Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
07-12-2008, 05:20 PM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
Just email Scott and explain that you need another one.. I am sure he will be happy to put on in the mail to you.
Every engine is run in the shop to make sure everything is good and that's about it. I know he does like to tach them to make sure they are performaing properly and thats about it. The only engine that doesnt always get run is the 46, he has sold so many and ran so many they rarely have any issues.
Every engine is run in the shop to make sure everything is good and that's about it. I know he does like to tach them to make sure they are performaing properly and thats about it. The only engine that doesnt always get run is the 46, he has sold so many and ran so many they rarely have any issues.
07-15-2008, 03:40 PM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
ORIGINAL: Waggs
I believe I have uncovered the cause of my starting woes.
With everything that I have tried, I was still bothered by one factor. When propping the engine, watching the piston near TDC, and watching the magnet pass the sensor, I could not get ANY kind of sensation from the engine (I did have a firm grasp on the prop). Even after squirting gas in the carb and/or exhaust port I got absolutely no kick what so ever. So I began to wonder if the piston ring was tapered and installed incorrectly, and that wonderment lead to my uncovering a stuck piston ring.
I used an exacto knife between the piston and ring in an attempt to remove the ring in one piece but the ring had other ideas. The small piece required some careful picking to be removed it was that stuck. Not sure where the crud came from. Keep in mind that this engine has not run in my presence.
The ring photo has been has been enhanced to show the deposit on the ring.
This explains quite a few symptoms:
1) Comments by more knowledgeable club members about compression
2) No kick on compression stroke
3) The wheezing of the engine when propping
4) Weak to no fuel draw
5) And obviously no start
So, the question now becomes, does anybody have a part number to replace this? Or even a make/model number for the cyl/piston assembly?
Thanks.
I believe I have uncovered the cause of my starting woes.
With everything that I have tried, I was still bothered by one factor. When propping the engine, watching the piston near TDC, and watching the magnet pass the sensor, I could not get ANY kind of sensation from the engine (I did have a firm grasp on the prop). Even after squirting gas in the carb and/or exhaust port I got absolutely no kick what so ever. So I began to wonder if the piston ring was tapered and installed incorrectly, and that wonderment lead to my uncovering a stuck piston ring.
I used an exacto knife between the piston and ring in an attempt to remove the ring in one piece but the ring had other ideas. The small piece required some careful picking to be removed it was that stuck. Not sure where the crud came from. Keep in mind that this engine has not run in my presence.
The ring photo has been has been enhanced to show the deposit on the ring.
This explains quite a few symptoms:
1) Comments by more knowledgeable club members about compression
2) No kick on compression stroke
3) The wheezing of the engine when propping
4) Weak to no fuel draw
5) And obviously no start
So, the question now becomes, does anybody have a part number to replace this? Or even a make/model number for the cyl/piston assembly?
Thanks.
07-15-2008, 05:28 PM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
3D,
I broke the ring attempting to remove it from the piston.
It would be better to say that the engine arrived new with some kind of residue on the ring, causing the ring to stick, and preventing the engine from running.
I broke the ring attempting to remove it from the piston.
It would be better to say that the engine arrived new with some kind of residue on the ring, causing the ring to stick, and preventing the engine from running.
07-22-2008, 07:53 AM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
Has anyone spoke to Scott lately? I have sent several emails & phone messages with no response from Scott.
I was wanting to change carbs to the new Walbro WT-201B to replace the old style carb that came with #6018 GT366.
Anyone changed from old style carb to new WT-201B, what were the results?
I was wanting to change carbs to the new Walbro WT-201B to replace the old style carb that came with #6018 GT366.
Anyone changed from old style carb to new WT-201B, what were the results?
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
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Has anyone spoke to Scott lately? I have sent several emails & phone messages with no response from Scott.
I was wanting to change carbs to the new Walbro WT-201B to replace the old style carb that came with #6018 GT366.
Anyone changed from old style carb to new WT-201B, what were the results?
Has anyone spoke to Scott lately? I have sent several emails & phone messages with no response from Scott.
I was wanting to change carbs to the new Walbro WT-201B to replace the old style carb that came with #6018 GT366.
Anyone changed from old style carb to new WT-201B, what were the results?
