eroc144

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I picked up these plans from Gus Morfis a few weeks back. He's a really nice guy to deal with, sent me the plans promptly, and included a nice letter asking for details, pix, etc. I'll definitely pick up more of his plans in the future.

I've always wanted to build an ME262 and the plans show a wingspan of ~41", wing area of 240 sq in. With all the compound curves the fuse is planked, which will be a first for me. I'm guessing the AUW to be 30 - 35oz.

Here's the idea part - do I build it with 2 engines in the nacelles or with one in the nose? I've never done a 2-engine plane so that would be a nice twist, especially with a pair of .15s. Then again, my OS .25FX would work well in the nose. Decisions, decisions, decisions.

What do you guys think?

EG

combatpigg

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Eroc, I don't think it is a good subject for glow power but perfect for EDF. If you are hell bent to power with glow, a pair of .061s would be more than enough.

eroc144

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Now THERE'S a paradigm shift! I've been described as hell bent (and worse) before, but an electric ducted fan approach is intriguing. The nacelles are 2" diameter max, so I'd need something in the 43 - 46 MM diameter range. I guess I'll have to schlep on over the electric forums for some searching - does anyone have any electric ducted fan links?

If I do go with glow I'll probably go the 2 engine route if for no other reason than it's a major challenge on so many levels - engine tuning, servo links, 1 engine flight, etc. Might be a good plane for a couple of reliable Enya .09s. The plans show that the nacelles are detachable, so I could even consider building one set for EDF and another for glow. Now THAT would be cool.

Any other opinions? Hard to believe Pig's the only one with input!

EG

vicman

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With detatchable nacelles you could do that "tune the engine in the hand" thing they got going in the other thread LOL.

I'm with Chuck, I think you would enjoy the model a whole lot more going EDF. It will be kind of expensive getting all the stuff up front but will cut down on fustration when flight time comes.
One of the biggest things I have come to understand about EDF vs regular electric is that EDF really needs 4S to do well and that translates to considerably more expensive batteries and a charger capable of handling 4S.

It'll be really cool though

Cross Check

Hi EG,

I believe the Gus Morfis Me262 was designed for RCCA 2105 Scale Combat. 1/12th scale +/- 5%.

Up to .21 single engines but twin .15s were allowed.

Years ago one of the London guys up here scratch built a 44in. span Me262 with a pair of O.S.CVA.15s.

It was a bit heavy with coro/foam consruction, went like snot, but didn't turn too well. (Snapped at high Gs...) Landed fast too.

Got mabee 4-5 flights with it until the dreaded engine out happened...

Never did get to fly it in a Combat Match...

If I'm not mistaken, the pair of CVAs/tanks were allot heavier than a single O.S.FX.25.

There ain't much wing area on a 262 and the tip chord is pretty narrow.

It is a challenge though.

Hope this helps.

Good luck.

Take care,
Have fun,
Dave'crosscheck'Fallowfield
Maac 6437
Unabashed Combat Team

Javier-RCU

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Hi,

The Morfis 262 have a nice appeal with props [8D]. EDF setup for this dimensions is heavy, very costly and underpowered. For 44" you should go with foam, something like GWS, but not the balsa built up Morfis.

Actually i am working in a ME262 in 52" wingspan powered by two piped OS 32SX. with retracts.



Javier

vertical grimmace

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I do not mean to undermine your build but there are couple of great kits out there for this plane in EDF. HET RC makes a great one which is almost an ARF. Also check out K and A models. he has a great pre-primed fiberglass kit and he has these cool little retracts that will fit as well. I am all about building but if it were me (and it's not) I would get one of the offerings from these companies. There is a great deal of info out there and good threads on the Electric web site RC groups.

vertical grimmace

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Oh..... and about the original post, I use solid core doors and then put Homosote on top. Great for accepting the pins. I have used this for over 20 years and works great. Just make sure everything is flat.

Trisquire

The low cost, low maintenance approach would be to put your OS .25 in the nose. Not very pretty, but easy and functional.

Tom

combatpigg

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Javier, awesome looking plane!
I like your quote too, it does my heart good every time I hear that electric sucks!!

Javier-RCU

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Hi Combat,

What about your motto? "Minister of propaganda", ever make me laugh!

combatpigg

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Javier, I got caught telling the truth once and they kicked me out of the ministry .
We all know by now that electric power is superior to glow 95% of the time, but it sounds good whenever I hear that glow is still better for some things.........
....in a crowd of people, I can always pick out the "electric guys".

Do you ever hear Led Zeppelin in Columbia?

eroc144

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Geez. You stop checking a thread for a few weeks and look what happens...

Javier - The engines in the picture don't look like .32s with pipes - Is the picture a Morfis 262? How does it fly? How'd you do the 2 engine setup? C'mon man, details! I'd love to see detailed pix of your 52" ME262.

VIC sent me a great article about EDF setup, details, flight, & etc and it's turned me sharply towards glow for this plane. The main finding for me is that EDF and jets in general are less hand-launch friendly and a lot of guys end up building bungee launchers. I take enough grief at my field about my 1/2a stuff; I don't need a bungee cord attracting even more attention.

I'm still leaning towards 2 engines for the coolness and degree of difficulty factors. I've got a pair of Enya .09s and a pair of OS .15LAs that would both likely do well on this one.

EG

Javier-RCU

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Led Zeppelin? Of course! I was addicted to this band, specially in my college years in the eighties...what a time.

Javier-RCU

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Hi Eroc,

By the way this is not mine. Is a Morfis with Norvells .74s and 4oz tanks in the nacelles a lot of nitro here. Good flyer even in one engine, as you know the reliability in twins is a must and you should to use little props at high rpm´s because the adverse yaw effect on engine outs is little. Take a tach and set the needles, the critic task is the hand launch.

