NO wind for a change and 65 degrees, clear skys most of the day. Just perfect!!! Stuff happens, that's why I posted in the beginners forum. Happens to us all at some point, maybe not mid airs but we all loose a plane now and then. This one hurt a bit and it was brand new. The other fellow just finished finally getting his Show Time ARF all figured out and in great flying trim so it wasn't a one sided loss. It hurts no mater what you are flying. I'm already thinking of the next build. Not going to be another pattern plane, maybe another Sukhoi 29 plans build with a nice Brison 40 cc gas engine??? I have all the after market parts for that one??