07-23-2008, 10:33 AM
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Has anyone spoke to Scott lately?
Has anyone spoke to Scott lately?
07-23-2008, 01:15 PM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
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I had a ignition go recently, I emailed him, he answered. I think life is just overwhelming him right now, I'm cutting him some slack now, I've been overwhelmed and know what that's like.
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Has anyone spoke to Scott lately?
Has anyone spoke to Scott lately?
God Bless.
07-24-2008, 01:20 PM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
Hey guys I need some help, my engine doesn't want to idle.
I have reset both needle settings back to the stated starting points Scott provides and still no idle (1 3/8 highspeed needle and 1 1/8 low speed needle). When first started it idles fast (2500rpm) after about 20 seconds I will manually blip the throttle and it will come down on RPM (1500rpm). Whenever I throttle back to idle it just keeps slowing down, after about 10 seconds at idle it continues to slow until it's not responsive to any increased throttle input, it just slows until it finally dies. WOT and midrange is pretty good but with a very slight hesitation only third tank of fuel. I have leaned the low end needle to 3/4 out with no change, I have richened it to 1 3/8 same deal, no change. I have leaned and fattened the high speed needle with as I would expect little if any effect on idle. When I pull the plug it's quite wet; this leads me to beleive it's way rich on the bottom end.
I should say the engine was running great until I flammed out and it went in and broke the prop and firewall. An improved battery redundancy setup later I had the engine running great at home, idle, transition and WOT. The crankshaft is fine not bent, timing seams fine at WOT and wouldn't expect it to be bad since it wasn't running when it went in. With the engine back in business and running well, I went to the field and proceeded to tinker for 6 hrs before finally giving up... Related issue? This engine has never liked to restart after it dies on it's own or is shut off via kill switch, it was this way even before going in. I can flip like crazy for 15 minutes and hardly get a pop out of it at any throttle setting. If I leave it for 10-15 minutes with the piston at mid stroke it will start on the first flip.
[sm=confused.gif] I would really like help with:
1) getting the plane to idle so I can fly
2) figure out why it doesn't want to restart when it was just running
- I have changed spark plugs and gapped to .25
- refreshed fuel 3rd gallon (45:1 mix Premuim Fuel) but still get a fare amount of sludge from the exhaust
- Battery is fully charged and regulated to 4.8v via Smart-Fly IngReg
- Prop Xoar 22x8 for break-in, WOT RPM is 6960
- Tempature is at about 220-230 degrees F
- Flying field at about 400 feet above sea level and my house is at about 600. I have never had problems with this in the past
Thanks Brian
I have reset both needle settings back to the stated starting points Scott provides and still no idle (1 3/8 highspeed needle and 1 1/8 low speed needle). When first started it idles fast (2500rpm) after about 20 seconds I will manually blip the throttle and it will come down on RPM (1500rpm). Whenever I throttle back to idle it just keeps slowing down, after about 10 seconds at idle it continues to slow until it's not responsive to any increased throttle input, it just slows until it finally dies. WOT and midrange is pretty good but with a very slight hesitation only third tank of fuel. I have leaned the low end needle to 3/4 out with no change, I have richened it to 1 3/8 same deal, no change. I have leaned and fattened the high speed needle with as I would expect little if any effect on idle. When I pull the plug it's quite wet; this leads me to beleive it's way rich on the bottom end.
I should say the engine was running great until I flammed out and it went in and broke the prop and firewall. An improved battery redundancy setup later I had the engine running great at home, idle, transition and WOT. The crankshaft is fine not bent, timing seams fine at WOT and wouldn't expect it to be bad since it wasn't running when it went in. With the engine back in business and running well, I went to the field and proceeded to tinker for 6 hrs before finally giving up... Related issue? This engine has never liked to restart after it dies on it's own or is shut off via kill switch, it was this way even before going in. I can flip like crazy for 15 minutes and hardly get a pop out of it at any throttle setting. If I leave it for 10-15 minutes with the piston at mid stroke it will start on the first flip.
