TF FW190 GIANT ARF
#1651
RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF
ORIGINAL: GO4IT
Im using a DLE55R. Where did you get the electric starter?
Im using a DLE55R. Where did you get the electric starter?
http://www.milehighrc.com/EME_E_Start.html
They also have a specific controller for it you can get, otherwise, you'd run a 30+ amp brushed esc with some form of electric switch. Flyinggiants has a decent thread about this starter.
Now for the kicker.....sdshobby HAS the eme55cc gas motor WITH the electric start system already on it for $315. I ordered one and need to go pick it up at the PO since missed the post man.
#1655
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF
ORIGINAL: Chris Nicastro
Nice yeah thats a neat feature to have and its useful weight instead of dead weight. Post some pics of that install in the FW when you get a chance.
Which engine are you using?
Actually you should start a thread just about that install and a video. Thats a fun project!
ORIGINAL: DrScoles
Chris, I am putting the electric start in this plane and probably my pilot sbach 50cc, I ordered two of them... John Smith had it on his wulf, too cool to watch it start on its own. I think it could be a valuable safety feature if you have a flame-out and need to restart in the air. Since the 190 needs weight in the nose, might as well make it useful!
Chris, I am putting the electric start in this plane and probably my pilot sbach 50cc, I ordered two of them... John Smith had it on his wulf, too cool to watch it start on its own. I think it could be a valuable safety feature if you have a flame-out and need to restart in the air. Since the 190 needs weight in the nose, might as well make it useful!
Which engine are you using?
Actually you should start a thread just about that install and a video. Thats a fun project!
Chris, Your wish is my command.... Didn't take an hour to install, might take an hour to cut out all the lead I glassed into the front of the cowl! EDIT: It just donned on me that I can probably remove those metal plates instead of the lead, anyone know if they have any structural significance?
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11...m.htm#11508371
#1656
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF
ORIGINAL: gibb
Beware of the dle engines and thier crummy mufflers. 6 flights and now broken. Pure Crap.
Beware of the dle engines and thier crummy mufflers. 6 flights and now broken. Pure Crap.
#1659
Thread Starter
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF
ORIGINAL: glazier808
Oh I don't know, I applaud the gentleman for trying to do something different.... I think you're being a little harsh Nate... Double 00 buck really?
Personally have seen a lot worse... German paint schemes can be rather tricky at times and have seen a lot of those botched up pretty bad.
Casey
Oh I don't know, I applaud the gentleman for trying to do something different.... I think you're being a little harsh Nate... Double 00 buck really?
Personally have seen a lot worse... German paint schemes can be rather tricky at times and have seen a lot of those botched up pretty bad.
Casey
#1660
Thread Starter
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF
ORIGINAL: Lifer
Are you referring to the rear, or side-exhaust versions?
Are you referring to the rear, or side-exhaust versions?
#1663
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF
ORIGINAL: DrScoles
Chris, Your wish is my command.... Didn't take an hour to install, might take an hour to cut out all the lead I glassed into the front of the cowl! EDIT: It just donned on me that I can probably remove those metal plates instead of the lead, anyone know if they have any structural significance?
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11...m.htm#11508371
ORIGINAL: Chris Nicastro
Nice yeah thats a neat feature to have and its useful weight instead of dead weight. Post some pics of that install in the FW when you get a chance.
Which engine are you using?
Actually you should start a thread just about that install and a video. Thats a fun project!
ORIGINAL: DrScoles
Chris, I am putting the electric start in this plane and probably my pilot sbach 50cc, I ordered two of them... John Smith had it on his wulf, too cool to watch it start on its own. I think it could be a valuable safety feature if you have a flame-out and need to restart in the air. Since the 190 needs weight in the nose, might as well make it useful!
Chris, I am putting the electric start in this plane and probably my pilot sbach 50cc, I ordered two of them... John Smith had it on his wulf, too cool to watch it start on its own. I think it could be a valuable safety feature if you have a flame-out and need to restart in the air. Since the 190 needs weight in the nose, might as well make it useful!
Which engine are you using?
Actually you should start a thread just about that install and a video. Thats a fun project!
Chris, Your wish is my command.... Didn't take an hour to install, might take an hour to cut out all the lead I glassed into the front of the cowl! EDIT: It just donned on me that I can probably remove those metal plates instead of the lead, anyone know if they have any structural significance?
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11...m.htm#11508371
Sa-weet! Thanks man!
#1664
Senior Member
RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF
Two More Pieces to the Puzzle
I know I've been slow, but I'm still recovering from my 2nd total knee repalcement in the last 6 months.
Money has been scarce too so the purchase of compnents has had to wait.
Well I got out of the rehab facility a couple of weeks back & was able to score a couple of pieces to the puzzle.
1st, my Robart Electric mains.
And last but not least. I scored a nice used FA450R3D for a
reasonable price.
