Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz
12-26-2017, 10:15 AM
Interesting guesses, but not correct yet.
Two guesses get two clues!!
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
Two guesses get two clues!!
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
12-26-2017, 02:44 PM
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Interesting guesses, but not correct yet.
Two guesses get two clues!!
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
Two guesses get two clues!!
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
Answer: B-58
The Convair B-58 Hustler was the first operational jet bomber capable of Mach 2 flight. The aircraft was designed by Convair engineer Robert H. Widmer and developed for the United States Air Force for service in the Strategic Air Command (SAC) during the 1960s. It used a delta wing, which was also employed by Convair fighters such as the F-102, with four General Electric J79 engines in pods under the wing. It carried five nuclear weapons; four on pylons under the wings, and one nuclear weapon and fuel in a combination bomb/fuel pod under the fuselage, rather than in an internal bomb bay.
Replacing the Boeing B-47 Stratojet medium bomber, it was originally intended to fly at high altitudes and supersonic speeds to avoid Soviet fighters. The B-58 was notorious for its sonic boom, which was often heard by the public as it passed overhead in supersonic flight.
The introduction of highly-accurate Soviet surface-to-air missiles forced the B-58 into a low-level-penetration role that severely limited its range and strategic value, and it was never employed to deliver conventional bombs. This resulted in only a brief operational career between 1960 and 1970 when the B-58 was succeeded by the smaller, swing-wing FB-111A.
12-27-2017, 04:24 AM
Sorry, Ernie, but no: The B-58 wasn't a redesign and all B-58s were pressurized.
New clue:
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
New clue:
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
Last edited by JohnnyS; 12-27-2017 at 04:44 AM.
12-28-2017, 04:25 AM
Not the Bear, but INTERESTING guess.
New clue, and for such an interesting guess I will provide two!
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft.
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
New clue, and for such an interesting guess I will provide two!
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft.
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
12-28-2017, 12:12 PM
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C-47 was replaced by the C-54 or so Wikipedia says so 2-4 engine upgrade.
ok last clue says it’s not the C54 back to looking around.
maybe the Connie I guess.
Sparky
ok last clue says it’s not the C54 back to looking around.
maybe the Connie I guess.
Sparky
12-28-2017, 07:59 PM
Awesome guesses, but no correct answers yet.
Two more clues!!
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
9. All but one of these aircraft had Rolls-Royce engines.
10. First flew in 1946
Two more clues!!
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
9. All but one of these aircraft had Rolls-Royce engines.
10. First flew in 1946
12-28-2017, 08:25 PM
Damn, almost sounds like the DeHavilland Comet since it was powered by four Rolls turbine engines and was loud as hell
That said, how about the Avro York? It was powered by four Merlin 24s
That said, how about the Avro York? It was powered by four Merlin 24s
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 12-28-2017 at 08:32 PM.
12-29-2017, 04:20 AM
Not the York, no. But we are getting closer!
New clue:
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
9. All but one of these aircraft had Rolls-Royce engines.
10. First flew in 1946
11. On night landings, stewardesses on this aircraft flying for the airlines had to advise passengers not to be alarmed by 12 foot long flames pouring out the exhausts as the engines were richened up for landing to avoid burning the exhaust valves.
New clue:
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
9. All but one of these aircraft had Rolls-Royce engines.
10. First flew in 1946
11. On night landings, stewardesses on this aircraft flying for the airlines had to advise passengers not to be alarmed by 12 foot long flames pouring out the exhausts as the engines were richened up for landing to avoid burning the exhaust valves.
12-30-2017, 09:31 AM
New day, new clue!
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
9. All but one of these aircraft had Rolls-Royce engines.
10. First flew in 1946
11. On night landings, stewardesses on this aircraft flying for the airlines had to advise passengers not to be alarmed by 12 foot long flames pouring out the exhausts as the engines were richened up for landing to avoid burning the exhaust valves.