[sm=confused.gif] I would really like help with:
1) getting the plane to idle so I can fly
2) figure out why it doesn't want to restart when it was just running
- I have changed spark plugs and gapped to .25
- refreshed fuel 3rd gallon (45:1 mix Premuim Fuel) but still get a fare amount of sludge from the exhaust
- Battery is fully charged and regulated to 4.8v via Smart-Fly IngReg
- Prop Xoar 22x8 for break-in, WOT RPM is 6960
- Tempature is at about 220-230 degrees F
- Flying field at about 400 feet above sea level and my house is at about 600. I have never had problems with this in the past
Thanks Brian
07-24-2008, 03:57 PM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
Can I assume you are talking about a 60? Do you have a picture of the carb?
Generally if an idle goes down by itself it's rich. Your L needle is going to end up right around 3/4 (care it gets very touchy and you need to move liek 1/16 of a turn) H needle will be around 1 turn.
For hot starts you don't have to choke it.
Are you getting proper travel on the throttle rod and servo that is not binding at all?
Generally if an idle goes down by itself it's rich. Your L needle is going to end up right around 3/4 (care it gets very touchy and you need to move liek 1/16 of a turn) H needle will be around 1 turn.
For hot starts you don't have to choke it.
Are you getting proper travel on the throttle rod and servo that is not binding at all?
07-24-2008, 05:34 PM
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Thanks Jake,
yes it's the B60 (366gt) The only photo's I have of the carb I posted in Post #1145 of this thread.
Hot starts I never rechoke, I only choke for the first start of the day until it pops then all the way off. Wow 3/4 on low speed and 1 on high I would have thought that was too lean but I'll give it a try. Too bad the carb on this thing isn't positioned a bit better to allow for safer adjustment while running, I'm not about to try and adjust it running. I'll realize these settings are probably from a broken in engine but I'll give it a shot. One of three things will happen it won't run, it runs great or it keeps running like crap right?
As far as proper travel yes no binding and travel is just about right through the transition, half throttle is at 4000 RPM. I'll start fine tuning with throttle curves once I'm in the air again to get the feeling I like.
What do you think the idle RPM should be? I can't recall checking when it was running well before.
Just curious, does 6960 RPM sound OK for a Xoar 22x8 prop with only 3 gallons through?
yes it's the B60 (366gt) The only photo's I have of the carb I posted in Post #1145 of this thread.
Hot starts I never rechoke, I only choke for the first start of the day until it pops then all the way off. Wow 3/4 on low speed and 1 on high I would have thought that was too lean but I'll give it a try. Too bad the carb on this thing isn't positioned a bit better to allow for safer adjustment while running, I'm not about to try and adjust it running. I'll realize these settings are probably from a broken in engine but I'll give it a shot. One of three things will happen it won't run, it runs great or it keeps running like crap right?
As far as proper travel yes no binding and travel is just about right through the transition, half throttle is at 4000 RPM. I'll start fine tuning with throttle curves once I'm in the air again to get the feeling I like.
What do you think the idle RPM should be? I can't recall checking when it was running well before.
Just curious, does 6960 RPM sound OK for a Xoar 22x8 prop with only 3 gallons through?
07-24-2008, 09:06 PM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
OK, new problem.
My low speed needle was bent slightly from the crash, everything seamed fine. Well it just broke off in the carb...
Any ideas where I can get a replacement? I don't even know what Walbro carb these use.
No flying for me tomorrow, damn
My low speed needle was bent slightly from the crash, everything seamed fine. Well it just broke off in the carb...
Any ideas where I can get a replacement? I don't even know what Walbro carb these use.
No flying for me tomorrow, damn
07-24-2008, 09:32 PM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
you can probably take the carb off and go to a small engine shop or chainsaw shop and get a replacement carb or part. just a guess but worth a try.
07-24-2008, 10:52 PM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
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OK, new problem.
My low speed needle was bent slightly from the crash, everything seamed fine. Well it just broke off in the carb...
Any ideas where I can get a replacement? I don't even know what Walbro carb these use.
No flying for me tomorrow, damn
OK, new problem.
My low speed needle was bent slightly from the crash, everything seamed fine. Well it just broke off in the carb...
Any ideas where I can get a replacement? I don't even know what Walbro carb these use.
No flying for me tomorrow, damn
Give Ralph a call he can fix you up with a new carb, 928 635 2455 If you bent the needle you could have done other damage also.
