut thy fingernails prior to this process.... 😉
04-25-2017, 01:06 AM
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The Wing Covering Begins...
Starting with the bottom covering first. Same colour scheme as the stabs. I made a few reference marks on the Ailerons and wing panels to help get the alignment right. If you're good at wrapping Christmas presents you should be good at covering... ;-)
Cheers,
Jason.
Cheers,
Jason.
04-25-2017, 03:49 PM
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I looked back through the thread but didn't find any reference to what the metho does to the balsa to give such a nice finish. Would you be so kind to explain please.
Thank you
Ken
Thank you
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04-25-2017, 04:14 PM
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The metho does two things, it makes the balsa fibres stand up and also helps clean the surface. After you hit the balsa with metho it will have a rough feel to it. Once dried out, the sand paper knocks this roughness down. The process is repeated a number of times going down in grade of paper. You're actually taking 2/5ths of stuff all off with each sanding operation.
Cheers,
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04-26-2017, 07:11 PM
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More progress....
I've made a bit more progress on the covering and the tip (hardest bit) has been done. I'm thinking that some sort of template would be good for trimming the tip film to size...
04-28-2017, 05:29 PM
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Hi Ken,
The metho does two things, it makes the balsa fibres stand up and also helps clean the surface. After you hit the balsa with metho it will have a rough feel to it. Once dried out, the sand paper knocks this roughness down. The process is repeated a number of times going down in grade of paper. You're actually taking 2/5ths of stuff all off with each sanding operation.
Cheers,
Jason.
The metho does two things, it makes the balsa fibres stand up and also helps clean the surface. After you hit the balsa with metho it will have a rough feel to it. Once dried out, the sand paper knocks this roughness down. The process is repeated a number of times going down in grade of paper. You're actually taking 2/5ths of stuff all off with each sanding operation.
Cheers,
Jason.
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05-08-2017, 12:53 PM
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Hi Vicente,
No, that weight is minus the CA hinges, Servo, Extension and linkage. I'll be using a standard sized servo (MKS BLS950) and expect RTF weight to come in at around 370-378 grams. If I used something like a HV 747 the weight would be about 20 grams less.
Cheers,
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No, that weight is minus the CA hinges, Servo, Extension and linkage. I'll be using a standard sized servo (MKS BLS950) and expect RTF weight to come in at around 370-378 grams. If I used something like a HV 747 the weight would be about 20 grams less.
Cheers,
Jason.
05-15-2017, 12:45 PM
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On the home stretch now...
I've made some progress over the last few days. The bottom of the last wing panel is now complete and the first two colours of the top are on. The remaining colours should be stuck down tonight.
I had a visitor acompany me last night whilst working. He wasn't much help really. Probably more of an annoyance in fact. He even managed to photo bomb my picture. His name was Louie the fly.... lol
Cheers,
Jason.
I had a visitor acompany me last night whilst working. He wasn't much help really. Probably more of an annoyance in fact. He even managed to photo bomb my picture. His name was Louie the fly.... lol
Cheers,
Jason.