ORIGINAL: summerwind
ORIGINAL: Tired Old Man
Let's say this one more time. DLE engines DO NOT COME WITH CM-6 PLUGS. They come with a copied derivative of a CM-6 plug. Copy, not original design, counterfiet, got it now? For the record, that pretty much desribes the origin of every engine coming out of China. Copy, counterfiet, not original design. Some manage to make some alterations in improvement but most are content to copy and market an engine design belonging to another and sell it at a lower price, often with much lower quality components. Don't argue that, there's an over abundance of historical information and data to support the position.
They are providing this plug because it costs them MUCH less than an NGK CM-6 would, and because they can. If everyone stopped buying a DLE engine unless it came with a real NGK plug they would have an NGK plug very quickly. That's one of the things Jody does, btw. He sends tham out with NGK at his expense to better satisfy the customer. If you think the Chinese will accept product liability without it first being a multi billion dollar case with international exposure, think again.
What's fair, at least from their perspective, is that Americans have become a throwaway society so nothing needs to last very long. The dumb Americans will buy anything if it's cheap enough, and is reasonably attractive. The dumb American will complain a lot when something works incorrectly but they will just eventually buy another one since they don't want to spend the money for a good one. All we (Chinese) have to do is buy one of the good ones to make thousands of the not so good ones. The dumb Americans will buy anything. If we get caught doing something wrong we'll just close up shop and open again next week with a new name.
So what's fair from the American perspective is that you become aware of a little engine history and make judgement calls based upon facts, performance, and quality.
For the record, DLE is the best Chinese engine manufacturer in the business. DLE makes great engines while all the rest of the current Chinese manufacturers only market cheap engines.
so when a newbie sees this,
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXYND9&P=ML
and sees the replacement plug listed on Hobbicos (who is suppose to be the distributor) page here, and this is funny, they call it NGK CM6 with the part number in perenthesis which is on towers site
http://www.dle-engines.com/dleg0031.html
you are basically saying that a newbie needs to doubt the seller (other than VallyviewRC whom we all trust) and look further into the engine and all it's related topics before using the DLE?
That's exactly what I'm saying.But not really applicable to DLE as to other Chinese engine manufacturers
that's a bunk statement and you know it.
No, It's not. It's absolutely true
when a newbie buys something these days, they are sure as heck not going to build a kit, maybe an ARF or two and then go for the super 3D model they saw on youtube, or maybe another flyer at the field.
Actually, many of them do exactly that.
all they know is that they can buy this that or the other. now if they go out and buy the 3D Arf, and power it with the DLE and the plug fails and they crash, they are going to be pretty mad
(yes, they certainly will, if they can figure out why the engine quit) and that's why we see the complaint here. they learn of RCU through searches of why their brand new DLE took a crap. many things posted here show up on yahoo search.
i also don't know how you were raised as a kid, but i have never been taught that anything in this hobby is disposable. throwaways as you refer to with Americans are bic lighters, Dodge Neons, etc.
I was evidently raised like you and believe one should buy things that last, even if they cost a little more. Those items also hold their value for much, much longer. DLE is the only Chinese engine manufacturer that makes a good product. Proven fact, so the plug thing isn't a big issue in the greater scope of things. DLE is less expensive because of the difference in cost with Chinese materials and labor, not due to lower quality.
so what i want to know is why if there is so much information regarding the so-called CM6 plug that DLE ships with their engines is known to crap out, is the USA distributor not removing them from the box, or at least inserting a note to the buyer to check the forums for what issues they may encounter if using the stock plug?
Answer, money. They can make more on the engine with the DLE plug than they would with a true NGK. That's my opinion anyway.
to me this is no different than sending a rocket up into space when there is a known defect with an O-ring................someone has to be held liable.
Agreed, but the Space Shuttle blew up in spite of that feeling. Nobody went to jail for that one either. Accountability is dependant on access. Hard to lean on someone 6,000 miles away. The plug isn't a big enough deal to bother with. Buy another one.
the newbie should not have to suffer the loss of his new plane due to someone thinking that USA is a thowaway country and it's just their tough luck for not having doubted the sellers product.
E Caveat Emptor in all things these days. The buyer is responsible for their own education. Failing to acquire that education places the buyer at the mercy of the seller.