Converting it to CDI while retaining the methanol/nitro glow fuel will up the HP (unlike gas that looses 15% HP)
Just the CDI alone ups the HP output to over 6HP, improved fuel economy by about 25%, reduces the oily mess & makes for a lot better running FA450R3D.
Gone are the glow plug flameouts & the idle as well as starting are vastly improved.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERCMNum7XY[/youtube]
The engine will be torn down to the bottom end for inspection & if the bearings are supect it will get a bearing replacement.
After starting the engine up on the standard OEM 9mm carburetor for power testing on both GI (glow ignition) & CDI I will be doing some modifications to the backplate to eliminate the OEM iduction distribution system.
The backplate will be modified to allow induction through the crankcase. This will do several things.
1) Since fresh fuel/oil mixture will be drawn through the bottom end promoting better oiling of the rods bearings, cams, etc, oil content in the fuel can be reduced dramatically. 10% will be more than adequate & will further reduce mess, fuel consumption & will promote more power output.
2) The more direct induction will eliminate the FA450R3D's tendency to run rich on some cylinders. The rotating assembly will also help keep the F/A mixture atomized.
3) The direct induction into the case with its more even distribution of F/A mixture coupled W/the better over all low end reliability will allow for an increase in carburetor size W/O degrading the user friendliness. The OEM FA450R3D carburetor has a 9mm bore, the same size as the FA120.
I have on hand FA150 (10mm) FA180 (11mm) and the optional "Big Bore" carburetor for the FA220 (12mm)
I fully expect that I will be able to utilize the 12mm BB carburetor. The cross section for the 12mm carburetor will be 113 sq mm compared to the 9mm bore cross section of 63.6 sq mm.
That's a 78% increase in cross section area. That should allow for far greater intake charge density & result in a substantial HP boost.
Switching the FA180 OEM carb (11mm) for the 12mm BBC on a properly ported intake manifold made for a 17% increase in HP on my high compression FA180HC CDI comparing both carburetors on CDI W/15% Cool Power glow fuel. (3.0 HP to 3.5 HP)
Comparing the BBC W/CDI to stock FA180 on GI W/the same 15% nitro fuel there was a 25% increase in HP (2.8 to 3.5 HP) while using 20% LESS fuel.
I would expect the modified FA450R3D to respond likewise to the CDI & improved induction & make somewhere in the neighborhood of 7HP.
That ought to make the Wurger quite able to fly in a scale-like manner under part throttle W/a big slug of reserve HP when I want to play by pushing the throttle to the firewall & yanking back on the stick.
Also of note: The 6# engine coupled W/my relatively light monocote covered airframe & modified electric tailwheel retract that kept tail weight to a minimum, ought to make added ballast minimal. I will place all of the battery packs (ignition/retracts/receiver) on or around the engine box.
I'm just getting able to hobble up to my hanger room.
I installed the mains today & tested them & the modified Robart electric TW retract. The flex in the long pushrod & linkages alowed to much "spring" for the control board to switch off the motor when the TW was extended.
I need to make a stop in the guide shoe for more positive resistance. The TW should operate flawlessly after that minor alteration.
I know I've been slow, but I'm still recovering from my 2nd total knee repalcement in the last 6 months.
Money has been scarce too so the purchase of compnents has had to wait.
Well I got out of the rehab facility a couple of weeks back & was able to score a couple of pieces to the puzzle.
1st, my Robart Electric mains.
And last but not least. I scored a nice used FA450R3D for a
reasonable price.
Converting it to CDI while retaining the methanol/nitro glow fuel will up the HP (unlike gas that looses 15% HP)
Just the CDI alone ups the HP output to over 6HP, improved fuel economy by about 25%, reduces the oily mess & makes for a lot better running FA450R3D.
Gone are the glow plug flameouts & the idle as well as starting are vastly improved.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERCMNum7XY[/youtube]
The engine will be torn down to the bottom end for inspection & if the bearings are supect it will get a bearing replacement.
After starting the engine up on the standard OEM 9mm carburetor for power testing on both GI (glow ignition) & CDI I will be doing some modifications to the backplate to eliminate the OEM iduction distribution system.
The backplate will be modified to allow induction through the crankcase. This will do several things.
1) Since fresh fuel/oil mixture will be drawn through the bottom end promoting better oiling of the rods bearings, cams, etc, oil content in the fuel can be reduced dramatically. 10% will be more than adequate & will further reduce mess, fuel consumption & will promote more power output.
2) The more direct induction will eliminate the FA450R3D's tendency to run rich on some cylinders. The rotating assembly will also help keep the F/A mixture atomized.
3) The direct induction into the case with its more even distribution of F/A mixture coupled W/the better over all low end reliability will allow for an increase in carburetor size W/O degrading the user friendliness. The OEM FA450R3D carburetor has a 9mm bore, the same size as the FA120.
I have on hand FA150 (10mm) FA180 (11mm) and the optional "Big Bore" carburetor for the FA220 (12mm)
I fully expect that I will be able to utilize the 12mm BB carburetor. The cross section for the 12mm carburetor will be 113 sq mm compared to the 9mm bore cross section of 63.6 sq mm.
