RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Tommy,</p>

  Since it is not my plane, I don't know the exact number of the Scorpion motor.  I will ask the owner for the motor, ESC, Prop and battery details, and get back to you.  It is a very nice power system for this plane.</p>

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Tommy,</p>

  OK here is the information on the Scorpion power system for the Wind 110.  It works really well on this plane.</p>

<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Scorpion motor: S 4025-16 http://www.innov8tivedesigns.com/pro...roducts_id=215
</span></font><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font></p>

<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Speed control: Castle Creation HV85
</span></font>

<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BEC: Western Robotics High Current BEC 45V in  5-6V out 5A-10 A peak http://www.western-robotics.com/herc...-HC_plane.html
</span></font></p>

<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Prop: APC 16x12
</span></font></p>

<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Batteries. Hyperion LVZ 8S (2 x 4S 4500mah 30C)
</span></font></p></p>

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Nice engine but in my opinion the A50-16L is a better match. Reason: even with the A50-16L the plane tends to be tail-heavy. The Hacker weighs 501 grams.

I'm using the Hacker and have the lipo at the most aft-position end built in the receiver in the backside of the fuselage. Am using mini-servo's (S9650, 29 gram) in the tail.

When using that Scorpion Engine, which is 353 grams, it is not unlikely one will need lead to get the CG correct.

Also the Scorpion is high-KV, which means a smaller prop. The wind has a thin wing profile and floats really good. The breaking effect of a 16x12 prop is a lot less than an 18x12.

I wouldn't go with this specific scorpion engine. I think the Hacker is a better match.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

hezik,</p>

 Good advice, I agree with you on the larger prop being better for downline braking.  This plane does fly light, and I didn't notice a need for slower downlines.  His build seems to fly very light, and therefore slow.  He is using a lighter motor, and a BEC instead of a RX pack so the light weight may have something to do with the downline speed.   With the battery setup we were using, we had no problem getting the right CG with the Scorpion.  I don't know  what servos he was using, they were Hitec digitals, but I don't know the model numbers.  </p>

I guess you never know if you would like it better, until you fly it in that configuration, so you may be right about the Hacker setup.  At this point all I know is that his setup seemed to work well.</p>

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

What does his bird weigh?

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

About 8.5 pounds ready to fly, including batteries.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

In that case it isn't that much lighter than mine (8.8 pounds).. and that's including a 5000mAh 8s1p pack. I used light servo's (4x S9650, which weigh 29 grams), a 15 gram regulator and a 800mAh 2s1p receiver battery.

It's personal. I would go with the Hacker :)

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

I have the Hacker in mine but if it ever gives me problems I wouldn't hesitate to put in
a Scorpion motor. I have a Helios pattern ship with a Scorpion 4020-12 and it is a very
sweet motor.....lots of power and very smooth.
I just removed a YS 1.60 DZ from my 2 metership and plan on installing the new F3A
Scorpion motor in it as soon as it's available.

tommy s

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Oh I didn't mean to imply that the Scorpion lacks quality.. I don't own any scorpion engines myself, but I have read very positive things about them.

The reason I would not use the Scorpion is it's low weight (expect CG issues) and it's relatively high KV. If I can chose between swinging a 16x12 prop at high RPM or an 18x12 at lower RPM, I would choose the latter.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

I have seen a set of pictures of the 2m version.. it's GFK and beautifull, but not there are a lot of differences with the 110. The 110 has a forward swept TE on the wing, the 2m version does not, it has a straight TE. It does however have a backward swept horizontal stab TE. Also the wingtips are different, and the rudder has what can be best described as a built-in brake.

Unfortunatelly Sebart didn't chose a wood built version, so the price will be accordingly.. expected pricing at around 1400 euro's.

But she's a real beauty.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Hi
Sounds good. I look forward to seeing some pics of the animal.

M

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/forums/...ind-s-2x2.html

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Hi
Interesting plane, looks like it is all composite with Paint in the mould, so we are not talking mass produced here, possibly made to order. Pretty obviously designed for electric but is it worth the extra money over the Wind 110?
Also I dont think it will be around the 1400 euro mark, That Canopy is a trade mark of Oxai. So I think they will be the people making it so I would expect it will be alot more?

I think Seb has missed the target with this one but time will tell. A reasonably price 2M would have been another Angel S in my opinion and created it's own market.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

The 1400 euro is the price the one who supplied these pictures mentioned.. this will not be an oxai bird.

