rainedave

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...especially mechanical cut-aways. Not that there's anything wrong with CAD drawings, but, is there really any contest?

Raymond LeFlyr

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I agree. Nice drawing. I guess my "skill" with CAD tools is the reason I don't bother with 'em. I still do my "designing" on the same board I stick pins into - or a brown paper grocery bag and a stubby pencil if I want to get really fancy (you'll know what I mean when you see Sheetface). So I can truly appreciate the skill needed to produce somethng like that.

But the reason I take keybard in hand is to mention how much I used to enjoy the cutaway drawings of the full scale planes in the old Air Trails (and maybe others) magazine. Now those really impressed me. Weren't they done by Douglas Rolph (SP)?

combatpigg

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Life is too short for me to take the time to learn CAD, I would end up about 20 planes behind schedule. Haven't seen any evidence that CAD can out perform a #2 pencil and an art gum eraser on butcher paper, not for designing these little planes. Only application I can see would be for kit building, production style.

Hey RAY, it's about time we saw some progress on SHEETFACE, what gives?

jetpack

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That is one awesome drawing...thanks for putting it in large format. I am always on the hunt for phantom views, cut-away artwork, etc...but to see a Babe Bee drawn like that is fantastic. 1/2A artwork is hard to come by, and Cox was one of the biggest on illustrations of its engines. I hope there's more to come.

I added one of my favorites, even though is off of 1/2A topic I thought some might enjoy it.

combatpigg

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There is a new style of art work that looks like an original oil or acrylic painting, all hand done, but the back ground is a little bit too perfect and well detailed to be entirely the artists' own work. what I suspect is that the artist is taking a photograph and mottling the imagery in the backfground with computer assistance, then hand painting a few items in the foreground to give the piece and hand done flavor. They look great and I've seen them with $80 worth of matting and framework go for $85 at local department stores.

rainedave

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combatpigg, I don't even have to see the stuff you're talking about to know exactly what you mean. There are a dozen art terms used to describe the "feel" that an image has that indicates its handcrafted quality. But, my favorite, the one I use the most, is Facture. The word simply refers to that quality of a drawing or painting that expresses the "manufactured by human hands" look that it has (although, more specifically, how it is made). It's basically why I've never even seen a single Pixar movie.

I knew that drawing would be appreciated here. I think there's something about the fine detail of small engines and planes that requires the same sensibilty needed to admire a drawing like that.

Raymond, here are two Douglas Rolfe drawings just for you! I'm so thoughtful, even to people who rib me in some weird Chinese dialect.

Raymond LeFlyr

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CP, Sheetface will indeed be revealed - when the time is right. Being known far and wide as "Mr. Competition" one of my secrets is to not drive off those who think (wrongly of course) that they might have even a ghost of a chance to beat me. Afterall the more people I can humiliate, the better. In this case if I were to even give a hint as to the many advancements and innovations to be incorporated in the mighty Sheetface - well, I expect that, for example, the Georgia boyz would manufacture an excuse to miss the next episode of the Bob 'n Rog intergalactic accumulation of superior Reedie Racers. So for the time being I will just maintain my usual humble posture on this forum.

Dave, I may have spelled Rolfe wrong but thank you for sharing those marvelous drawings of that truly gifted artist. As for using modern tools to produce visual effects such as the V-8 that Jet showed us - hey, you artistically talented guys really blow me away and I just marvel at what you can do no matter how its done.

combatpigg

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Ray, I too believe it is not enough to just win, but to really rub it in, too. This is what you do......get ahead by about 2 laps or so, then show everybody the entire control line stunt pattern routine, right before crossing the finish line .

Silvaire

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Raineday,

Not only is this a very nice drawing of a Cox reed valve from an artistic standpoint, it also clearly shows the functional aspects of this engine too.

The areas that need extra care and inspection when cleaning and reassembling are very well shown.

Perhaps you might consider also posting this picture in the Cox Reed Valve sticky thread?

fritzke

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Cox used the technical/engineering drawings of their engines for ad work quite often.
They are wonderful drawings. There is a guy who was well known for his work depicting
bicycle components too, I'll see if I can find one of those to show you'all.
Dave

rainedave

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A few more...