That's a 78% increase in cross section area. That should allow for far greater intake charge density & result in a substantial HP boost.
Switching the FA180 OEM carb (11mm) for the 12mm BBC on a properly ported intake manifold made for a 17% increase in HP on my high compression FA180HC CDI comparing both carburetors on CDI W/15% Cool Power glow fuel. (3.0 HP to 3.5 HP)
Comparing the BBC W/CDI to stock FA180 on GI W/the same 15% nitro fuel there was a 25% increase in HP (2.8 to 3.5 HP) while using 20% LESS fuel.
I would expect the modified FA450R3D to respond likewise to the CDI & improved induction & make somewhere in the neighborhood of 7HP.
That ought to make the Wurger quite able to fly in a scale-like manner under part throttle W/a big slug of reserve HP when I want to play by pushing the throttle to the firewall & yanking back on the stick.
Also of note: The 6# engine coupled W/my relatively light monocote covered airframe & modified electric tailwheel retract that kept tail weight to a minimum, ought to make added ballast minimal. I will place all of the battery packs (ignition/retracts/receiver) on or around the engine box.
I'm just getting able to hobble up to my hanger room.
I installed the mains today & tested them & the modified Robart electric TW retract. The flex in the long pushrod & linkages alowed to much "spring" for the control board to switch off the motor when the TW was extended.
I need to make a stop in the guide shoe for more positive resistance. The TW should operate flawlessly after that minor alteration.
#1665
Senior Member
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF
I feel your pain Telemaster. I had a doctor that would do both of my knees at the same time. One big ouch for sure....but it is the best thing I have ever did for my body. Pain free walking after twenty years of hurts. I was on a cane before I went in. Just take your pain meds. Now my hips are starting????
OK guys, I flew the 190 and like all the rest she flies solid. I think that thick airfoil makes her a little slower then the Mustang that I am use too.
My flaps drop down a full 2 1/4" and I have a little 1/16 down trim on the elevator and at 1/4 throttle the decent down to runway was solid.
I try to fly short finals. Those long ones seem to get me in trouble.
After reading some posts on here I added more "up" elevator and feel it is needed.
Pulling some "up" for a flare wheel landing I added more power as she slows down in a hurry as I got "that sinking feeling right above the runway".
She is not a slick bird as the Mustang with that big round cowl holding her back.
Turned out good for the one flight only.
DA 50 with Carbon fiber prop 22-10
OK guys, I flew the 190 and like all the rest she flies solid. I think that thick airfoil makes her a little slower then the Mustang that I am use too.
My flaps drop down a full 2 1/4" and I have a little 1/16 down trim on the elevator and at 1/4 throttle the decent down to runway was solid.
I try to fly short finals. Those long ones seem to get me in trouble.
After reading some posts on here I added more "up" elevator and feel it is needed.
Pulling some "up" for a flare wheel landing I added more power as she slows down in a hurry as I got "that sinking feeling right above the runway".
She is not a slick bird as the Mustang with that big round cowl holding her back.
Turned out good for the one flight only.
DA 50 with Carbon fiber prop 22-10
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF
ORIGINAL: SrTelemaster150
Two More Pieces to the Puzzle
Two More Pieces to the Puzzle
What's involved, and what's the cost to convert an ASP FS400AR over to CDI ignition?
Hey - and speedy recovery on the knee-op too, yah?
BJ
#1668
Senior Member
RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF
ORIGINAL: BJ64
Ok... so now you've got me interested.
What's involved, and what's the cost to convert an ASP FS400AR over to CDI ignition?
Hey - and speedy recovery on the knee-op too, yah?
BJ
ORIGINAL: SrTelemaster150
Two More Pieces to the Puzzle
Two More Pieces to the Puzzle
What's involved, and what's the cost to convert an ASP FS400AR over to CDI ignition?
Hey - and speedy recovery on the knee-op too, yah?
BJ
Right now it's all in developement.
You can get the RCEXL 3 cylinder module (same as the factory moduke for the FG84) from C&H as well as a set screw applied magnet ring W/the 4 magnet set-up & hall sensor mount that mounts to the cam housing.
You can contact Adrian @ C&H after he returns from vacation for prices but it shoud be under $300.
If you have ever run CDI on glow fuel you will know that it is well worth the expense if more power, better fuel economy & all around better handling are important to you..
Setting up the system W/the C&H conversion is very easy.
Here is a thread I did on converting an FA91S. The proceedure would be similar for the FA450R3D.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1774802
#1671
RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF
ORIGINAL: Ramstein44
SteveD-RCU, interested in an update to your build[8D] What all extra are you planning to do to her? When I get the electric starting system, I'll be ready to maiden.
SteveD-RCU, interested in an update to your build[8D] What all extra are you planning to do to her? When I get the electric starting system, I'll be ready to maiden.