I do think Sebart should have made a wood-built 2m Wind like the Wind 110, priced at, say, like somewhere between 600~800 euro's. He would have had a total hit then. At 1400 euro's this bird is priced the same as basically all other serious-non-oxai birds. She's still a looker and I'm sure she'll fly nice, but how big is the market for a 1400 euro GFK F3A plane?

Anyways, both the price as the photo's can be considered 'reasonably trustworthy'.

Wether it's worth the 1000 euro's extra compared to a Wind 110? Seeing how good the 110 flies, I don't think you'll get 1000 euro's more of flying performance, however you will get a full fledged 2m GFK F3A contest plane, so I suppose it's worth it to some people. Not to me, though.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

I have an all composite 2 meter ship and also a Wind 110 and I can tell you the 2 meter
does not fly better than the Wind 110. I won't ever spend that kind of money again unless
I win the Lotto or get an inheritance I'm not expecting. I am totally happy with the Wind.
I think sometimes we get caught up in wanting something shiny and new and forget this is
just a hobby. I guess it's OK if you have unlimited funds.

tommy s

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

What composite 2 meter model do you have? What you compare?
I have a professional F3A Angel's Shadow and Wind 110. They fly absolutely on a miscellaneous. I cannot tell that the Wind 110 flies as well as the Angel's Shadow.

PS my Wind on fully standart complectation (whis JR mini servos) is 3800 gramms whis FP Evo Lite V2 4270 mAh 8S1P - it flying good, but it is not my best pattern plane :)

PS2 sorry for my english

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

I was looking around for a nice EP plane to replace my Angel, looking at what is available the Wind seems to be a great choice. Not too big yet not that small to fly. Price seems to be fair too. I am stuck with 5S 4,900 packs ... anyone thinks if they will fit? I noted at the Hacker website that the A50-16L can handle 10S with a 16x8, maybe a 16x10 with some throttle managment ... will that be okay for the Wind when they are recommending an 18x10?

Also, can anyone recommend which Scorpion for 10S? I realise some of you here used the Scorpion, was any mod necessary? Or maybe I should just stick with an 8S set up ...

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

mike fish

I know that there are 2 meter airplanes that fly better than the Wind 110, I just don't think
they fly $2000.00 better. At my level of flying. and a lot of other people I fly with, the Wind is
all the airplane we need. It is an extremely capable airplane and looks good in the air.


tianci,

There is plenty of room for 10s batteries. The 4025 series Scorpions will fit with no modification unless
you want to use a rear motor mount.

tommy s

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

tommy ... what is your opinon about using a 16x10 at higher RPMs? Any theories? Which 4025 Scorpion would be good? Something in the 230-250 KV range? Thanks man! For me the Wind 110 will be more than enough. I am sure my skills are not that well honed yet and also I am not that discerning enough. Hehehehe ...

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

I'm not an electrical expert but I would use a 4025-16 if I was putting a Scorpion
motor in my airplane. I am currently assembling a Helios 90 pattern ship as a back up
for my Wind with a Scorpion 4025-16 motor, Castle HV85 ESC, and 3700mah 8s lipos.
It is the almost the same size as the Wind so I'll have a good comparison in about a week.
I use an APC 18x10e prop on the Wind so I'll try that first on the Helios and see how it works.

tommy s

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Anyone know where I can pick one of these up? Fedon and Sussex are out of stock.

Thanks,

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Tommy ... I checked on the Scorpion 4025 series ... KV is pretty high for 10S, I doubt it can be done. The A50 can handle 10S with a 16x8 though. Just don't wanna 'waste' my 5S packs, I got too many of them to let them sit around. Hmmmm ... wonder what other motor is suitable?

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Hi
took the plunge and bought a Wind 110. I am intending using the stock motor set up of a Hacker A50-16L. Can anyone tell me what prop they are using on this set up.

Mike

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Mike,
18x10e APC with 3700mah 8s batteries.

tommy s

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Same here, APC 18x10.. but larger lipo's, I'm using 8s 5000mAh 25C packs.

Also tried the recommended APC 18x12, but it's to big a load.. the engine gets too hot to be comfortable.

I'm using 5000mAh packs in the aft most position and also have receiver and receiver battery buit in behind the canopy, to get a sufficiently aft CG.