jetster81

Yes but can you beat that turbine sound. And all those batts you have to lug around
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Ah, I forgot. 25litres of kero is almost weightless.

I'm into EDF and Turbines and both are great for me and both have their advantages and disadvantages and i'm not keen on putting either in a Blackhorse airframe.

bluescoobydoo

I think before we say that everything that comes from china is crap we need to see one up close, I have not had any problems with my Blackhorse kits so am I the only one? just because it does not cost 1k+ it does not mean you cannot get as much fun out of it as anything else and it does not mean it will come apart in the air.
people need to remember that cm pro made the boomerangs and they come from china I belive
I cannot wait until the kits manufacturers that have been overcharging us for years finally have some real competition
bring it on is what I say

steve2972

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I`ve had a few Black horse models and have not had any problems.People just like to moan I think! The new Viper looks great and I don`t think its that over priced,but will pass judgement when I actually see one!!

Jetflyer3000

I think they are available to buy now. Might get to see one at the Nats if we are lucky

steve2972

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I think mid September but may be wrong!

siclick33

There's at least one for sale in the UK already. I've only briefly seen it but didn't look too far as i didn't realise that the fuselage was wood. That isn't necessarily a problem but I was expecting a glass fuselage.

Henke Torphammar

An update to this model. I used to share your opinion about Black Horse, but this one was a plesant surprise. At first glance it seems smaller then the current benchmark, the Taft Viperjet. Looking closer it's actually quite a bit larger and the smaller wingspan is due to the lack of winglets. It's a good 4" longer!


It's all wood and looks good. The struts provided actually looks good too and the suspention works without any metal to metal feel as all other China struts have. Not Tamjet standard, but way better then we use to see. It features wheel wells of vaccum formed plastic which are perfect to prevent FOD.


The larger size makes it a perfect turbine convertion where the larger and heavier P20 fits well too. ...or the rumored micro turbines comeing that weighs in at about 15oz with a thrust of about 7lb.


I put all parts on a scale to sum up the weights for you.


Wings 380g
Fuse 944g
Stab/rudder/wingspars 180g
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1504g


Struts 260gram (all 3 pcs with wheels)
Electric retract units 67g(x3)
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1965grams


To compare to the benchmark Taft Viperjet weighing in at 1705grams with the much needed Tamjet struts and larger wheels.


With my experience I predict this one to have a dry weight of 6.6lb/3kg with a Kolibri turbine.


Please note that some pics feature the Taft Viperjet as compartion and the Taft weight is w/o fin.


To sum it up, I was wrong about this one! I'm willing to try this one next.

DominicM

Thanks Henke. Looking forward to more info on first flights.

alasdair

Yes, thanks for the info Kenke

I admit I am a bit underwhelmed by the news. It is only a small, film covered, wooden ARF for EDF.
At the price quoted it seems extremely expensive as the retracts are not included.

Maybe that price include the EDF unit??

If not, the 1370mm span Hobbyking one looks far better value. Still not my scene anyway.
Wake me again when they do something suitable for a Jubilee 80

Henke Torphammar

Again from my experience in flying these kind of planes do not compare this one to the Hobbyking one. I have pushed Hobbyking to present empty weights of their kits, so now we know their Viperjet is 1250mm long, 1370mm span with winglets and weighs 2170grams empty. The Black Horse one 1350mm long 1400mm without winglets and over 200grams lighter. Larger and lighter usually is better.

As for the price I won't comment. I don't even know the retail of the Black Horse, I only went through the box making a mini review of the unboxing :-) Only thing a know about price is that even if the HK one were $15 it would not be good value for the money as it won't fly very well.

Henke Torphammar

I have yet to decide if I will choose another Viperjet or go with the BD5-J or their larger L39. Time will tell

http://blackhorsemodel.com.vn/?product=l-39-albatros

steve2972

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Well said Henke,agree with you on this
What re-tracts will you use and are you fitting the P20?

Henke Torphammar

Thanks!

It's preparded for the standard small plastic retract units found under many brands. Habu 32 uses them too.

I'm sure this one will do well on a P20, but I fly the other brand of micro turbine

steve2972

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Nice!
Please post your build as you go along!

Jetflyer3000

Nice to see on of the main stream manufacturers making Jets

Shaun Evans

Is ET gonna do jets that are better?

steve2972

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Henke,
I`ve just ordered one of these Vipers,In your opinion would a P20 be sufficient power for grass take off? 5.2lb thrust on a 7-8lb airframe is ok?

steve2972

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Received my Black Horse Viper a couple of weeks back.Very impressed with the quality of the build.

J.F

Anyone flown one yet?

JohnMac

Yeah, I like to moan. I bought a BH Westland Wyvern and then took it back to my LMS for a moan. I was being pedantic, you know, splitting hairs. It was just that the wings did not fit the fuselage. Otherwise it was fine.
John

cosmo21

Yeah mate, I flown mine a lot now. Very nice little Jet.
Pleasently surprised by the size, build and weight. I'm using an 8s Wemo system. Flys almost as fast as my 8s Habu. But much slower landings. I got a Jet Legend Viper, and this little one flys similar, but lighter. Good on grass field op's too. The oleos work nicely.

Matt

3dean

a 90mm edf is not a jet

cosmo21

Lighten up mate.
The fella was asking if any one has flown, I have.

I will rephrase just to saifisfy you. Very nice little EDF, Happy?

BTW, sorry about your cricket team.....hahaha

MH

3dean

thread title is " black horse now producing jets" a 90 mm electric ducted fan has no place here

were you charging your batterys while watching the cricket?

Henke Torphammar

The forum is to "Discuss RC jets in this forum plus rc turbines and ducted fan power systems". Also this is a perfect turbine jet. So you are wrong at it times 2.