I lov my DA-85 that was my 1st DA after having many other brands of gas motors. 3w, brison, zdz, rcs. I have never had a dle but do plan to get that 20 for a some of the stuff that i have glow right now. I am not wrapping up into the brand and could care less what ever one runs. if a plane is in the air and the flyer is jamming and the motor is tune correctly all is well for me to watch and the flyer to enjoy himself. So lets not turn this thread into i spent this or that.....