12. The Queen (of England) flew in one unique variant of this aircraft that was especially built to be quiet.
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
9. All but one of these aircraft had Rolls-Royce engines.
10. First flew in 1946
11. On night landings, stewardesses on this aircraft flying for the airlines had to advise passengers not to be alarmed by 12 foot long flames pouring out the exhausts as the engines were richened up for landing to avoid burning the exhaust valves.
12. The Queen (of England) flew in one unique variant of this aircraft that was especially built to be quiet.
12-31-2017, 05:12 AM
No guesses? You guys are SO close...
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
9. All but one of these aircraft had Rolls-Royce engines.
10. First flew in 1946
11. On night landings, stewardesses on this aircraft flying for the airlines had to advise passengers not to be alarmed by 12 foot long flames pouring out the exhausts as the engines were richened up for landing to avoid burning the exhaust valves.
12. The Queen (of England) flew in one unique variant of this aircraft that was especially built to be quiet.
13. The engines were Merlins on all but one of these aircraft.
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
9. All but one of these aircraft had Rolls-Royce engines.
10. First flew in 1946
11. On night landings, stewardesses on this aircraft flying for the airlines had to advise passengers not to be alarmed by 12 foot long flames pouring out the exhausts as the engines were richened up for landing to avoid burning the exhaust valves.
12. The Queen (of England) flew in one unique variant of this aircraft that was especially built to be quiet.
13. The engines were Merlins on all but one of these aircraft.
12-31-2017, 05:48 AM
I think we kind of gathered that the engines were Merlins. The only other option would have been Griffons since every other Rolls engine had been pretty much dropped by the beginning of the war. We can pretty much figure the plane the queen flew in was powered by something other than Merlins, as per clue 9. This wouldn't happen to be the Dragon Rapide, would it?
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 12-31-2017 at 05:50 AM.
12-31-2017, 07:04 AM
Not the Dragon Rapide, no.
New clue:
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
9. All but one of these aircraft had Rolls-Royce engines.
10. First flew in 1946
11. On night landings, stewardesses on this aircraft flying for the airlines had to advise passengers not to be alarmed by 12 foot long flames pouring out the exhausts as the engines were richened up for landing to avoid burning the exhaust valves.
12. The Queen (of England) flew in one unique variant of this aircraft that was especially built to be quiet.
13. The engines were Merlins on all but one of these aircraft.
14. The company that built this aircraft is currently part of a larger conglomerate and currently produces water bombers (HUGE clue!!!) and other products as part of that business.
New clue:
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
9. All but one of these aircraft had Rolls-Royce engines.
10. First flew in 1946
11. On night landings, stewardesses on this aircraft flying for the airlines had to advise passengers not to be alarmed by 12 foot long flames pouring out the exhausts as the engines were richened up for landing to avoid burning the exhaust valves.
12. The Queen (of England) flew in one unique variant of this aircraft that was especially built to be quiet.
13. The engines were Merlins on all but one of these aircraft.
14. The company that built this aircraft is currently part of a larger conglomerate and currently produces water bombers (HUGE clue!!!) and other products as part of that business.
01-01-2018, 08:32 AM
I can't believe we're stuck here: You guys are SO close! I've actually run out of my prepared clues for this one.
New clue:
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
9. All but one of these aircraft had Rolls-Royce engines.
10. First flew in 1946
11. On night landings, stewardesses on this aircraft flying for the airlines had to advise passengers not to be alarmed by 12 foot long flames pouring out the exhausts as the engines were richened up for landing to avoid burning the exhaust valves.
12. The Queen (of England) flew in one unique variant of this aircraft that was especially built to be quiet.
13. The engines were Merlins on all but one of these aircraft.
14. The company that built this aircraft is currently part of a larger conglomerate and currently produces water bombers (HUGE clue!!!) and other products as part of that business.
15. A current product of the company that built this aircraft can be seen in episode 4 of series 2 of "The Grand Tour" where it's shown putting out a grass fire and incidentally destroying a Lada Riva that was modified by James May to be an ersatz fire engine.