Milton
07-26-2008, 07:44 PM
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Mine is really coming alive with further leaning. I've leaned both the low end and high end at least one full turn since I got it from Scott. I'm turning a Xoar 22x8 at 7200 RPM and I'm pretty sure that's not at the full peak yet. It really pulls my 18 pound Extreme Flight 88.5" Extra quickly in a vertical now. I'm very pleased.
I was just surprised how much leaning it took. I'm at just over 1.5 on both needles.
Jake, I can't believe that it would be ok to go 3/4 on the low and 1 on the high on my engine. Do you think? It's pretty far from where I am and mine is running excellent, maybe a llittle rich on both low and high.
I was just surprised how much leaning it took. I'm at just over 1.5 on both needles.
Jake, I can't believe that it would be ok to go 3/4 on the low and 1 on the high on my engine. Do you think? It's pretty far from where I am and mine is running excellent, maybe a llittle rich on both low and high.
07-27-2008, 11:00 AM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
Anyone try a Menz 23-8 ? I tried a MSC 22-8 and it works good but I think a 23" prop would be better..I have been using a Vess 23A and its okI actually like the MSC 22-8 better..
07-27-2008, 11:28 AM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
Joe: It depends which carb you have.. I have the 76 with black longer needles on it right now.. I don't know about the 201B been awhile since i played with one but I will be switching this week so I will have some better input. If your engine stumbles cold in a quick transition you are about perfect for the low end. High end I am doing a 23x8 Mejlizk at 6950 hot (a few gallons ago) I am about 150 rpm from peak.
Josey: I use a 23x8 Mejzlik.. uplines - hover pull out is slower but it has nice downline breaking. with a 22x8 Mejzlik I liked the vertical and pull out better but the downline braking sucked so I pulled it.
Josey: I use a 23x8 Mejzlik.. uplines - hover pull out is slower but it has nice downline breaking. with a 22x8 Mejzlik I liked the vertical and pull out better but the downline braking sucked so I pulled it.
07-27-2008, 11:38 AM
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Josey: I use a 23x8 Mejzlik.. uplines - hover pull out is slower but it has nice downline breaking. with a 22x8 Mejzlik I liked the vertical and pull out better but the downline braking sucked so I pulled it.
Josey: I use a 23x8 Mejzlik.. uplines - hover pull out is slower but it has nice downline breaking. with a 22x8 Mejzlik I liked the vertical and pull out better but the downline braking sucked so I pulled it.
07-27-2008, 12:37 PM
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Joe what are you turning the MSC 22x8 at? And are you running the B60 stock muffler like me?
Leaning my high needle 1/2 turn made the vertical come alive, it was a completely different engine, sound was way better. It had a healthy bark to it instead of sounding rich and missing at WOT.
Leaning my high needle 1/2 turn made the vertical come alive, it was a completely different engine, sound was way better. It had a healthy bark to it instead of sounding rich and missing at WOT.
07-27-2008, 01:00 PM
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Joe what are you turning the MSC 22x8 at? And are you running the B60 stock muffler like me?
Joe what are you turning the MSC 22x8 at? And are you running the B60 stock muffler like me?
07-27-2008, 02:00 PM
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High end I am doing a 23x8 Mejlizk at 6950 hot (a few gallons ago) I am about 150 rpm from peak.
High end I am doing a 23x8 Mejlizk at 6950 hot (a few gallons ago) I am about 150 rpm from peak.
Jake
Why do you back off of peak rpm? If you come up to peak from the rich side you are a long way from running lean. Max HP is at about 12.7:1 air:fuel, lean is 14:1. I peak my engine then run it there, I've never had it sag on long verticals.
07-27-2008, 02:05 PM
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MSC get good reviews from many people. They're quiet from what I hear. I should try one.
MSC get good reviews from many people. They're quiet from what I hear. I should try one.
07-27-2008, 09:52 PM
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
soarrich, force of habbit really... it's lean enough to avoid problems and rich enough for extended hovering when I need a break from imac stuff 
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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc*
Oh yea forgot to mention my 60 has been sitting for about a year brought it out today and she started right up!! Can't ask for anything more than that!