BMatthews

You're 100% right. Hand drawn stuff has an "air" that CAD just cannot match. My old pencil and vellum drawings have a character to them that I just can't match with CAD. Mostly it's the text I think but along with that there's just a machine like quality that comes across as cold.

ProBroJoe

As usual, I'm a little late to the party on this one, but since CAD is my job, I thought I'd throw this one in here (it's something I did on my, a-hem , free time... ) Not knocking the "old stuff", just giving a little contrast.

I can truly appreciate the talent required to produce those drawings and I can only wish I had a hand like that - it boggles the mind to think of the days before CAD!

Anyway, here's a quick rendering of a T.D. .049, as well as an animation.... enjoy!

[link=http://pws.cablespeed.com/~jbwebst/TD049_Sim.avi]T.D. .049 Sim[/link]

-Joe

Raymond LeFlyr

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Whoa, PBJ, that's kewl! Beats anything I could do with my crayons and brown paper.

mylamo

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I knew it was all over in 1991 when I bought a new
Leroy set with lettering templates and pens at a flea
market. I had paid over 600 dollars for that much
stuff. Paid 12 dollars to the flea.

fritzke

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How do you spell maddening frustration?
L E R O Y
Everyone who does CAD should be forced to try it
so they know how good they have it!
Dave
You can still buy 'em:
http://www.re-print.com/cgi-bin/sgin...&UREQB=7&GEN9=

rainedave

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Joe, that is a beautiful piece of work. I've been making a painful switchover from raster/pixel graphics (Photoshop) to the vector world lately and the power of CAD programs is truly amazing. And I olny realize a fraction of what these programs can do.

I guess I was unconsciously making a false distiction between a functional tool and a purely visual object. Actually, for me, the form is the content. Which is another way of saying aesthetics is really a tool.

ptulmer

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I can't even tell what that Leroy thing is, but at 30%, off maybe I'll get two.[&:]

mclintock

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You don't want to learn about or know any more about Leroy. Having to set up and use the thing was a punishment for being late to work at an engineering place where I used to work.. the horror.. I got out of using it once by volunteering to re-tar the roof in the mississippi summer. I sure was glad to be up on that roof.
Then they got a plotter, so we hid the leroy.

build light

Heh! Four years of Mechanical Drawing for me in high school.
My drawings were certainly passable but my lettering always took a hit. My teacher hounded me on it. Never let up. My focus was the job. I really did try at first but then I realised that if someone really wanted to do some real reading it would not be on one of my drawings. There were other outlets to do that. Also one of the reasons that I was taking the class was because I liked to draw but for the life of me could not do it without my tools! Anything freehanded was a loss.

I never saw one of these Leroy things, Not even heard of it, but it sounds like something my mechanical drawing teacher would have invented just to make my life more tedius...

Robert

vicman

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LOL I never got a leroy tool either I was a big fan of that thing that rode on the X axis and gave nice layout lines for my text tho.
While the old prints are cool there is no chance of hands competing with code in drawing or cutting, sorry to state the facts fellow old guys. PT or DieFlugiester can spit a plan out faster than you old school guys and butcher paper peeps can sharpen your pencils and move your slide rules or tape your paper to the board. They may not be accurate or buildable but they are fast.

ptulmer

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Comparing CAD plans and artwork just ain't right! Vic's right about one thing (and wrong about another!) Cad is fast, easy to make changes to, and always accurate. Not necessarily airworthy, but that's not CAD's fault.[&:] It's worth learning if you want to learn it, but not just for drawing small airplanes.
You pencil and paper guys might appreciate being able to take all your airplanes plans to work in your pocket, though. And you can't claim to be the only ones to do cut-aways! I've been working on that, too!

fritzke

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The iso's on the Jr Skylark plans Gene Rock did were generated
from the 3-D cad model he created, and they are pretty slick!
http://my.pclink.com/~dfritzke/jrskylark.pdf
That's one really, really good reason to do plans in full 3d,
as you can generate a view from any angle you want.
I am just barely capable of 2d profiles and topviews myself!
Dave

vicman

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PT I am right on both counts. I have seen more cad prints than most in my day. However I will refine my statement, some may suffer from a gingo conflict.

ptulmer

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Vic, your right. I should have thought back to my days working as an architectual draftsman. So... my AIRPLANE plans are ALWAYS accurate.