Thanks for the links to the dare site. they have some beautiful kits. I love the Curtiss Robin. I know I should go with a proven setup. But I cant find an old time design thats not humongous. A flying aces Moth type plane or the zephyr would be perfect. Does anyone do RC electric with these old designs? and on a 30 inch or less span? I have seen the cubs and their cute, But half the fun....actually most of it for me is in the build time. Still gonna build that convertable I think, But I have room for more. Gosh i want to build them all,it seems like. I wish I had the time .