New clue:
1. It was designed as a major redesign of a very popular aircraft, to use resources that were available and to make a version of the aircraft that was almost 100mph faster than the original.
2. Four engines.
3. Fewer than 100 built.
4. Most, but not all, were pressurized.
5. Renowned for being LOUD. <- important clue!!
6. One military organization and three major airlines operated these aircraft. (None were in the US!)
7. After service with those major airlines, the civilian versions of the aircraft had long careers with secondary operators, including flying cargo.
8. Flew more cargo to Korea for the Korean conflict than the C-54.
9. All but one of these aircraft had Rolls-Royce engines.
10. First flew in 1946
11. On night landings, stewardesses on this aircraft flying for the airlines had to advise passengers not to be alarmed by 12 foot long flames pouring out the exhausts as the engines were richened up for landing to avoid burning the exhaust valves.
12. The Queen (of England) flew in one unique variant of this aircraft that was especially built to be quiet.
13. The engines were Merlins on all but one of these aircraft.
14. The company that built this aircraft is currently part of a larger conglomerate and currently produces water bombers (HUGE clue!!!) and other products as part of that business.
15. A current product of the company that built this aircraft can be seen in episode 4 of series 2 of "The Grand Tour" where it's shown putting out a grass fire and incidentally destroying a Lada Riva that was modified by James May to be an ersatz fire engine.
01-02-2018, 12:05 PM
And the CL-415 was built by Canadair, which was first bought by Electric Boat Works(of PT boat fame) to become part of General Dynamics. When GD bought Convair, Canadair became a subsidiary and was later bought by the Canadian government. The company was sold by the government several years later and is now part of Bombardier.
We now know the plane was built by Canadair and powered by Merlins, except for the "Royal Transport", which used a quieter set of engines.
I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE CANADAIR DC-4M NORTHSTAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We now know the plane was built by Canadair and powered by Merlins, except for the "Royal Transport", which used a quieter set of engines.
I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE CANADAIR DC-4M NORTHSTAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 01-02-2018 at 12:30 PM.
01-02-2018, 01:49 PM
And we have a WINNER! It's the Canadair North Star! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_North_Star
I was really surprised that you guys didn't get this right after someone mentioned the Avro York: The Canadair is mentioned in the same sentence on the Wikipedia page for the Merlin! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Merlin
Please take it away, Hydro Junkie: Well done!!
I was really surprised that you guys didn't get this right after someone mentioned the Avro York: The Canadair is mentioned in the same sentence on the Wikipedia page for the Merlin! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Merlin
Please take it away, Hydro Junkie: Well done!!
01-02-2018, 07:26 PM
The only reason I figured it out was I decided to look up the history of Canadair and it talked about a license built DC-4, which was a four engine plane but with radials rather than Merlins. It's kind of like the B-17 with its four Wright R-1820 radials and the B-38 with it's four Allison 1710 vee engines. The only difference between the the Douglas DC-4 and the Northstar is the engines. This was the same thing with the B-17 and B-38, other than the engines, they were the same plane.
Give me a day or so and I'll come up with something for you all to chew on
Give me a day or so and I'll come up with something for you all to chew on
01-03-2018, 04:28 AM
Actually, that's not quite right: There were a bunch of differences between the North Star and the DC-4. "More than just an engine swap, the North Star had the Douglas DC-6 nose, landing gear and fuselage shortened by 80 in (2 metres), DC-4 empennage, rear fuselage, flaps and wing tips, C-54 middle fuselage sections, wing centre- and outer-wing panels, cabin pressurisation, a standardised cockpit layout and a different electrical system."
01-04-2018, 06:38 AM
Okay guys, time to get you all going.
Looking for an aircraft:
1) This plane was designed with two configurations
2) This plane was NEVER USED for the purpose it was designed
3) Despite clue 2, it still had a very long service life
Good Luck
Looking for an aircraft:
1) This plane was designed with two configurations
2) This plane was NEVER USED for the purpose it was designed
3) Despite clue 2, it still had a very long service life
Good Luck
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 01-04-2018 at 06:49 AM.