In the shots is my ME262 build in 1:7 scale that i planning for two propped 46VX-DF´s. My 52" is in paper by now, i will let you see of course.

Javier

RocketRob

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Ok go ahead and put your little engines in this model in this size and we can take a few trips around the circuit.... Then we can perform some power dives exceeding VNE and see who has the guts to reveal our speeds to Herr Kommandant Pigg - rumors abound about 262 test pilots exceeding Mach 1 but not telling their superiors for fear of being grounded from the plane.

A few observations with this plane.

Increase the horiz stab and rudder - under high power low airspeed climb outs the below wing thrust line creates a pitching up moment and requires a dellicate dance between throttle and down stick and yields a hairy, slow, partial power climb out - gosh just like the originals[8D] I understand this is the only time a Mustang could hope to get one durring the takeoff roll and climbout.

If you are going to configure for pusher props, better get some kevlar gloves for launching - or fly gear exclusivily

Very few planes capture the awe, pride and horror of a 262 on a low straffing run down the flightline.

This one is by K & A Models

My color is in honor of Maj. Walter Nowotny

Unit: Kommando Nowotny
Serial: 8 (W.Nr.110400)
Pilot - Maj. Walter Nowotny, commander of Kommando Nowotny. Achmer, Westfalen, Germany, On 8th November 1944.

One of the highest scoring German aces (an Austrian, actually) almost ended his flying career very early.

Flying a Bf 109 in July 19, 1941, he had shot down three Polikarpov I-153 biplanes (his first three kills), when he went down too. He ditched his Messerchmitt in the Gulf of Riga and clambered into his one-man survival raft. With no food or drink, he paddled southwards, towards land that he estimated to be about 40 miles away. A couple German fighters flew overhead, but didn't notice his Mauser pistol shots. Sunburn set in, waves splashed into his dinghy, and he became exausted from his paddling.

On his second night adrift, two Soviet destroyers passed close by, but didn't notice him either. He was somewhat heartened by the evidently-German artillery fire directed at the Russian warships. But by the second day, he became nearly suicidal, and even began writing a "farewell message." He fell asleep, and when he awoke on the third day, the currents had brought him close to shore. He paddled towards it, landed, and collapsed on the sandy beach. He awoke in a bed; two Latvian auxiliaries (collaborators?) had rescued him.

For many months, JG 54 remained at Krasnogvardeisk, as the northern front settled into a stalemate around besieged Leningrad.

Messerschmitt Bf 109
Nowotny achieved over 50 victories in this airplanes, from July 1941 through early 1943. He was appointed Staffelkapitän of 1./JG 54 on 25 October 1942.
Focke Wulf 190
In January and February of 1943, JG 54 transitioned to the Fw 190, a rugged aircraft that Nowotny and many othe experten would fly with great success. In August, Nowotny added 49 victories to his score and was promoted to Gruppenkommandeur of 1./JG 54. Heady stuff for a 22-year-old. But he hadn't yet been awarded the "Oak Leaves," and showed distinct signs of "throat-ache;" despite the fact that he had passed the 120-victory threshhold - no "Oak Leaves."
But he continued to excel in the air. On September 1, 1943 he downed ten Russian aircraft. On a morning bomber escort mission, he destroyed four attacking Soviet fighters. He noticed another group, and promptly got two of those. As the dogfight carried him 180 km over Russian lines, he closed in on a seventh victim, only to have his cannon jam. he closed in ever closer and finished it off with his machine guns. He made good his return by flying on the deck, right thru the flak thrown up from a large town. That afternoon, on another sortie, he got three more during an in-and-out duel in the clouds.

A few days later, he received his long-awaited Oak Leaves. "The Swords" followed three weeks later, awarded to him at a ceremony at Hitler's headquarters.

....One Me-262 had been shot down, and Nowotny reported an engine failure before making a garbled transmission referring to “burning�. Galland watched Nowi's approach, heard the sound of a jet engine, and saw his Me 262 A-1a (W.Nr. 110 400) “White 8� dive vertically out of the clouds and crash at Epe, 2.5 kilometres east of Hesepe. The explosions rocked the air, and only a column of black smoke rose from behind the trees. The wreckage was Nowotny's plane. After sifting through it, the only salvageable things found were his left hand and pieces of his Diamonds decoration.

The unit was disbanded shortly after Nowotny's death. It had claimed 22 aircraft with a loss of 26 Me 262s, eight of which were due to accidents and mechanical failures.

Javier-RCU

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Nowotny was a hero. Too young too brave, thanks for share his history.

Trisquire

Is there any info available on Johannes Steinhoff's Me 262?

Tom

Javier-RCU

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A little...

Trisquire

Thanks. As I understand it, the crash happened because one of the wheels sank into soft pavement on the runway. It was a repaired bomb crater. Uncle Hans lifted it off, but the plane was behind the power curve, with the inevitable stall.

I enjoyed talking about flying with my uncle, but we never discussed the crash; at least not that one.

Tom Steinhoff

eroc144

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RocketRob - That's a VERY nice looking ME262, and I see you're part of the bungee launcher club! What are your dimensions and EDF data? Is that your F-16 too?

EG

wolfman76

wow has been quite awhile since anyone has posted on this thread huh and for me also... my question is does anyone know where i can get a set of plans for building a 80" me262 powered by 2 80mm edf 2 80mm e-flite delta 32v to be exact and would you recommend the skin to be glassed over foam or all balsa ply construction or balsa framing then glass over that any help would be greatly appreciated i guess i am going with a wwII theme seeing as i already have a 65.5" redtail p-51 thanks kyle great planes by the way!!!